gohorse
Oct 12 2009, 03:57 PM
Colts are on bye this next week then Gonzo due to come back? Is he worth a spot on the roster?
KingSciarrillo
Oct 12 2009, 03:58 PM
he's worth the add
Code of Hammurabi
Oct 12 2009, 03:59 PM
You may be on to something. I may do the same a take a flier..
QUOTE (gohorse @ Oct 12 2009, 04:57 PM)

Colts are on bye this next week then Gonzo due to come back? Is he worth a spot on the roster?
EnderWiggins
Oct 12 2009, 04:00 PM
QUOTE (gohorse @ Oct 12 2009, 04:57 PM)

Colts are on bye this next week then Gonzo due to come back? Is he worth a spot on the roster?
It's tough to say; Collie and Frenchy have been playing pretty well in his absence, so I'm not sure if there will be a single person opposite Wayne or they might go to a 3 man rotation for the two spots...
ponchsox
Oct 12 2009, 04:01 PM
Most definitely pick him up. Gonzo may need a game or two to get back into the offense but the way Peyton and the Colts offense is performing he should help your team in the second half.
webster slaughter
Oct 12 2009, 05:29 PM
I don't see how they drop Collie for him now. Maybe he splits time with Garcon, and Collie in the slot, but then how much production will that yield for all 3? Plus the RBs are getting a ton of receptions, too. He's worth stashing if you've got the spot though.
Romonized
Oct 12 2009, 05:32 PM
is he definitely back after the bye?
ciderjack6
Oct 12 2009, 05:34 PM
I don't see how Gonzo becomes a full fledged #2 with the emergence for Collie and Garcon. Gonzo gets 6 targets a game now while Collie and Garcon basically go to bench? I doubt it.
Patrick Bateman
Oct 12 2009, 05:39 PM
QUOTE (ciderjack6 @ Oct 12 2009, 05:34 PM)

I don't see how Gonzo becomes a full fledged #2 with the emergence for Collie and Garcon. Gonzo gets 6 targets a game now while Collie and Garcon basically go to bench? I doubt it.
Dallas Clark has been the #2 option in the passing game for two years now.....I never understood all the Gonzo love, just too many mouths to feed and Peyton doesn't care about your fantasy team....
Ed_Jones
Oct 12 2009, 05:42 PM
I agree with picking him up if you can. If you like me are almost done with the bye weeks then I would say picking up one of Manning's best WR's would be a good move. No guarantees though, like others have pointed out the young guys have played exceptionally well and we have no real idea how Gonzo will be used when he gets back. Best case he comes in and assumes the entire #2 WR role, worst case he comes in and rotates with the young guys getting 2-3 targets per game.
Risky but worth it IMO.
ciderjack6
Oct 12 2009, 05:43 PM
QUOTE (Patrick Bateman @ Oct 12 2009, 06:39 PM)

Dallas Clark has been the #2 option in the passing game for two years now.....I never understood all the Gonzo love, just too many mouths to feed and Peyton doesn't care about your fantasy team....
Yea I meant #2 WR, #3 option.
Still with Peyton at the helm 6 targets a game could mean a 70 catch pace. Not anymore though with Collie and Garcon established as legit threats.
SuperJoint
Oct 12 2009, 05:50 PM
There's also the aspect that Gonzo has done little to establish himself as a worthy #2 WR - not that it's his fault, since this was going to be his first opportunity to do so.
It's just his luck that Collie and Garcon are now doing what he was supposedly going to do himself at the beginning of the year. It's not as though this is Marvin Harrison who's been laid up for 6 weeks and then is immediately expected to resume his role upon his return.
The #2 WR on the Colts is a position in complete flux and Gonzo's now quite behind the curve.
Kobe_No_Means_No
Oct 12 2009, 07:01 PM
Definitely pick him up if he's available. Reasons to do so:
1. The Colts used a first round pick on him. He's expected to take over Marvin.
2. This off season Peyton said he can complete passes to Gonzo with his eyes closed.
3. Collie was interviewed last night after his 2 TD performance. The "mentors" he thanked: Manning, Clark, Wayne... and yup, Gonzo. Pretty much the 4 receivers you should be starting after Gonzo returns.
4. After their week 6 bye, this is the Colts' schedule: Rams, 49ers, Texans, Pats, Ravens, Texans, Titans... That's a feast for Peyton Manning.
ponchsox
Oct 12 2009, 07:07 PM
Gonzo will have a better chance in the red zone when Wayne is blanketed
fatboyj711
Oct 12 2009, 07:22 PM
QUOTE (Kobe_No_Means_No @ Oct 12 2009, 08:01 PM)

Definitely pick him up if he's available. Reasons to do so:
1. The Colts used a first round pick on him. He's expected to take over Marvin.
2. This off season Peyton said he can complete passes to Gonzo with his eyes closed.
3. Collie was interviewed last night after his 2 TD performance. The "mentors" he thanked: Manning, Clark, Wayne... and yup, Gonzo. Pretty much the 4 receivers you should be starting after Gonzo returns.
4. After their week 6 bye, this is the Colts' schedule: Rams, 49ers, Texans, Pats, Ravens, Texans, Titans... That's a feast for Peyton Manning.
agreed...
i
f/when gonzo is healthy (there hasn't been much knews about him lately), i imagine that he'll have the opportunity to win his starting spot back... at the very least, he's going to cause a log jam for all the IND receivers not named wayne...
Alfonz289
Oct 12 2009, 10:20 PM
I Don't get all the negative Gonzo talk. Like someone previously stated, he was molded to take over for Marvin when he left. Now, all of a sudden, he's a rotational receiver? Where is this coming from? No way he does not reclaim the #2 spot. Also, consider that he's been in the offense for 3 years (I think it's 3 now?) He knows the plays much better than Garcon or Collie. He's been mentored by 2 of the better WR's of today in Wayne and Marvin. Throw in Peyton's crazy "in the zone" start to the season and I see a solid WR2 going forward with upside to be a low end WR1 (especially based on some of the easy matchups someone pointed out ahead on the Colts schedule). Enough Gonzalez bashing, give him 2 weeks or so to get back into "game shape" and enjoy.
EnderWiggins
Oct 12 2009, 10:26 PM
QUOTE (Alfonz289 @ Oct 12 2009, 11:20 PM)

I Don't get all the negative Gonzo talk. Like someone previously stated, he was molded to take over for Marvin when he left. Now, all of a sudden, he's a rotational receiver? Where is this coming from? No way he does not reclaim the #2 spot. Also, consider that he's been in the offense for 3 years (I think it's 3 now?) He knows the plays much better than Garcon or Collie. He's been mentored by 2 of the better WR's of today in Wayne and Marvin. Throw in Peyton's crazy "in the zone" start to the season and I see a solid WR2 going forward with upside to be a low end WR1 (especially based on some of the easy matchups someone pointed out ahead on the Colts schedule). Enough Gonzalez bashing, give him 2 weeks or so to get back into "game shape" and enjoy.
Lots of people thought he was overrated coming into the season, he had never really proved himself yet. He was not even a WR1 coming into the season in fantasy, now he's coming back from injury, to a crowded WR corp and you think his stock is
up?
Alfonz289
Oct 12 2009, 10:39 PM
QUOTE (EnderWiggins @ Oct 12 2009, 11:26 PM)

Lots of people thought he was overrated coming into the season, he had never really proved himself yet. He was not even a WR1 coming into the season in fantasy, now he's coming back from injury, to a crowded WR corp and you think his stock is up?
I definitley think his stock is up. Way up actually, considering how everyone seems to be so low on him. As much negative stuff I see everyone posting on here it appears he could be had for the likes of Torry Holt or maybe even a Josh Morgan. I drafted him in 7th round of my draft and many of the other guys said that could be the steal of the draft. I've held onto him this whole time and fully expect 70+ yards a game on a pretty regular basis once he gets back into "game shape". One other factor why Gonzo's stock is way up.......his quarterback is Peyton Manning.
Patrick Bateman
Oct 12 2009, 10:46 PM
QUOTE (Alfonz289 @ Oct 12 2009, 10:20 PM)

I Don't get all the negative Gonzo talk. Like someone previously stated, he was molded to take over for Marvin when he left. Now, all of a sudden, he's a rotational receiver? Where is this coming from? No way he does not reclaim the #2 spot. Also, consider that he's been in the offense for 3 years (I think it's 3 now?) He knows the plays much better than Garcon or Collie. He's been mentored by 2 of the better WR's of today in Wayne and Marvin. Throw in Peyton's crazy "in the zone" start to the season and I see a solid WR2 going forward with upside to be a low end WR1 (especially based on some of the easy matchups someone pointed out ahead on the Colts schedule). Enough Gonzalez bashing, give him 2 weeks or so to get back into "game shape" and enjoy.
Well, he's a possession receiver so most will think his upside is by definition limited. Secondly, he was tutored to take over Marvin's position not to replace Marvin and his production (top end), that transition has already happened with R. Wayne taking over WR1 the past few years. Also when it was Harrison that was dominant and Reggie Wayne as the 2nd, the Colts never had a dominant TE like Dallas Clark. So Gonzo was coming into the season as the #2 WR but the 3rd option in the passing game. What WR2 is an every week play in an offense with a dominant TE? Falcons? SD? Dallas? Maybe Houston, but I think Walter is more of a matchup play.
Now Garcon has gotten some snaps and earned some playing time because of his playmaking ability. I think Gonzo will have no problems getting back into the starting lineup, but will there be enough targets for him to be more than a WR 3/4? He certainly has never proven that he can put up that type of production (never had the opportunity either) so questions will persist. I will say that I would be very surprised if he was able to produce fantasy WR2 numbers and shocked if he were able to produce fantasy WR1 numbers this year w/o an injury to Wayne or Clark, but you never know. I think he'll have his moments and probably a really good game or two, but I wonder if he'll have too many quiet games to trust as an every week starter......Time will tell....
!!!
Oct 12 2009, 11:04 PM
QUOTE (ciderjack6 @ Oct 12 2009, 06:43 PM)

Yea I meant #2 WR, #3 option.
Still with Peyton at the helm 6 targets a game could mean a 70 catch pace. Not anymore though with Collie and Garcon established as legit threats.
I agree, if he gets open Peyton will place the ball right where it needs to be. If he's healthy enough to contribute then I see a WR2 here, he's paid his dues for the team, Garcon and Collie have not. The only problem is that I've heard from a bunch of sources that a PCL injury is notoriously hard to recover form, he may not have the same athleticism right off the bat, worth a flier 4 sure just due to the Peyton factor.
fatboyj711
Oct 12 2009, 11:54 PM
QUOTE (EnderWiggins @ Oct 12 2009, 11:26 PM)

Lots of people thought he was overrated coming into the season, he had never really proved himself yet. He was not even a WR1 coming into the season in fantasy, now he's coming back from injury, to a crowded WR corp and you think his stock is up?
his stock can't go anywhere but up... i'd venture to guess that he's on the WW in most leagues...
Patrick Bateman
Oct 12 2009, 11:57 PM
QUOTE (fatboyj711 @ Oct 12 2009, 11:54 PM)

his stock can't go anywhere but up... i'd venture to guess that he's on the WW in most leagues...
He definitely deserves to be owned, but I would temper expectations a bit......Good upside add particularly in a PPR format....
mrt
Oct 13 2009, 01:51 AM
is AG even practicing? can't play if you don't practice.
kingrah
Oct 13 2009, 09:35 AM
I am wondering the same thing!! Original reports have him @ missing 8 weeks, but people are speculating his return after the bye week....ANYONE have any news on him @ all???
EnderWiggins
Oct 13 2009, 10:01 AM
QUOTE (fatboyj711 @ Oct 13 2009, 12:54 AM)

his stock can't go anywhere but up... i'd venture to guess that he's on the WW in most leagues...
I meant his stock was up from preseason
Preseason he was looking like Mid WR2
Now he's looking like Low WR3
He was suggesting he should be borderline WR1
I was saying I do not see how his stock should be any higher than Preseason stock at this point...
lavaman
Oct 13 2009, 11:14 AM
Gonzo will be back in 2 weeks...
Collie and Garcon's receptions will take a hit. You guys do the math.
Pooskay
Oct 13 2009, 11:50 AM
it's pretty simple....garcon will take the hit when gonzo comes back.....collie's in the slot, so he shouldn't be affected as much.
fatboyj711
Oct 13 2009, 12:43 PM
QUOTE (Pooskay @ Oct 13 2009, 12:50 PM)

it's pretty simple....garcon will take the hit when gonzo comes back.....collie's in the slot, so he shouldn't be affected as much.
this seems like the most probable scenario, but collie will still be affected... if gonzo's healthy enough to take back the starting job, it's almost certain that he's going to see more targets than garcon (taking targets away from collie and clark)...
Romonized
Oct 13 2009, 01:04 PM
I think Collie and Garcon have done a nice job filling in for AG but don't think either has done such a phenomenal job that they take the starting job from AG.
!!!
Oct 13 2009, 01:35 PM
I honestly think that any WR could do a good job in replacement on that team, Peyton has that ball on a rope, he's the best QB in the NFL. I'm only worried about the health of AG's knee, if it holds up and he can create separation then he will put up WR2 numbers, Peyton is too good and can find these guys anywhere.
fatboyj711
Oct 13 2009, 01:37 PM
QUOTE (!!! @ Oct 13 2009, 02:35 PM)

I honestly think that any WR, who has complete knowledge of IND's complicated offense, could do a good job in replacement on that team, Peyton has that ball on a rope, he's the best QB in the NFL. I'm only worried about the health of AG's knee, if it holds up and he can create separation then he will put up numbers, WR2 numbers, Peyton is too good and can find these guys anywhere.
fixed...
Z06vette
Oct 13 2009, 02:35 PM
Colts president Bill Polian revealed that Anthony Gonzalez (knee) is not healthy enough to practice during the team's Week 6 bye.
Polian also said CB Kelvin Hayden (hamstring) is "probably closest" to returning among all the Colts' injured players. He was noncommittal when asked if Gonzalez could immediately resume an every-down receiver role in Week 7. "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it," Polian said. "In my experience, there will be some roadblocks before we get to that bridge."
Source: colts.com
Patrick Bateman
Oct 13 2009, 02:53 PM
QUOTE (Z06vette @ Oct 13 2009, 02:35 PM)

Colts president Bill Polian revealed that Anthony Gonzalez (knee) is not healthy enough to practice during the team's Week 6 bye.
Polian also said CB Kelvin Hayden (hamstring) is "probably closest" to returning among all the Colts' injured players.
He was noncommittal when asked if Gonzalez could immediately resume an every-down receiver role in Week 7. "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it," Polian said. "In my experience, there will be some roadblocks before we get to that bridge."
Source: colts.com We probably got ahead of ourselves. If he can't get back until say week 8 or 9 and then has to work himself back into shape and into the lineup, how valuable can this guy be??? Interesting set of circumstances. If Garcon and Collie continue to do well, then Gonzo
could be (before everyone jumps to his defense) a fantasy afterthought this year....
dsmoke1986
Oct 13 2009, 03:03 PM
I don't think AG is going to come back this season at all...From Polian's perspective, why would you risk career threatening injury if Collie and Garcon are just as productive?
sott3
Oct 13 2009, 03:10 PM
QUOTE (Z06vette @ Oct 13 2009, 03:35 PM)

Colts president Bill Polian revealed that Anthony Gonzalez (knee) is not healthy enough to practice during the team's Week 6 bye.
Polian also said CB Kelvin Hayden (hamstring) is "probably closest" to returning among all the Colts' injured players. He was noncommittal when asked if Gonzalez could immediately resume an every-down receiver role in Week 7. "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it," Polian said. "In my experience, there will be some roadblocks before we get to that bridge."
Source: colts.com Kinda troubling to hear. We were all assuming Gonzo would be back for Week 7 but it's true that no one on the Colts ever gave that date. With byes coming up, it's gonna be harder to keep Gonzo on the bench. But I'll be kicking myself if he's providing WR2 value by week 9.
ragincajun
Oct 13 2009, 03:14 PM
Rotoworld took a few liberties with that write-up. If you click on the
Colts.com link, you'll see that instead of being asked "if Gonzalez could immediately resume an every-down receiver role in Week 7," the actual exchange was:
Q: There are a lot of good questions to have once some of these guys get healthy – where does WR-Anthony Gonzalez play when he returns? And what role does S-Bob Sanders play?
A: We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. In my experience, there will be some roadblocks before we get to that bridge.
Also, Polian did not "reveal that Anthony Gonzalez (knee) is not healthy enough to practice during the team's Week 6 bye." The actual exchange was:
Q: How do you approach the bye week? Do you practice injured players or let them heal?
A: It depends upon the player's individual situation. If a player would normally be held out of practice because of an injury, the bye week won't make any difference along those lines. If they're going to be out we'll hold them out.
Gonzo probably won't practice. Bob (Sanders) probably will continue on the regimen he has been on. Kelvin is probably ready to do go and Marlin is not. That will be that.
I know this all in all isn't great news for Gonzo's owners, but couldn't he conceivably be held out of practice during the bye week, but then return to practice in the stretch heading into Week 7?
Romonized
Oct 13 2009, 03:34 PM
After reading that...I would bet on him not playing week 7. "we'll cross that bridge when we get there" doesn't sound promising.
Run
Oct 13 2009, 09:03 PM
The only people who are negative about Gonzo coming back are the Collie and Garcon owners who are worried about the production loss.
Manning loves AGon. Sure, Garcon and Collie have filled in nicely, but neither of them are Anthony Gonzalez. Manning and AGon have two years of Chemistry. When he comes back, he's going to be the #2, period.
EnderWiggins
Oct 13 2009, 09:45 PM
QUOTE (Run @ Oct 13 2009, 10:03 PM)

The only people who are negative about Gonzo coming back are the Collie and Garcon owners who are worried about the production loss.
Manning loves AGon. Sure, Garcon and Collie have filled in nicely, but neither of them are Anthony Gonzalez. Manning and AGon have two years of Chemistry. When he comes back, he's going to be the #2, period.
...says an AGone owner lol

I own none of the 3, I just think they have played well enough and leg injuries are always nagging for WR, so they will rotate throughout the year. I said AGone would get back the #2 spot, but I think the other two will get some reps as well and we get the dreaded rotation

(see: NYGints opposite The New Steve Smith)
rye
Oct 13 2009, 09:57 PM
This reminds me of the Marvin injury. Lots of shaky info and the Colts winning without him. I bet we see them play it annoyingly cautious with him.
Kobe_No_Means_No
Oct 13 2009, 10:58 PM
As long as they let him stand in the WR2 spot then it's fine. It doesn't matter how good or healthy he is. A Colt's #2 receiver is always worth a start, even with the 50 year old Marvin Harrison last season. Gonzo could be hopping on one leg and he'll still get passes thrown his way. The only question now is whether he comes back on week 7 or week 10.
EnderWiggins
Oct 13 2009, 11:19 PM
QUOTE (Kobe_No_Means_No @ Oct 13 2009, 11:58 PM)

As long as they let him stand in the WR2 spot then it's fine. It doesn't matter how good or healthy he is. A Colt's #2 receiver is always worth a start, even with the 50 year old Marvin Harrison last season. Gonzo could be hopping on one leg and he'll still get passes thrown his way. The only question now is whether he comes back on week 7 or week 10.
He of the 60-600-5 stat line? Yuh, I dropped him last year in a 12 team league.
Patrick Bateman
Oct 13 2009, 11:23 PM
QUOTE (Kobe_No_Means_No @ Oct 13 2009, 10:58 PM)

As long as they let him stand in the WR2 spot then it's fine. It doesn't matter how good or healthy he is. A Colt's #2 receiver is always worth a start, even with the 50 year old Marvin Harrison last season. Gonzo could be hopping on one leg and he'll still get passes thrown his way. The only question now is whether he comes back on week 7 or week 10.
Only if you play 5 WRs....Harrison was worthless in standard leagues last year...A WW bye week plug in and was owned only for his large and esteemed resume'...
Kobe_No_Means_No
Oct 13 2009, 11:31 PM
ok... nevermind. lol
ondy2112
Oct 14 2009, 07:23 PM
"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
So what's the latest word on the street regarding when the Colts and Peyton when they come out of the bye? Most people around boards are saying that Garcon heads to the bench and Collie is in the slot in 3 WR's sets. Or am I getting ahead of myself and Anthony G. might not be ready quite yet? I guess at this point I'm leaning towards Collie a bit simply because he's the hotter hand and could get me more in PPR.
One thing that might be interesting to know is that in the very short time in week 1 before Gonzales got hurt, were there any 3WR sets and how did they all line up? This offense is so powerful I want my hands on the #3 if there is a clear guy between the two. Or neither Collie or Garcon and maybe Gonzales starts off as hot as his ADP would merit.... very interesting scenario here.
Panthor
Oct 15 2009, 01:52 PM
QUOTE (ondy2112 @ Oct 14 2009, 08:23 PM)

"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
So what's the latest word on the street regarding when the Colts and Peyton when they come out of the bye? Most people around boards are saying that Garcon heads to the bench and Collie is in the slot in 3 WR's sets. Or am I getting ahead of myself and Anthony G. might not be ready quite yet? I guess at this point I'm leaning towards Collie a bit simply because he's the hotter hand and could get me more in PPR.
One thing that might be interesting to know is that in the very short time in week 1 before Gonzales got hurt, were there any 3WR sets and how did they all line up? This offense is so powerful I want my hands on the #3 if there is a clear guy between the two. Or neither Collie or Garcon and maybe Gonzales starts off as hot as his ADP would merit.... very interesting scenario here.
Gonzo hasn't even been back on the field yet, it's a bit early to predict when he will be back
lavaman
Oct 15 2009, 04:00 PM
QUOTE (Panthor @ Oct 15 2009, 12:52 PM)

Gonzo hasn't even been back on the field yet, it's a bit early to predict when he will be back
Last I hear, he's 'ahead of schedule' whatever that means. If I were to guess, I'd say he will be back in 2 more weeks. 3 at the latest.
rotoking07
Oct 15 2009, 04:45 PM
There's still a good chance he's back in some form next week. No point in having practice during a bye week. They probably took most of the second half of the week off.
KyTitansFan01
Oct 21 2009, 09:34 AM
QUOTE (rotoking07 @ Oct 15 2009, 05:45 PM)

There's still a good chance he's back in some form next week. No point in having practice during a bye week. They probably took most of the second half of the week off.
Any word on if he's practicing this week?
Pooskay
Oct 21 2009, 10:37 AM
i'd definitely pick him up....he might be fantasy gold come playoff time...barring any setbacks, you have to figure he will be in good shape come playoff time (weeks 14-16)
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