How do you see his potential for the season? Is he an immediate fantasy start? Or will something have to happen to Jacobs before we can trust him to put up big numbers consistently on his own?

I imagine he will be pretty inconsistent for the rest of the season, much like he has been so far. I have him in a couple of leagues and barring an injury to Jacobs, he will probably never see my starting line up.

I think he will put up a steady 10 points per week now with the occasional breakout against weaker opponents.

A perfect flex play every week. If Jacobs goes down, he becomes a RB2 and low RB1

If Jacobs goes down he becomes a top 3 back imo.

Bradshaw + NYG O-Line + Eli's redzone inefficiency sans Burress = Fantasy Gold

Jacobs seems to running to avoid injury this year, so his expected down time may not come. He just doesn't look as aggressive to me. And Bradshaw isn't exactly the picture of health himself

yeah i don't see him putting up big numbers but he will have some breakout games and if jacobs goes down then u gotta play him

I grabbed this guy as my last pick (12th round) for the following reason:
1) He's talented
2) I've owned Jacobs before and know an injury is coming
3) He's on a team with a great defense
4) He's on a team that "runs first"

Right now I wouldn't want to start him as an RB2 but if Jacobs were to miss time I'd play him as an RB1 in the right match-up.

that's a bit of a stretch considering the top of the RB list consists of AP, MJD, Forte. i'd say top 10, if he got a starting job, but he would still have show he can carry the load full time. it is easy to look good when you have someone else softening up the defense for you before you take a snap, remember LaMont Jordan running behind Curtis Martin? or even Felix Jones running behind Marion Barber. and let's not forget Derrick Ward behind Brandon Jacobs. not everyone is a Michael Turner, who is even not able to keep up the pace he was on last year

jacobs getting hurt would be a double-edged sword for bradshaw owners...

on 1 hand, he would obviously pick up the slack and see a dramatic increase in workload... but on the other hand, he's been getting banged up himself in limited action each week... i have a hard time believing that he'd stay healthy as the primary RB...

in reality, i see ware getting worked into games now that he's healthy, much like bradshaw was last season, to preserve both jacobs and bradshaw...

(KFFL) The Star-Ledger's Mike Garafolo reports New York Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw (ankle, foot) was diagnosed with a cracked fifth metatarsal in the outside of his foot. He will need to undergo surgery if the bone breaks all the way.

Ahmad Bradshaw's visit with an orthopedic specialist revealed a cracked fifth metatarsal on the outside of his foot, but he's expected to play through the injury.

Bradshaw is taking a risk because he'll need surgery if it breaks all the way. As it is now, he'll still need surgery in the offseason. Dr. Robert Anderson agreed with the Giants' plan to rest during the week and play on Sundays, so Bradshaw will continue to share carries with Brandon Jacobs.

The above has me worried. I'm debating trading him while he still has some value.

Well, hopefully this means more carries for Jacobs...ugh.

My impression is this injury is not new. I bet you he will still be huge and have great potential which will come with a risk of further injury. I have him, am a doctor, and am a NYG fan and would by no means trade him since I think he has more upside than anyone I trade him for at this point with "Rotoworld news".

Agree with "the doctor" on one aspect - nothing new here. I'm definitely looking to trade him - but again - nothing new with that either.

Not to burst anyone's bubble but who would trade for a timeshare rb whose season could end on any particular cutback or tackle? The news should be out by now, good luck finding someone to give you any type of value for him.

Nobody I'm afraid. I've been shopping him heavily for the last few weeks and have now reigned in my efforts. Can't even sell him to the Jacobs owner anymore.

So Danny ware is a good add, no?

Thank you, Voice O'freason, MD.
Indeed.
I'd love to get value for him. Pipe dream. Use him til he drops, hope he doesn't. Expect a lot of 11 touches games.
Yip-ee.

Like previous posters said, if your league is full of rotonerds like us and you have Bradshaw you're screwed. But most leagues have at least one sucker, no? Find him quickly!

P.S. if you can't find him, it's probably you

bradshaw still has some value, just packaged him with desean jackson for SJAX.

Did the guy know about the broken bone in Ahmad's foot?

yup, we talked about it. the fact that he's been playing with the injury didn't deter him from making the deal.

Bradshaw seems to be a candidate for a second half decline b/c his carries and YPC have decreased the past few games as his injured foot seems to be taking a toll on his production. Also, his bruising backfield captain Brandon Jacobs seems to be back in gear and hogging more of the workload. So are the last few games just an exception to the rule or a trend?

Bradshaw just vultured another TD from Jacobs this past weekend. I don't see a huge decline.

Absolutely decline. He's one misstep from missing the rest of the season.

If he messes up his foot further, then yeah definite decline. I think he'll be able to play through it. Haven't some of his best games come since he started donning the boot?

i'm starting him this week w/AP on a bye. worried, but i think he'll be alright

He doesn't look any slower in the games, still looks quicker than Jacobs, but he's not getting as many touches because the Giants are playing better opponents and falling behind. I think he still has great potential in good matchups, unless of course his injury gets worse.

Nothing's changed since ~ week 5 or so - other than everyone knowing about it. I don't value AB any differently now than before I heard about his foot. It definitely hurts his trade value - OK - like the Giants I'll just continue to use him then.

Just traded him and Dustin Keller for Dwayne Bowe. 14 team PPR league. I think I got the better of the deal, but since people were hypothesizing about his trade value, here's one data point.

But we also NOW know that his touches in any one game aren't likely to exceed 13. Up to that time we didn't know such a limit existed and there was value to his upside on the possibility of more touches, a bigger slice of the offensive pie.

So, SJ, as far as his value as a rosteree we can accept that it hasn't changed all that much, although we now have a pretty good idea what his ceiling is. As a trade commodity, his upside is shot.

Yep - I know - if you own him, you're basically stuck with him - unless you use him as a throw-in, which actually de-values him.

Like I said - all good by me - he's been a key contributor to my team. I'll hold onto him and continue to use him.

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But we also NOW know that his touches in any one game aren't likely to exceed 13.

Wondering where you come up with this number?

Didn't Bradshaw (or someone) say that he played with this last year as well?

Where did I come up with 13 touches? Pretty reasonable estimation:
Factor 1- Maximize his contribution and keep him from getting injured by minimizing his touches.
Factor 2- Look at his touches per game for this season. Project accordingly.

Not sure what having the issue last season has to do with anything (and Bradshaw has indeed said it is an "old" fracture that never healed properly), other than if that is the case I'd say given his career payout is on the line it's odd that they chose not to take ANY sort of corrective measure to deal with it and it will now require postseason surgery no matter how his season turns out.
Anyway, last season Derek Ward was in the fold. Ahmad Bradshaw had all of 72 touches as a member of the offensive unit. Fold in another 45 touches through his KR (39)/PR(6) duties. That brings him up to 117 touches for the entire 2008 season. He played in 15 games. That comes to less than 8 touches per game.

So, 11-13 touches is an increase, and this on a foot that needs post-season surgical repair. I think it's a reasonable expectation that he won't exceed his current load.
What projection have you for his touches and why?

imho, projecting 13 touches/gm as his ceiling is pretty generous considering he's only had 13 or more touches 1 time this season... unless his foot miraculously heals itself, there's no evidence that would indicate that his touches will trend upwards barring an injury to jacobs (which would likely result in only a slightly higher ceiling)...

And I wasn't suggesting such a figure, Fatboy.
I was suggesting that his CEILING in any given game was (11 to) 13 touches. Meaning that you're lucky to get 11 and kidding yourself if hoping for anything over 13.
Was not establishing a mean, median or average of 13 touches.

So, 11-13 touches is an increase, and this on a foot that needs post-season surgical repair. I think it's a reasonable expectation that he won't exceed his current load.
What projection have you for his touches and why?
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actually I would agree with your expectation, i was wondering if you had heard from a source that this was his "absolute" ceiling . Others on this group I see selling him short, due to the injury. If this is indeed an old injury, he should not be limited in any way. If Jacobs is unproductive or injured midway through a game, I see no reason why Bradshaw won't get 15-20 touches if he is effective.

13 carries is the high game yet he's 14th in the league in rushing yards.

Haven't crunched the numbers but I'm betting he's a top 5 RB in fantasy points per touch.

I would love to trade him but there's no value, so I'll keep him and run him the two plus matchups he has left.

Unfortunately the Giants do not get to play TB or Oakland again. 218 of his 476 Rushing Yards came in games against those two clubs, DR. And those were the only two games in which he scored more than 10 points in my league.

I'm keeping him too. What else can I do? But I'd rather have had the option to trade him as more than a bundle component.

EDIT: BTW, FTR he had 14 carries vs. TB.

yeah, my post was directed more towards the poster who questioned your original projection...

in addition, i mispoke when i wrote 13 touches/gm... it should read 13 touches...

Or anyone else besides San Diego this week than can be considered a plus matchup going forward. Carolina week 16 but the Panthers run D is improving.

I just put him on the block for a TE, not expecting any real offers. I should have traded him for Vernon Davis 3 weeks ago before he busted out against HOU. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Did anyone draft this guy as a starter in less than a 16-team league and in those as more than a flex? His value is what it was on draft day, a speculative add/handcuff to an injury-prone starter. His trade value has taken a hit, but really, what was his trade ceiling? Vernon Davis 3 weeks ago? Yeah, I would have taken that knowing how things turned out for Davis, but certainly wouldn't have 3 weeks ago. His true ceiling will come if Jacobs gets hurt. Then you sell. If you were counting on Bradshaw to really help your team, that was a miscalculation. If you were hoping that Bradshaw would help your team, that ship is still sailing.

Right on dude - exactly

Rye-
Whether one drafts a complementary or co-back with notions of fulfilling a starting role at some point during the season is beside the point. As a FLEX option can you say Bradshaw is really as reliable/valuable as he was the day you drafted or acquired him?

#2 RBs assert themselves all the time. While I make a habit of collecting emerging #2's during the season my girlfriend uses my notes pre-draft and drafts Darren Sproles, LeSean McCoy and, yes, Leon Washington when others are drafting Houshmanzadeh and Patrick Crayton. As you know RBs tend to get guaranteed touches making them less subject to the whims or competence of their QB on a week-to-week basis. An RB 2 that rises above the others is FLEX gold and a solid trading commodity.

We might not have many RW members who drafted Bradshaw as a #1, but we may have a few who ended up with an assortment of LDT, Portis, Slaton, Westbrook, Willie Parker- you get the idea. Now, we can argue what Bradshaw's potential might have been had he stayed healthy (an average of 15 touches a game seems reasonable to me) but we can't really argue with the fact that if he was healthy, such RB strapped owners might be in the market for a little help at the position and therefore willing to part with more valuable commodities than they would now.

You delineate between "hope" and "dependence" ("counting on"). But there is a gray area at play here that applies more than either. After all, I didn't draft or acquire Cadillac or Jerome Harrison to carry me to an FFL championship. But I did acquire them to fill specific roles on a specific week and almost each time I called on them they paid off, including Harrison's one outstanding effort. So, certainly I "hoped" that Bradshaw would prove more valuable than his team's #1 Brandon Jacobs in a PPR (like Bush has been in NO depending on your league scoring in year's past) whether or not the Big Man got injured. But more so I "counted on" him be an integral part of my championship team, a reliable contributor, one who I could insert into my line-up playing the matchup with confidence. That confidence is gone. It is gone for me as an owner and exposed as gone for any prospective trading partner paying attention, which thankfully my leaguemates do (otherwise victory would be anticlimactic).

Ahmad Bradshaw's value and outlook has decidedly been altered by the news of his injury.

The giants.com depth chart lists Bradshaw as the #1 kick returner. Isn't it still Hixon?

Your girlfriend uses your notes in her draft? She must have a PHD to understand them. I have a BA in philosophy from UCLA (State School) and I sometimes have to refer to my old text books to understand your post. I mean this as a compliment, you are to smart for the rest of us...I seriously have to use logic formulas to access the validity of your arguments (all dogs are mammals, all mammals have hair, therefore all dogs have hair) lets see if I replace dogs with Bradshaws predraft value with his current value given the amount of touches he would get if healthy, then your leaguemates with mammals therefore amhad bradshaws value is decidedly altered by the news of his injury. Sounds valid to me, but I may go back to school just so I can stick it to you next year.

I laughed out loud.

well bradshaw got a season high in touches but did little with the opportunity. Disappointing considering I had him going at flex. The Giants line doesn't seem to be close to what it was last year.

What is going on with this guy. He has a full week off and he is still missing Wednesday practice?

I have been hearing that Danny Ware is going to be taking over for him on 3rd downs. I also heard somewhere that Bradshaw has a huge upside going forward. Does this guy deserve a spot on anyones roster or is Danny Ware worth a pick up?

Bradshaw's been on my bench all year as a handcuff to Jacobs; it's been a frustrating year managing these two, that's for sure.

Being a Ray Rice owner and seeing McGahee being waived yesterday in my league, I put in a claim for him and dropped Bradshaw, thinking that handcuffing Rice was more important. Given Bradshaw's condition, Ware's apparent increased workload, and the fact that I could plug Tim Hightower into the lineup if Jacobs got hurt, I didn't see the need to keep AB anymore.