I keep telling myself it's just the preseason, but his lines have not been up to par. Anyone else getting the feeling that he might not be worth the pick you took him with this year? I don't get the sense that he's put his game together and is ready to take things to the next level.

As an owner I'm a bit worried, too. But it's too early to hit the panic button. Although Turkeyglue's presence could eat into his assists totals, Calderon's finally got healthy legs back under him which should allow him to score more. Apparently he was settling for jumpers instead of taking his man off the dribble last season. I'll take a small hit in assists if he can up his points total while maintaining his efficiency.

Overall, I don't think there's much to worry about. He's been playing limited minutes this preseason and I expect him to really turn it on once the games start to matter. Jarrett Jack's presence should also be noted, though. He's been having a pretty good preseason and could carve out a significant chunk of minutes at the 1 and 2. But the bottom line is Calderon is too talented not to produce this year.

calderon is one of those players who's better fantasy wise than in real life. the reason why he has low turnovers compared to the top tier point guards like cp3, deron, nash, etc is because he never penetrates to create easy baskets. calderon gets his assists through pick and rolls with bosh/bargnani. when he does try to create it always ends up with a fast break for the other team.


so yes, i would be avoiding calderon in every draft this year. he is not worth the risk as jarret jack and hedo will be the ones who are running the offence.

Why do we worry in pre season?

Exactly. Calm down guys. It's a marathon, not a sprint - and the preseason's not even the beginning.

actually.... I don't own Calderon in any leagues..... PANIC NOW.....

btw Markdash.... I'll give you Westbrook for Calderon. Calderon sucks, look at Turk gonna take over for him, and well Westbrook is going for 20/6/5!!!!!

calderon is not a good starting point guard in real life and will now have to share play making duties with hedo and jack. pre season performance has nothing to do with my opinion of calderon's real life skills. calderon is one of the main reasons why the raptors only took jump shots last year. he has never shown the ability to break down the defence to create an easy basket.

On a bit of a side note, I don't understand why Turk's arrival will necessarily impact Calderon's role. Turk was the point forward in Orlando last year. Coincidentally, Jameer Nelson put up all-star stats before getting injured (actually improving from his previous years' averages). If anything, I see Calderon's points average going up this season with Turk in the mix.

If we all believed in preseason stats, we'd all be running to grab Warrick and dropping Jameer Nelson right now.

Bargaini is a terrible real life player, but he fine as a fantasy player.

All I know is Calderon should be getting 35 mins a game. He will still get the ball in his hands alot, and the Raptors are still going to shoot jumpshots.

I have no idea how good he is in real life, nor do I care. I know the coach has said good things about him and will give him mins. Till I see real game that matter where he not touching the ball I wouldn't worry.

This is not really true anymore, 2 years ago yes. As of now scoring is his only elite skill, the rest of his game is catching up. His rebounding however will probably always be weak. His help D is still lacking, but his man D is quite underrated and he's learning how to use his legit length to be a shot blocking presence. This upcoming season he will be a force in fantasy and real life, having hedo will only help him not hurt him.

As for calderon he'll still be the primary ball handler, some of you are overrating the impact that Hedo will have on his assists. Hedo's a smart player if anything and he'll make the players around him better as well. Only wish is that Jose would be much more aggressive, no reason someone with his abilities should be taking so little shots as he does. He would be much more impactful in fantasy and real life if he were to assert his fantastic offensive skills more. That said I don't think he'll get 35 mins a game, he struggles pretty bad on defense and now they have a strong backup in jack, Calderon should still be good for top 24-30 production this year.

Because this is a #20 pick we're talking about. There is the opportunity cost of picking him up. You need to have a sure thing with the 20 pick. Examples of sure things that are being drafted behind Calderon:

Kevin Martin
Kidd
JJ

These guys come with much lower risk. Even Kevin Martin, who is an injury risk, is guaranteed to perform when healthy. JJ's numbers you can take to the bank. Not so with Calderon. These kinds of questions just push his value down to around 30, imho. Good managers try to lower the risks, particularly with early picks.

Yeah, I agree with most of the things you said bunshichi.

I thought Hedo would be handling the ball more in the offence but it doesn't seem to be the case. While he is not handling it as much as I expected he still is. Calderon was bringing the ball up and initiating the offence 100% of the time last season, I see it being around 80% this season.

I am still not sold on Calderon though, I think he is being picked a little too early in most leagues. I see his value similar to what it was last year if not dropping a bit.

I am taking Kidd over any of those guys 100% of the time.

if calderon wasn't so lights out from the FT line no one would draft him in the top 40

Yeah his freethrow percentage is ridiculous... it's a shame he doesn't take a higher volume of them, though

3-5 FT's

he's missed 4 FT's in the first 3 games of the season...

He missed 3 FT's ALL SEASON last year...

I'm glad my internet froze and made me draft this guy over Arenas....jesus....he BORES THE HELL OUT OF ME!

It's only been three games, but he's yet to put together a game that warrants his high draft pick. I'm leaning futher and further towards feeling burnt, but the season is still young and I'm willing to wait a little longer

I could put up with it if I made the pick.....but knowing that my internet went down for 30 seconds right as I made my pick....and I wanted Arenas.....it's just killing me to watch this play out...

1:41 TOR - A. Wright enters game for J. Calderon

Calderon plays 3 minutes in the 4th quarter....and does nothing....

I've officially blown my 3rd round pick that I didn't even make....and I have both Calderon & T.J. Ford as my PG's to get assists....BOTH of whom are just RANDOMLY getting benched....

I can't take NBA anymore....it's the same thing every year. "surprisingly, this guy gets benched and is losing Playing time"....

You're overreacting.

There's no crying in fantasy basketball.

here is some advise

I laughed at people drafting this guy in the 3rd round. Yes he puts up + assists. But what else does he offer you? FT%? Sure but how many attempts per game did he get last year? 3 or 4? FG%. Sure but again he isn't a scorer that was a very light good %. He doesn't get many steals. Can't score double figures. There is just alot that seems to have to go right for this guy to come close to returning you on 3rd round value. I'll pass.

How about potential league leading assists? How about great percentages? How about increased scoring with turk around to spread the floor? All that can easily be 3-4 round value. Of course he has yet to do that, but the potential is there and its 3 games in with a new team around him. Everyone needs to chill

I loved Calderon last year but his biggest value was because he couldn't really hurt you and he threw up big assist games somewhat regularly. With Turk there now, I just don't see him putting up huge assist games as often as before.

10 pts, 6 asts is pretty much what i expect from him this year.

Calderon can have all the great percentages he wants, but his FGA/FTA are too low to be of any substantial contribution. Of course he doesn't hurt you in any of these categories, but 50%FG @ 9.5FGA and 98%FT @ 2.3FTA really doesn't impact those categories. JC's value comes from what he doesn't do, which is not turn the ball over and of course his 8-10APG.

However, his scoring is obviously going to sit at right around 10-12PPG and if he doesn't pick up pace to where he can average 1-3PTM/1SPG and doesn't get the Turnovers to -1.5, he is an average fantasy player at best.

Its only the first week of the season.

Calderon makes his way. And Orlando is a weak team, if you are the Guard on the other side.

Agreed, if Calderon doesnt average over 8.5 dimes, 1 steal, and 1 three a game he is defintely not worth third round value. However they lost parker and moon, they added turk and jack. I think calderon is still learning how to play with his current team and will improve as he learns more of what turk likes to do. If he doesnt pick it up in the next 2 weeks then yes hit the panic button, but as of now im not looking to trade him. Should he have a 20 dime game then yes maybe ill package him and someone for like billups, but I dont think theres any late third round or after pg that will outproduce this guy when all is said and done.

To be honest with you, I've always thought that Calderon's fantasy game has long been overrated. Yes he is one of if not the only PG that can average +8APG while averaging -2TO but other than those two statistics he is supremely average in every other category. He doesn't score enough, his 3PTM/STL totals are serviceable, and he doesnt have enough FGA/FTA to impact any of those cumulative categories with much effectiveness. I'd honestly rather have a Jameer Nelson/Derrick Rose and they were being drafted 2-3 rounds later than Calderon.

JC in my mind was being overrated as he was ranked #21 in Yahoo! ADP, which is insane considering he doesn't do "enough" in any other categories besides AST.

Ill give you that... I think it also depends how one sees his situation going forward. I drafted a guy who I believed will get me double digit dimes, and a three and steal a game. Thats three of the more rare catagories when compared to points and boards, and I figured he would not hurt my percentages even if he isnt a great asset.

If he can do those things Im very happy with my selection of him at like the 28th pick, even doesnt then it obviously wasnt a great pick. Im still very optimistic given the talent around him that he can get me those double digit dimes. Truth be told however I was hoping to land rondo who was taken the pic before me, but guards who have the potential to average elite assists fall to like 5 pgs and I wanted to be sure to get one. (i think its cp3, deron, rondo, billups, and calderon imo)

Just a little perspective from someone who has been watching the games. Calderon isn't in game shape yet, he usually plays year round with the national team but this year he had to sit out so his hamstring tear from last year could fully heal. So thats about 5 months of NO ACTIVITY and it's very evident in his game, his jumpers and especially his fts right now. Give it a week or two and he will be back to the Calderon you guys all love.

As for the Hedo effect, vastly overrated Calderon still brings the ball 85-90% of the time. You have to realize that most of Calderon's assists come from swinging around the horn or skip passes to jump shooters and aside from Bargnani and maybe Bellinelli there have been no raptors hitting any jumpers with consistency. It'll will all normalize soon and you should even see Calderon draining more 3 balls this year.

To sum it up, he'll produce what he has in the past years as a starter just wait for him to get back in shape. Only the 3rd game into the fantasy season no need to panic.

Rose is much more overrated. Don't shoot threes.

Dont understand the hype on Rose. Capitan Kirk is back in town and this sophomore is only a source of points, assists and >2.0 TO pro game.

This is pretty much spot on.

4 points and 2 assists at the half. I'm officially worried. Looks like Turk running the point forward has killed Calderon's value.

i told you guys
calderon is not a good play maker even though he was able to rack up the assists the past 2 seasons. with jack and hedo, the raptors will not want to run the offence through him.

looking to sell right now. 0 assists so far for a guy that avg 9+ a year? Him and Brand have crapped my season.

can anyone that watches the games confirm that he is having his role dominated by turk/jack now?

Correction 0 assists, yes a big goose egg.

this is bull....Turk has completely killed Calderon's production. Im a Pistons fan so i have watched the whole game, and i know i have posted before in this thread telling others not to panic over Calderon's slow start. But watching this game, seeing Turk bring the ball up the court, i am definitely worried. Im trying to move Calderon and punt assists ASAP....2nd round pick is garbage FML

It was time to start worrying when they signed a guy that needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

yes i can confirm that....not so much Jack, but definitely Turk.

anyone who's seen him play know he is not a play maker
and yes the ball goes to turkoglu or jack

time to panic!

wtf is this guy's deal.
i hope he doesn't have a horrible season.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

please....im continually checking this thread waiting for someone with some optimism to chime in. Anyone out there? im ready to jump ship and get whatever i can for this guy.

you have to tough it out. or maybe try and trade him for 'shard.
but i feel you ultimately have to wait and see.
maybe he will come around.
he didn't play basketball over the summer.
maybe he hasn't found his rhythm.
plus, he is going to have to turn it around if the raptors have any hopes this year. (i know they won tonight..)
remember, jameer was an all star PG playing with Hedo.

Ladies and Gentlemen as a big supporter of Calderon and a man who used the 8th pick of the 3rd round, I am in full blown panic mode. Hedo has totally disrupted his role, Jack is getting a lot of time, and Calderon is just a non factor. I could have moved him for Jameer Nelson last week but didnt and now I dont think I can move him for Judd Nelson.

why didn't i take arenas over jose - oh, thats right gilbert's knee has to give...right?