EsTiLO
Oct 16 2009, 12:03 PM
Is he really that much better than Nate Robinson? They both put up almost the same stats, the difference is that you can get 1 in the 10th round...
Eric looks like he's being hyped up too much this season..
Code of Hammurabi
Oct 16 2009, 12:37 PM
Gordon much better primed for growth this season. Also gordon is more efficient from the field and has a more positive impact on ft% due to volume.
QUOTE (EsTiLO @ Oct 16 2009, 01:03 PM)

Is he really that much better than Nate Robinson? They both put up almost the same stats, the difference is that you can get 1 in the 10th round...
Eric looks like he's being hyped up too much this season..
Max Rockatansky
Oct 16 2009, 01:22 PM
QUOTE (EsTiLO @ Oct 16 2009, 12:03 PM)

Is he really that much better than Nate Robinson?
are you kidding me ?
i hope you're talking only about "fantasy"
markdash
Oct 16 2009, 01:25 PM
QUOTE (EsTiLO @ Oct 16 2009, 10:03 AM)

Is he really that much better than Nate Robinson? They both put up almost the same stats, the difference is that you can get 1 in the 10th round...
Eric looks like he's being hyped up too much this season..
And what league is this? Nate Robinson went with the 1st pick of the 7th round in the Invitational roto draft, and I believe that pick sniped several other owners who had their sights set on him.
Eric Gordon went only 5 picks prior to Nate Robinson, which was probably a tad late for him, but still.
Thats Ridiculous
Oct 16 2009, 01:50 PM
QUOTE (Code of Hammurabi @ Oct 16 2009, 10:37 AM)

Gordon much better primed for growth this season. Also gordon is more efficient from the field and has a more positive impact on ft% due to volume.
i'm still shocked that you passed on him in our draft. you had a clear opportunity to pick him, and you punked out.
surprised half the room.
Code of Hammurabi
Oct 16 2009, 01:59 PM
Had to address my center position with Bynum. Bynum is going to blow up this year. Just you watch!
uri_76
Oct 16 2009, 02:00 PM
guarantee after this season, gordon will be a standard to go in the 3-4 round range. how is he overrated? he finished last year ranked 48 in standard 9 cat leagues. you think hes gonna finish worse this season and wont warrant his 7th round ADP? really? plus fat zack is gone.
Code of Hammurabi
Oct 16 2009, 02:02 PM
Couldnt agree more.
QUOTE (uri_76 @ Oct 16 2009, 03:00 PM)

guarantee after this season, gordon will be a standard to go in the 3-4 round range. how is he overrated? he finished last year ranked 48 in standard 9 cat leagues. you think hes gonna finish worse this season and wont warrant his 7th round ADP? really? plus fat zack is gone.
Thats Ridiculous
Oct 16 2009, 02:03 PM
QUOTE (Code of Hammurabi @ Oct 16 2009, 11:59 AM)

Had to address my center position with Bynum. Bynum is going to blow up this year. Just you watch!
i'll trade you Kaman for Bynum.
i'd love to have Laker on my team.
EsTiLO
Oct 16 2009, 02:03 PM
QUOTE (uri_76 @ Oct 16 2009, 03:00 PM)

guarantee after this season, gordon will be a standard to go in the 3-4 round range. how is he overrated? he finished last year ranked 48 in standard 9 cat leagues. you think hes gonna finish worse this season and wont warrant his 7th round ADP? really? plus fat zack is gone.
I'm saying the team looks pretty stacked this season.
Baron , Griffin, Kaman , thornton are all going to be begging for the ball . I just don't see Eric making this drastic jump .
Thats Ridiculous
Oct 16 2009, 02:06 PM
QUOTE (EsTiLO @ Oct 16 2009, 12:03 PM)

I'm saying the team looks pretty stacked this season.
Baron , Griffin, Kaman , thornton are all going to be begging for the ball . I just don't see Eric making this drastic jump .
actually that's a legit point, imo.
and i think that's why E.G. fell kinda far in our draft.
as did OJ Mayo, similar situation.
Denbo32
Oct 16 2009, 02:07 PM
Gordon doesn't need to make a big jump.
markdash
Oct 16 2009, 02:42 PM
QUOTE (Denbo32 @ Oct 16 2009, 12:07 PM)

Gordon doesn't need to make a big jump.
You stole my thunder!
Gordon was ranked 45th in 9-cat over the last 3 months of the season (post ASB). If he stays exactly the same this year, he'll be worth at least a 5th round pick.
Max Rockatansky
Oct 16 2009, 02:43 PM
QUOTE (EsTiLO @ Oct 16 2009, 03:03 PM)

I'm saying the team looks pretty stacked this season.
Baron , Griffin, Kaman , thornton are all going to be begging for the ball . I just don't see Eric making this drastic jump .
1st) no more "mr.20 shots" Zach Randolph
2nd) Griffin is a rookie and for Thornton......we don't even know if he's goin to start
Denbo32
Oct 16 2009, 02:46 PM
I'm no Eric gordon fan, but even I know that him going in the 6th round is fair value.
I'm just a bitter Knicks fan that screamed when we took Gallo, maybe in 4 years that pick won't seem so bad.... but I wanted Gordon....
MNDOGG
Oct 17 2009, 02:02 PM
Actually, i think Gordon will lead the team in scoring.. who else will? Baron? He is on the wrong side of 30 and i dont see him being the go to scorer this year..Camby? No.. Kaman? No..Griffin? No way.. Thornton or Butler? No and No..telling you its Gordon..he will average around 18-20 a game this year and probably even be the focal point of this offense..
Thats Ridiculous
Oct 17 2009, 02:42 PM
QUOTE (MNDOGG @ Oct 17 2009, 12:02 PM)

Actually, i think Gordon will lead the team in scoring.. who else will? Baron? He is on the wrong side of 30 and i dont see him being the go to scorer this year..Camby? No.. Kaman? No..Griffin? No way.. Thornton or Butler? No and No..telling you its Gordon..he will average around 18-20 a game this year and probably even be the focal point of this offense..
Gordon probably will lead the Clippers in scoring. Especially if Baron goes down with an injury. And that's a strong possiblity.
so, yeah, Gordon's a good sleeper pick, in a way.
but i also do expect Griffin and Kaman to carry the scoring load as well.
MNDOGG
Oct 17 2009, 02:50 PM
QUOTE (Thats Ridiculous @ Oct 17 2009, 12:42 PM)

Gordon probably will lead the Clippers in scoring. Especially if Baron goes down with an injury. And that's a strong possiblity.
so, yeah, Gordon's a good sleeper pick, in a way.
but i also do expect Griffin and Kaman to carry the scoring load as well.
Hes an absolute steal in rd 6 or beyond.. yeah i think peopel are kind of sleeping on him this year..i think he is almost guranteed to return top 50 value this year and i have been seeing him drafted and ranked in the 60s and 70s..
Code of Hammurabi
Oct 26 2009, 08:24 PM
Im thrilled to own him in my big money league. I see a line like this for the season,
19ppg-3rpg-3apg-45%fgs-40% three%-2.0 3ptm-85% fts (on 6 attempts)-1 steal-.4 blocks-2.0 tos.
Thats gotta be top 50 production or right on the borderline. I secured his services in the late 6th and couldnt be more excited.
Kobe_No_Means_No
Oct 26 2009, 08:53 PM
I got him in the 7th round as well... I think it's a pretty good pick. He will get plenty of playing time to excel. Don't forget the kid even averages 0.5 blocks a game.
Code of Hammurabi
Oct 26 2009, 08:56 PM
Those .5 blocks from the sg position are huge! Gordon also has very few tos for a player that is likely to flirt with 20ppg. I think many gms will regret letting him slip though the cracks this season...
QUOTE (Kobe_No_Means_No @ Oct 26 2009, 09:53 PM)

I got him in the 7th round as well... I think it's a pretty good pick. He will get plenty of playing time to excel. Don't forget the kid even averages 0.5 blocks a game.
Denbo32
Oct 26 2009, 11:47 PM
I took Gordon in my draft today. I passed on Terry to take gordon and it hurt, but i wanted the gamble.
fantasybbguru
Oct 26 2009, 11:58 PM
QUOTE (Denbo32 @ Oct 27 2009, 04:47 AM)

I took Gordon in my draft today. I passed on Terry to take gordon and it hurt, but i wanted the gamble.
I took him instead of salmons and ty. thomas. Big mistake?
Kobe_No_Means_No
Oct 27 2009, 12:07 AM
I took him ahead of Tyrus Thomas. I think Gordon will do very well this season.
tazdingo
Oct 27 2009, 12:14 AM
Would you guys play him tomorrow against the Lakers? Going up against Kobe and Artest could be a huge downer on his stats but when I checked his games the Rockets and Lakers last year, he did a pretty good job...
markdash
Oct 27 2009, 12:24 AM
Don't play splits with a guy like Eric Gordon.
Hell, you really shouldn't play splits in the NBA at all, unless you're starting a marginal guy against the Warriors.
jsp2014
Oct 27 2009, 12:32 AM
add me to the eric gordon mancrush list. i also took him over Jet and Salmons. he's pure upside with minimal downside in my mind.
tazdingo
Oct 27 2009, 12:37 AM
QUOTE (markdash @ Oct 27 2009, 01:24 PM)

Don't play splits with a guy like Eric Gordon.
Hell, you really shouldn't play splits in the NBA at all, unless you're starting a marginal guy against the Warriors.
I'm just worried about running out of slots at the end of the year... That was the major factor why I lost one league two years ago...
That said, I'll take your word for it... Gordon goes all the way...
jsp2014
Oct 27 2009, 12:38 AM
QUOTE (tazdingo @ Oct 27 2009, 01:37 AM)

I'm just worried about running out of slots at the end of the year... That was the major factor why I lost one league two years ago...
That said, I'll take your word for it... Gordon goes all the way...
if your league is 10-team then it's understandable. otherwise i agree he's an everyday play.
markdash
Oct 27 2009, 12:40 AM
QUOTE (tazdingo @ Oct 26 2009, 10:37 PM)

I'm just worried about running out of slots at the end of the year... That was the major factor why I lost one league two years ago...
That said, I'll take your word for it... Gordon goes all the way...
How is this an issue? Play your best lineup almost every game, and spot start your bench guys a few times versus favorable matchups to get a few games ahead, then put it on cruise control.
tazdingo
Oct 27 2009, 12:49 AM
QUOTE (markdash @ Oct 27 2009, 01:40 PM)

How is this an issue? Play your best lineup almost every game, and spot start your bench guys a few times versus favorable matchups to get a few games ahead, then put it on cruise control.
I will be honest with you guys: I'm not exactly as sold as you guys when it comes to Gordon's value but I'm trying to buy in into what you guys see in him... His numbers don't seem that sexy but I'm willing to give him a shot in playing him for every game because of the hype everyone here seems to surround him with

...
markdash
Oct 27 2009, 12:51 AM
QUOTE (tazdingo @ Oct 26 2009, 10:49 PM)

I will be honest with you guys: I'm not exactly as sold as you guys when it comes to Gordon's value but I'm trying to buy in into what you guys see in him... His numbers don't seem that sexy but I'm willing to give him a shot in playing him for every game because of the hype everyone here seems to surround him with

...
What's not to like? He was a top-50 player over the last few months of last season. Even if he just continues that production he will be well worth the draft pick you used on him.
tazdingo
Oct 27 2009, 01:00 AM
QUOTE (markdash @ Oct 27 2009, 01:51 PM)

What's not to like? He was a top-50 player over the last few months of last season. Even if he just continues that production he will be well worth the draft pick you used on him.
Yea, thats true... I did snag him in the 8th round so I'm really pleased when you mentioned he delivered top-50 value towards the end of last year... I guess I see him too much of a Kevin Martin/Michael Redd type of player which is something that doesn't really appeal to me but I'm gonna try to bank on him as a healthier version of the other two (which could pay dividends)...
Well, here's to him having a good night against the Lakers... Thanks for the feedback guys...
Thats Ridiculous
Oct 27 2009, 01:24 AM
with Blake Griffin out for six weeks, Eric Gordon's stock actually went up.
one strategy might be to hold onto Eric Gordon during these 6 weeks, then as Blake gets closer to playing, trade Gordon at his highest value. because i think once Griffin comes back, Gordon won't be getting as many shot attempts.
tazdingo
Oct 27 2009, 02:48 AM
QUOTE (Thats Ridiculous @ Oct 27 2009, 02:24 PM)

with Blake Griffin out for six weeks, Eric Gordon's stock actually went up.
one strategy might be to hold onto Eric Gordon during these 6 weeks, then as Blake gets closer to playing, trade Gordon at his highest value. because i think once Griffin comes back, Gordon won't be getting as many shot attempts.
His value could shoot up through the roof if he's gonna take more attempts but I don't think he'd be bad to own after Blake Griffin comes back... He did put up numbers even when Z-Bo was there... I guess it's a wait and see with what he does now...
Robdizzle
Oct 27 2009, 04:42 AM
I'm not expecting numbers much better than last season. You have to remember his averages from last year are from when his whole team was out injured and he had as many shots as he could handle. It's not like he put up great numbers in a poor situation and is now in a great one, he put up good numbers in a good situation and he's in that situation again this season with Griffin going out.
That said considering where everyone's drafted him he should give you good return on investment
NUPE_1911
Oct 27 2009, 09:08 AM
QUOTE (Robdizzle @ Oct 27 2009, 05:42 AM)

I'm not expecting numbers much better than last season. You have to remember his averages from last year are from when his whole team was out injured and he had as many shots as he could handle. It's not like he put up great numbers in a poor situation and is now in a great one, he put up good numbers in a good situation and he's in that situation again this season with Griffin going out.
That said considering where everyone's drafted him he should give you good return on investment

Gordon will easily outplay his ADP. I wanted to snag him in the 6th but opted not too as I used earlier picks for swing men and needed to get some decent centers. He should be a stud this year. I am guessing 4th round value or so by the end of the season.
bdams19
Oct 27 2009, 09:24 AM
With Baron back I'm just not sold on Gordon. That said, I do really like him in the 7th round but would rather take Barbosa (I'd flip a coin if I were to chose between him and JET)
NUPE_1911
Oct 27 2009, 09:27 AM
QUOTE (bdams19 @ Oct 27 2009, 10:24 AM)

With Baron back I'm just not sold on Gordon. That said, I do really like him in the 7th round but would rather take Barbosa (I'd flip a coin if I were to chose between him and JET)
I believe Gordon will get more steals, get to the line more and have more blocks as well then the players you mentioned. I play in a roto league so .5 blocks a game is pretty huge. That is 41 extra blocks total from a sg. Further, Baron is very likely to get hurt and Baron being around may just get Gordon more open shots.
Denbo32
Oct 27 2009, 09:30 AM
I'll just say I'm trusting all you guys on Gordon. I haven't watched a single clippers game last year, but the numbers back up all the hype. I was a fan of Gordon going into the draft last year so I'm a believer. But CoH is a big reason why I drafted Gordon in my money league.
I took him over Terry so I do have some faith in Gordon, and I fully on board.
Start up the super thread!
markdash
Oct 27 2009, 09:45 AM
QUOTE (Denbo32 @ Oct 27 2009, 07:30 AM)

I'll just say I'm trusting all you guys on Gordon. I haven't watched a single clippers game last year, but the numbers back up all the hype. I was a fan of Gordon going into the draft last year so I'm a believer. But CoH is a big reason why I drafted Gordon in my money league.
I took him over Terry so I do have some faith in Gordon, and I fully on board.
Start up the super thread!
How the eff did I get this guy in the 6th round of the invitational? It boggles the mind.
Denbo32
Oct 27 2009, 09:48 AM
QUOTE (markdash @ Oct 27 2009, 10:45 AM)

How the eff did I get this guy in the 6th round of the invitational? It boggles the mind.
I need to see who I took when I passed on EG. I'm sure I had a good reason.
Denbo32
Oct 27 2009, 09:50 AM
QUOTE (Denbo32 @ Oct 27 2009, 10:48 AM)

I need to see who I took when I passed on EG. I'm sure I had a good reason.
Yea I took Melo.... that a good enough reason for me not to take Gordon.
NUPE_1911
Oct 27 2009, 10:00 AM
QUOTE (markdash @ Oct 27 2009, 10:45 AM)

How the eff did I get this guy in the 6th round of the invitational? It boggles the mind.
The 6th is just about right for Gordon imo. Through the first 5 rounds I'd take more proven swing men and centers.
markdash
Oct 27 2009, 10:04 AM
QUOTE (NUPE_1911 @ Oct 27 2009, 08:00 AM)

The 6th is just about right for Gordon imo. Through the first 5 rounds I'd take more proven swing men and centers.
No, but you have to understand... in this league, it's a bunch of rotoworld hype machines. That plus the fact that it went through Thats Ridiculous, rico831, Code of Hammurabi AND Denbo32 before getting to me in the sixth makes it all the more amazing.
Denbo32
Oct 27 2009, 10:06 AM
QUOTE (markdash @ Oct 27 2009, 11:04 AM)

No, but you have to understand... in this league, it's a bunch of rotoworld hype machines. That plus the fact that it went through Thats Ridiculous, rico831, Code of Hammurabi AND Denbo32 before getting to me in the sixth makes it all the more amazing.
Actually you drafted before all of us in the 6th. None of us wanted to take him in the 5th.
markdash
Oct 27 2009, 10:07 AM
QUOTE (Denbo32 @ Oct 27 2009, 08:06 AM)

Actually you drafted before all of us in the 6th. None of us wanted to take him in the 5th.
I was in the 5th position for the draft... that means that in the 6th, he wheels back through you guys. The round started with skoodog and ended with gsw.
markdash
Oct 27 2009, 10:08 AM
Denbo, you took Redd in the 6th 2 picks before I took Gordon.
Denbo32
Oct 27 2009, 10:10 AM
Oh in that case... I'm not sure. I took Redd. I love Redd
Denbo32
Oct 27 2009, 10:11 AM
QUOTE (markdash @ Oct 27 2009, 11:08 AM)

Denbo, you took Redd in the 6th 2 picks before I took Gordon.
Redd will be a top 5 scorer this season. If he doesn't sprain his ankle and be out 12 weeks from it.
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