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MNDOGG
"According to Byron Scott, David West suffered an injury to his shin or ankle during Wednesday's practice.
The exact nature of the injury is unclear, but the New Orleans Times-Picayune reports that West "limped noticeably" on his way to the locker room. Scott isn't expected to address West's status again until Thursday, so fantasy owners will have to wait and hope the forward won't be out long."



I can only hope to God this isn't something serious!! Please fantasy gods..do not do this to me a week before the season begins! What do i need to sacrifice? I'll eat a bucket of chicken tonight...ill do a rain dance..please please..
jsp2014
thanks very much for the update
MNDOGG
QUOTE (jsp2014 @ Oct 21 2009, 03:01 PM) *
thanks very much for the update



just hoping that since he was able to walk off on his own power that it isnt a big deal...actually praying that that is the case!
RCJAY
are we suppose to draft West before brook, lee and or brand? just asking. thanks.
MNDOGG
QUOTE (RCJAY @ Oct 21 2009, 03:48 PM) *
are we suppose to draft West before brook, lee and or brand? just asking. thanks.



Id draft him before Lee and Brand..but not Brook.. don't trust Brand at all and West gives you more pts and hidden cats ie. blks, than Lee.. some may draft Lee before him and i wouldnt hate on that..
MNDOGG
"David West was held out of Thursday's game against the Warriors due to an ankle or shin injury, and his status is unknown.
The Hornets didn't issue a report about his status after the game, leaving owners concerned and in the dark after he was seen limping noticeably on Wednesday. Injury reports can be less reliable in the preseason, since teams are usually playing things safe, so don't panic unless a report emerges that requires you to."

This is really annoying and nerve racking at the same time! I dont know if this is a good sign or a bad sign..im hoping that if it was anything serious they would have said something by now, and that it just isnt' serious so they aren't making a big deal of it... I PRAY that this is the case!!
Code of Hammurabi
West has a propensity to be a very very slow healer. In 06-07 he missed a boat lot of games with a really nagging injury (cant recall what the injury was though). He's played 76 games the last two seasons so he should be ok, though we'll have to pay close attention to the developments...

QUOTE (MNDOGG @ Oct 23 2009, 11:21 AM) *
"David West was held out of Thursday's game against the Warriors due to an ankle or shin injury, and his status is unknown.
The Hornets didn't issue a report about his status after the game, leaving owners concerned and in the dark after he was seen limping noticeably on Wednesday. Injury reports can be less reliable in the preseason, since teams are usually playing things safe, so don't panic unless a report emerges that requires you to."

This is really annoying and nerve racking at the same time! I dont know if this is a good sign or a bad sign..im hoping that if it was anything serious they would have said something by now, and that it just isnt' serious so they aren't making a big deal of it... I PRAY that this is the case!!
JballFan
David West has been pretty consistent the last couple of years as the #2 option on the Hornets. Maybe even #1 option in many games. The only knock to D.West's game is FG% and Rebounds. He gets roughly 1 stl 1 blk, which isn't great but isn't terrible either. With the departure of 7 foot Chandler, and the arrival of 6'10 Okafor, do you see West getting more rebounds? And with another scorer in the paint, will that give West better looks for higher FG%?

Or do you see DWest's numbers dropping in PTs and RB this year because Okafor is more active and can steal some of West's spotlight in New Orleans?
Kobe_No_Means_No
I'm pretty sure Okafor will hurt his value. Okafor will have the ball in the paint more than Chandler used to, less touches for West = less fantasy stats. David West is still a solid player to own, but I'd knock 1-2 rounds off of his last year's rank if I were to draft him.
JballFan
QUOTE (Kobe_No_Means_No @ Oct 25 2009, 10:46 AM) *
I'm pretty sure Okafor will hurt his value. Okafor will have the ball in the paint more than Chandler used to, less touches for West = less fantasy stats. David West is still a solid player to own, but I'd knock 1-2 rounds off of his last year's rank if I were to draft him.


1-2 rounds?? Wow. DWest is normally a 3-4 round pick. I can't see him being available at 5-6 round. Besides the points, you think Okafor will out rebound West that much?
Code of Hammurabi
I dont buy this at all. West will score and produce as he has the last few years. Okafor wont impact scoring stats..

QUOTE (Kobe_No_Means_No @ Oct 25 2009, 10:46 AM) *
I'm pretty sure Okafor will hurt his value. Okafor will have the ball in the paint more than Chandler used to, less touches for West = less fantasy stats. David West is still a solid player to own, but I'd knock 1-2 rounds off of his last year's rank if I were to draft him.
kimoti
Take West in the 20-25 region in drafts.
Yell_42
Okafor wont hurt West, in fact he will help him.


Ever since I saw the trade of Emeka to the Hornets, I have been telling people that David West will have a career year.


He will push 22 ppg, 8.5 rpg and 1 bpg.
JballFan
QUOTE (Yell_42 @ Oct 25 2009, 11:44 AM) *
Okafor wont hurt West, in fact he will help him.


Ever since I saw the trade of Emeka to the Hornets, I have been telling people that David West will have a career year.


He will push 22 ppg, 8.5 rpg and 1 bpg.



Man I REALLY want to believe this. Can you explain why Emeka will help DWest?
gsw
Yeah, I don't understand how Okafor who is much better than Chandler offensively will help West put up career stats.
JballFan
QUOTE (gsw @ Oct 25 2009, 12:28 PM) *
Yeah, I don't understand how Okafor who is much better than Chandler offensively will help West put up career stats.


It should help with rebound right?? Okafor is shorter than Chandler. West and Okafor about the same height.
MNDOGG
QUOTE (JballFan @ Oct 25 2009, 09:37 AM) *
It should help with rebound right?? Okafor is shorter than Chandler. West and Okafor about the same height.



height has absolutely nothing to do with it..the main difference between Okafor and Chandler is the 15 ft jump shot..Emeka has one, and Chandler doesn't even think about one..what this does is open up the court slightly more than Chandler would, hence creating more room and spacing for West and others, which is ALWAYS a good thing..teams can't just pack it in anymore, they have to respect Emeka out to 15 feet.. West should have more space on the court to get to the rim, rebound ect..i also think he is going to have even a better year with Emeka on the court..
JballFan
QUOTE (MNDOGG @ Oct 25 2009, 01:53 PM) *
height has absolutely nothing to do with it..the main difference between Okafor and Chandler is the 15 ft jump shot..Emeka has one, and Chandler doesn't even think about one..what this does is open up the court slightly more than Chandler would, hence creating more room and spacing for West and others, which is ALWAYS a good thing..teams can't just pack it in anymore, they have to respect Emeka out to 15 feet.. West should have more space on the court to get to the rim, rebound ect..i also think he is going to have even a better year with Emeka on the court..


So David West will out perform his ADP rank this year? Will he play at top 25 level? Predicted Stats?
stevemann
I dont understand the "offensive" love for Okafor all of a sudden....you think anyone is worried about his 15ft jumper? seriously? i see West putting up the same numbers as last year. Okafor/Chandler is a wash IMO...when CP3 needs a bucket he will go to West, Okafor will get his clean ups for sure, but in no way will he hurt Wests production.
nickalero99
QUOTE (stevemann @ Oct 25 2009, 10:05 PM) *
I dont understand the "offensive" love for Okafor all of a sudden....you think anyone is worried about his 15ft jumper? seriously? i see West putting up the same numbers as last year. Okafor/Chandler is a wash IMO...when CP3 needs a bucket he will go to West, Okafor will get his clean ups for sure, but in no way will he hurt Wests production.


I agree with this. Okafor is a better offensive player than Chandler, but the minor uptick in looks for Okafor will be negated by the slight amount of attention he takes away from West. I don't see much of a change in West's numbers.
TrueShoe
QUOTE (kimoti @ Oct 25 2009, 10:37 AM) *
Take West in the 20-25 region in drafts.


I just got him at 46th overall in a draft today...

He is on average in Yahoo! at 35, 42 on MDC, 29th on CBS. I wouldn't draft him before 30th overall, even that might be an over draft. But anything before that is a fairly big reach. Especially when you can get him in the late 3rd to mid 4th.
JballFan
QUOTE (nickalero99 @ Oct 25 2009, 09:12 PM) *
I agree with this. Okafor is a better offensive player than Chandler, but the minor uptick in looks for Okafor will be negated by the slight amount of attention he takes away from West. I don't see much of a change in West's numbers.



So how would you rank west this year in 9 cat. ?
nickalero99
QUOTE (JballFan @ Oct 25 2009, 11:24 PM) *
So how would you rank west this year in 9 cat. ?


30's
JballFan
QUOTE (nickalero99 @ Oct 25 2009, 11:28 PM) *
30's


Is David west better than Gerald Wallace this fantasy year?
Denbo32
QUOTE (JballFan @ Oct 26 2009, 09:54 AM) *
Is David west better than Gerald Wallace this fantasy year?


no
JballFan
QUOTE (Denbo32 @ Oct 26 2009, 09:55 AM) *
no


This I don't understand. Looking at last years #s. David West does everything same or better than Crash except for STLs. So why is crash better?
Denbo32
QUOTE (JballFan @ Oct 26 2009, 02:28 PM) *
This I don't understand. Looking at last years #s. David West does everything same or better than Crash except for STLs. So why is crash better?


Steals, 3.
ajthurb23
David West is better b/c he is going to play more games. He has played 21 more games the last two seasons.
JballFan
QUOTE (Denbo32 @ Oct 26 2009, 01:32 PM) *
Steals, 3.


He shot 33 more treys for the season. That's really nothing. He gets more STL that's for sure. West scored 400 more pts, shoots .88FT% vs. .8% of GWallace, Grabbed 100 more rebounds. Blk and TO about the same. So why so much love for Gwallace??
Denbo32
QUOTE (JballFan @ Oct 26 2009, 03:55 PM) *
He shot 33 more treys for the season. That's really nothing. He gets more STL that's for sure. West scored 400 more pts, shoots .88FT% vs. .8% of GWallace, Grabbed 100 more rebounds. Blk and TO about the same. So why so much love for Gwallace??


33 3's isn't nothing. and about 100 steals is a lot.
JballFan
QUOTE (Denbo32 @ Oct 26 2009, 02:59 PM) *
33 3's isn't nothing. and about 100 steals is a lot.


that's .0375% more a game. You can't possible think that's going to help you win 3s. 100 STLS yes, that's a difference maker. But Dwest gets you 400 more points and that's also a difference maker. .8FT% vs .875% FT is also a difference maker. I thinking Dwest is better than Gwallace.
Denbo32
Don't forget that the bobcats traded away some inside scoring so Wallace may see a tick up in scoring as well
jsp2014
QUOTE (JballFan @ Oct 26 2009, 03:55 PM) *
He shot 33 more treys for the season. That's really nothing. He gets more STL that's for sure. West scored 400 more pts, shoots .88FT% vs. .8% of GWallace, Grabbed 100 more rebounds. Blk and TO about the same. So why so much love for Gwallace??



player raters are better at valuing a stat line than your eyes+brain, believe it or not. you can argue that West was more valuable last year all you want, but it's not true. Wallace is known as injury prone, but West was too before last year. He's already banged up this year.
Denbo32
QUOTE (JballFan @ Oct 26 2009, 04:08 PM) *
that's .0375% more a game. You can't possible think that's going to help you win 3s. 100 STLS yes, that's a difference maker. But Dwest gets you 400 more points and that's also a difference maker. .8FT% vs .875% FT is also a difference maker. I thinking Dwest is better than Gwallace.


what do you mean .0375% more a game? more then what? basically it .6 3's a game. It makes a difference. If you don't think it makes a difference look at the end of the year and add 33 3's to your team and see where that places you.

add 100 steals and you can move up from middle of the pack to elite in steals. that extra steal a game is HUGE. I can't stress that enough, but 1 steal more a game is a ton.
JballFan
QUOTE (Denbo32 @ Oct 26 2009, 03:21 PM) *
what do you mean .0375% more a game? more then what? basically it .6 3's a game. It makes a difference. If you don't think it makes a difference look at the end of the year and add 33 3's to your team and see where that places you.

add 100 steals and you can move up from middle of the pack to elite in steals. that extra steal a game is HUGE. I can't stress that enough, but 1 steal more a game is a ton.


YES I UNDERSTAND THE STLS. but the 3s is freaking nothing. he avg .5 trey a game but dwest avg .15 trey. 33 treys at the end of the season is nothing for any team, you have to be kidding. David West get you 400 more pts 100 more rb and shoots way better FT%
JballFan
QUOTE (jsp2014 @ Oct 26 2009, 03:15 PM) *
player raters are better at valuing a stat line than your eyes+brain, believe it or not. you can argue that West was more valuable last year all you want, but it's not true. Wallace is known as injury prone, but West was too before last year. He's already banged up this year.


player rater is roto based not h2h. I am talking about h2h.

If player A avg 1.5 trey 15.5pts / 5.5 rb / 5.5 asst / 1.5stl
vs.
Player B 1.2 trey / 15 pts / 5 rb / 10 asst / 1.2stl

While Player A will have higher ranking, player B is clearly the better H2H player.
jsp2014
QUOTE (JballFan @ Oct 26 2009, 04:35 PM) *
player rater is roto based not h2h. I am talking about h2h.

If player A avg 1.5 trey 15.5pts / 5.5 rb / 5.5 asst / 1.5stl
vs.
Player B 1.2 trey / 15 pts / 5 rb / 10 asst / 1.2stl

While Player A will have higher ranking, player B is clearly the better H2H player.



on what planet are roto rankings different from h2h rankings? 9-cat is 9-cat until you've punted something. i would say player B is better in both roto and h2h.
JballFan
QUOTE (jsp2014 @ Oct 26 2009, 03:39 PM) *
on what planet are roto rankings different from h2h rankings? 9-cat is 9-cat until you've punted something. i would say player B is better in both roto and h2h.


roto ranks IS different from H2H. Dwight Howard is 50-60Roto. He is top 10 H2H.
jsp2014
QUOTE (JballFan @ Oct 26 2009, 04:48 PM) *
roto ranks IS different from H2H. Dwight Howard is 50-60Roto. He is top 10 H2H.


he's top 10 in h2h because it assumes you punt FT%. if you're not punting FT% which would usually be the case in roto, then he's exactly the same h2h vs. roto. as i said, roto=h2h until you've punted something. i do use bbm and have a subscription. are there separate rankings for roto and h2h? as far as i know, NO because they're exactly the same.
WildSeven
QUOTE (JballFan @ Oct 26 2009, 04:32 PM) *
YES I UNDERSTAND THE STLS. but the 3s is freaking nothing. he avg .5 trey a game but dwest avg .15 trey. 33 treys at the end of the season is nothing for any team, you have to be kidding. David West get you 400 more pts 100 more rb and shoots way better FT%


GWall fills the scoresheet because he does everything. Getting stats across the board is huge. If you understand the steals, then you should know how big that is. Steals are rare to come by, as opposed to points and rebounds. You can get cheap points and rebounds in the late rounds. With Okafor out, GWall will probably get more points and rebs.
markdash
The difference between Wallace's and West's steals is much, much larger than the COMBINED difference between their points and rebounds. That's how big 100 steals can be.
JballFan
QUOTE (markdash @ Oct 26 2009, 05:43 PM) *
The difference between Wallace's and West's steals is much, much larger than the COMBINED difference between their points and rebounds. That's how big 100 steals can be.


What about the 7.5% FT difference? Dwest shoots a good amount of FT as well. Time will tell this year. I'm not convinced Gwallace will play as many games as Dwest. But I can be right and eat my own words.
markdash
QUOTE (JballFan @ Oct 26 2009, 02:54 PM) *
What about the 7.5% FT difference? Dwest shoots a good amount of FT as well. Time will tell this year. I'm not convinced Gwallace will play as many games as Dwest. But I can be right and eat my own words.


Gerald Wallace's advantage in steals is larger than West's advantages in points, rebounds, and FT% combined!.
Yell_42
What a pathetic start to the year for this guy.
Max Rockatansky
QUOTE (Yell_42 @ Nov 2 2009, 12:23 AM) *
What a pathetic start to the year for this guy.


first 2 games were good, today......bad


a little overraction here (unless he is still injured)
MNDOGG
QUOTE (Yell_42 @ Nov 1 2009, 08:23 PM) *
What a pathetic start to the year for this guy.



Boston defense man.. they will shut a lot of good players down this year..if they were playing the Warriors tonight or some team like that, he probably would have gone for like 22,9 or somethign and this wouldnt even be a concern..he will be fine..
408Buffalo
He started semi-slow last year too.

I'm not concerned but I am trying to flip him and another player for a better PF.
krazydragonboi
someone just dropped west in my league.... wow
Yell_42
3 rebounds tonight.

Pathetic.
408Buffalo
I'm new to fantasy basketball but have you guys watched West? He's one of the lowest effort guys i've seen in a long time. Looks slow, plods up and down the court.
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