I'll try to get this segment out by Wednesday each week, but as we get closer and closer to December, I may be skipping a week here and there because of a test I'm taking. But for now, onwards to some WW considerations.

Laurence Maroney: Of course it's because of injuries, but if he's available, worth a snag because of who he's playing. We know Taylor is out awhile, and if Morris's injury is serious, he could very well see 20+ touches a game.

BenJarvus Green-Ellis: For you deeper league people, this is a pretty speculative play. LoMo hasn't been the most healthy guy in the world, and even in Week 7, The Law Firm could see 8-12 touches if there's garbage time like last week, and potentially some GL carries. Someone to consider in desperation.

Justin Fargas: Will carry the majority of the load this week since Mcfadden is out and Bush hurt his noggin. NYJ's run D weakens considerably with the loss of Kris Jenkins, and he did see 23 carries last week.

Indianapolis D/Carolina D/New England D: Indy plays STL, Carolina plays BUF with Ryan Fitzpatrick starting, NE plays TB in an 'away game' in London in which I bet the Pats get more fans than the Bucs. 3 solid matchups.

James Jones: Jordy Nelson is hurt, so he's the sole #3 in Green Bay. Worth a look against softer matchups, including this week.

Sidney Rice: Likely gone in any decent league, but Favre has been heaping praise on him all year, and he's a big target. I was able to snag him in a 12 teamer, which surprised me.

Kevin Faulk: PPR only, but if he's not snagged, definitely worth a look. The Pats don't really have a 3rd WR right now, so he could see an increase in checkdowns in the interim.

Mohamed Massaquoi: He'll be inconsistent as heck, but if an impatient owner (like me) dropped him after a terrible Week 5, now's the chance for another flier.

Andre Caldwell: Again, another inconsistent performer, but in a pure numbers point of view, he's the #2 in Cincy right now.

Jermichael Finley: Nab him if he's available and you don't have a solid TE. Like now.

Chaz Schilens: And thus, on October 25th, 2009, the Schilens Era was born. And all ye Jamarcus Russel's be free! (Speculative play)

Justin Forsett: Mommmm?!!! Julius Jones is becoming Julius Jones again! (Speculative play)

Sam Aiken/Brandon Tate/Terrence Nunn: This might be the most speculative I get all year. Watch this week and see who looks the best. Nunn/Tate may not even play, but if they do, consider them in super deep leagues (ie, my 20 teamer). Aiken isn't a great WR, but he may get the #3 spot by default because the other two haven't had time with Brady yet. Either way, one of the three could make for a decent pickup for the cheapest you can find someone.

Chris Brown: Apparently he's still the closer til he breaks something.


Again, remember some of these are speculative, some aren't, and it all depends on league size/competitiveness. Happy Week 7 all.

Nicely done Shock. Great list filled with potential guys for anyone with bye week issues and a few of these guys have a chance to be fantasy relevant for a number of weeks.

With all due respect......this weekly mumbo jumbo should be entitled "Regurgitation Proclamation"

Hmm not really. Don't exactly see a ton of these guys being hyped...at least a lot.

Any reason for that? Or are you just another random troll?

Swwwweet! we have another roster prognosticator apparently..looking forward to your weekly contributions!!


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THANKS SHOCK! you da bestest

I'm thinking just another troll.

I look forward to reading these every week though Shock. Especially the Booms and Busts as well

Nice job Shock. I picked up Fargas last night. 23 carries is nothign to turn your head about, plus they have the SD defense next week.

Poor taste picking on the analysis, we're all here to speculate. Nice work shock, keep it coming

Did you truly mean that "respectfully," speedkills?

Great anlysis chief. The useful insight you're bringing to the table here will help hundreds of us in our FF matchups this week!

Shock - which exam you studying for in Dec?

The CFA Level I (Chartered Fund Analyst)...I feel totally unprepared for it right now, and there's TONS of material and formulas and stuff. I finished reading all the books, but I'll be constantly rereading my notes, might reread the books again, doing practice problems, etc.

Fixed. I'm a charterholder so I know ur pain. But get the name of it right! J/K, good luck.

Haha brain fart When did you pass Level 3?

Lmao, it's all good. All those equations u have to remember i understand.

I passed L3 in 2007, so glad I'm done with that. It opened a lot of doors back then, but now that the finance industry is no longer booming like it once was I'm not so sure.

But then again i am getting an all expenses paid trip to Miami from the 24th-27th to mingle at a conference and stay at the Fontainebleau...so i guess it still has it's perks

Truthfully, yes. Sorry guys. I'm not a prognosticator. Nor have I ever claimed to have made any contributions. I don't need to. This is about having an opinion, and that was mine. You don't have to like it, but don't take it personally either.

I know some are thinking....."well, why read his blurbs then"?..... I do because I hope to get a tidbit here and there that might aid in my quest for good info. I'm not saying his info is bad, wrong or the like, it's just that it reads so much like many of the other sites I visit.

Not very enlightening. You can bow down to his opinions, I opt not to. This doesn't make me a troll, just someone who expressed an opposing viewpoint.

Don't take it to heart. Honest.

Don't want to get involved and in fact resisted the impulse til now.

I actually hate the idea of "Column Writing" in the forums:
- It can be divisive as it it inherently invites both the author and members to set the "columnist" apart and leads to wars amongst members who make up "pro" and "con" factions
- It's far too often an ego trip and propagated to further an agenda even if the agenda is only to feed the OP's ego
- They are usually bad

I would rather see Shock- and the others- include his comments and analysis in the weekly threads of the same ilk. If there is no such thread then start one and accept both input as well as the laud and plaudits for writing good material.


That said, Shock does not simply regurgitate. His touts go deeper than many Major Site heads. He has a little shallow league and a little deeper league recs and tries to give a quick synopsis of what drives his tout. His work this season is greatly improved over his contributions from last season. Easily. If I had a quibble with him it is that his style is a little raw, his jokes too familiar in cadence and form. But he is doing well and discovering his own voice. (Jupiterhawks is a bit more "entertaining" as a read but Shock has a better feel for analysis IMO. Both are among the better offerings this board has turned out.) He is concise and gets his product out there with a minimum of distraction.

Of course this is merely my opinion, as right as it may be.

Bingo.

I don't have to agree with Shock-but this cat does his research and has his opinion based on that research. There is always information that he touches on that I may have overlooked. Keep it up Shock!

Speed-
Surely by reading the rest of my first post you can see that while I agree with you in principle I disagree with you on content. This board would be a poorer place without the input of Shock and Jupe.

Shock, Biggz and Jupiter are the only guys on this forum who's posts I always make a point to read.

Keep it up man.

I'd like to add Malcolm Floyd to the list. He had a solid game against a tough Denver D. And last year he put up solid #s in both games against the Chiefs.

I'll add Ludawg23 and TitMan to that list, although TM doesn't post nearly enough. I don't always (often even) agree with Schocks analysis but I welcome his input.

As for the "column with the forum" aspect, easy fix. phpBB or VBulletin, whichever script this place runs on (haven't bothered to check) has an integrated blogs function. Lets users set up their own RW forum blogs. Put it all there, enable comments and go to town. More page views, more ad space, more revenue...if any of the powers that be read this.

Or keep it here, no skin off my back. Might be time for Drater's Dumbfvcks Of The Week mini column to make an appearance.

I glance thru these forums mainly because often the news and breaking stories hit these boards first, before even Rotoworld puts out a blurb. I dont comment on these guys who post special threads like this, but there is a spot that is pinned up that specifically deals with that weeks hot waiver wire pick ups. So to make your own thread instead of just posting all this info on the pinned thread above is kinda egotisitical...The info that OP posts may or may not be good.It may be great stuff. But why wouldnt you post it where it really belongs....JMO

1) The waiver wire list is generally names. Some of these threads include someone's personal analysis. True, it amy or not be good, but it's his own and "deserves" it's own thread in my opinion.

2) Egotistical? Maybe, but generally it's guys that are working on their writing skills, possible to expand and/or get noticed. Sometimes they have a blog address in their sig. Just doing what they gotta do to get noticed. I've got ZERO problems with these threads.

3) If they're good, they stay on the main page. If they're bad, they drop off and we don't have to see them. That's the beauty of this message board.

There are a couple solid ones (Shock is one) and I think these are beneficial to people who can't spend as much time researching. Shock has had some great calls and earned some followers. I think this thread is where it belongs.

My $.02

The reason I really love these individualistic columns, is they actually explain why they like someone. Whereas most rankings you see online, just number a bunch of dudes, and pick out like 3 people to discuss upon. Those 3 are usually superstars. Ya, we know Adrian Peterson is going to kick ass this week Karabell!..... Shocks columns and others on here tend to go much deeper and stop assuming that leagues only have 8 teams (mine has 14, so I need to know the sleepers).

Man, lots of stuff going on in here...intense!

Anyways, to the people who don't like these kinds of things - I'd simply invite you not to read the post/thread. That's it. I do this for 2 reasons: Because I enjoy writing about football, and because I think a second opinion never hurt anyone, especially because I know as someone who's played fantasy sports forever that extra input/commentary/analysis usually doesn't hurt. It's not an egotistical thing. It's not because I want props from every person who reads the thread.

And as far as criticism goes - those who've read my stuff know I take criticism to heart as long as there's basis behind it. You can tell me my stuff sucks and I'm fine with it, but tell me WHY it sucks. Not just because you don't like sit/start or WW stuff or because you feel it should be in a different thread or 'just because'. I'm more interested in comments on the content itself or comments that'll help me become a better writer/analyst/poster. For example - TitaniumMan, I know you're a very good writer. Any suggestions to help my style/analysis are fully appreciated, same goes to anyone else.

And thanks for all the kind words those of you who've posted them. It's not required, but doesn't hurt to see that people do appreciate the effort Anyways, no booms/busts portion this week...been studying pretty much all week, and taking a break by going to Disneyland in an hour or so. Hope you all have a fun Week 7!

Hey Shock...keep up the insightful work man and good luck on the CFA...I might actually go for Level 1 next June (kinda surprised you have time to do these write ups in between studying for the CFA)
You from the New England area? (noticed you are a Pats fan)

Nah, not anymore...I live in Socal now. And my writeups are pretty much done in breaks...I'm unemployed, so I have more time to study than fulltime workers, and more free time as a result. I usually put in anywhere from 4 to 12 hours a day depending on the day, and I'm sure November will be 12+ each day with the exception of Sundays. And I still feel unprepared, mainly because I suck at remembering formulas...oof.

I always read Shock's Boom or Busts.....its always nice to get other fantasy players opinions. Keep up the "shockingly" good work. Sorry, had to do it.

Shock's posts are always on point and appreciated by this fantasy football addict.

On a sidenote, so what do u guys think of Malcolm Floyd. I'm intrigued, he's a big target, u think he can supplant chambers as the starter opposite vjax?

Last year and the year before I made posts like this outlining my picks of the week on Rotoworld and on other Fantasy Football forums. It worked great - I simply enjoyed sharing the research and gaining some insightful feedback from the tribe online no matter which forum I posted on. It was always good to share what I thought would be the outcome on sunday and what everyone else thought...

I wish I had the time to keep up with my weekly posts but lifes gotten the best of me and its hard to even keep track of what I loved - just getting involved in debates and discussions about football. Shock, keep it up man!! - We had our rivalry in the past and thats all behind us - Keep on doing what your doing and Im sure more than just those who posted truly appreciate your contributions.

As for TitaniumMan - Your activity is what made these Forums become such a thrill for me - Although different, I respect the way you contribute to the boards as well. You go post to post and share your insight on a 1-1 basis...and thats great; its more intimate and ultimately provides answers to the exact questions that people seek out answers for. On top of that you have some great insight and last year gave me one of the most influential chats of all time...

Guys, keep up the good work; hopefully i'll be back and contributing the way I want too soon! But until then, lets just live it up and enjoy the content we are providing one another - no matter how, where or when...as long as were discussing fantasy football - I dont see anyone getting hurt.

Seriously, Its pretty obvious that Shock loves research and he loves writing about FF. I dont think he does it as a vanity project or to boost his ego and even if he did who cares. I actually like forum columns like this because if I have no interest in the writer or the content I can just ignore it. That being said, when we start arguing about the delivery method of info on this forum and the ramifications of the pseudo celebrity status of the "columnist" I think maybe we are over analyzing. Titanium man clearly you are well read and intelligent guy but you must feel at least a tinge of guilt that your eloquent dissertation on the divisive nature of forum columnist was in fact echoed by the very subject of your post with a "bingo." The mental imagery of him banging on his keyboard, carefully crafting every sentence, pouring over every word of his twofold "in defense of a Troll" thesis, making sure of the clarity of his subtext, only to find seconds before he intended to hit "add reply" that you titanium man had beaten him to the punch. Your thoughtful post was so close to his own sentiments that he had no other choice but to quote and write bingo. Your post is guilty of the very thing you find distasteful. It has given an intelligent voice to the other side. Now I am afraid we are in for a literary war of Orwellian proportion. Next time please just say something like "this post is stupid and move on."

Well...I love these threads, Shocks, Biggz, and some others, always fun to see what they are thinking. The reason, as Mr. Positive said, its not just a number by a name, they give their reasons as to why they think they should do good. Keep em' coming Shock!

Had I not been equipped enough to dispel such "guilt" with a two sentence reply that could have unnerved me, yes.

But I sought to address the validity of Speed's general complaint because I think Speed was really reacting NOT to the content, in spite of his comments, but the vehicle carrying it, which he regarded as ostentatious and unnecessary.
That sentiment has been expressed many times on many boards previously by me, other members of these boards and as echoed by Speed, made for the valid part of his observation, IMO. Only his opinion on Shock's content -and the blunt way he presented it- made some question his motives. Maybe Speed is a Troll, but if he is he sure has been a quiet one for someone whose spare comments inspired such a passionate response. Most trolls would be reveling in the turn this thread has taken.


Yet others still do not. And one can lead to another and they can be clutter-some and detract from the focused general contributions made by the membership in concert.

I have read recently other such columns. No offense to the members who wrote them, but their analysis and methodology was sketchy at best, the prose labored and predictable. Yes, if I see talent in a young writer I will often contact him if I see that I could be of assistance in some facet and help with a point or two. Larry Yocum was very appreciative of the advice I gave him and so have been others. Most of the time I will post an innocuous comment in one of the writer's threads to gauge whether the writer would be receptive to input. Going in cold with a critical eye is rarely a good call.
However, when I see someone who is clearly a man in the wilderness yet who is nonetheless pitching his tent out there with puffed chest then neither I nor anyone else cannot hope to lead him anywhere: He isn't at a place where he can readily survive and the answers to the question "Why are you there then?" are apparent to many onlookers. An innocuous comment made to one of these "authors" will often be met with a defensive posture or outright hostility. No need to go further. (BTW, when you see one of these writers, or anyone for that matter, use the "Hey- It's just my opinion" as some sort of an "excuse" for a piece of analysis that pales in the light of reason, that person is full of hot gas. Yeah, it's all just "opinion". But there is good, well reasoned quality opinion that can be backed up and there is blind conjecture that vaporizes like a vampire when exposed to the harsh light of critical examination.)

As for Shock, he's a solid analyst working on his voice, his range. (Here I actually address something Shock said in his post directed my way but it's germane here.) As he has upgraded his material this season and continues to go forward my only advice to him would be mostly stylistic in construct and nature and not necessarily needed by him at all, as time usually has a way of working such things out.

I would also blanket advise any good columnist with truly original notions and well constructed templates to post them on his own site or a site that allows for him to retain the rights to his intellectual property before first publishing the material on a fantasy sports website owned by someone (or someones) else. Trust me on that. Do it.

What if EVERYONE who posted in any thread on any given topic felt his musings on the subject deserved their own thread, 2B? Carry that ludicrous proposition to its inevitable conclusion. Believe me, there was a point when such a phenomenon began and changes were put in motion to discourage the phenomenon (the reason why we have ranking columns and why the WW thread is pinned).

I cannot agree that just because a member takes the time to research (hopefully) and/or write (most definitely) their touts out in long column form that they should be indulged. You apparently- and fortunately- missed out on or don't recall the disasters of the past. 2B, one leads to another and that to another and another still. One member sees praise heaped upon another "fellow" member and decides "Hell, I can do THAT!" whether they can or not.
So, you grant that it "may or may not be good" and you don't see the big deal in the fact that you might have to start sorting through all the vanity projects to find information that you actually want to read or analysis that could actually prove some use to you? No thanks. I don't want to hit page two if I don't have to. The Main Page is for topical information, not Jimmy-Joe-Jazz-Bag's latest Waiver column.

Even when I routinely contributed analysis to this site I never, ever wrote my "own" waiver wire or draft kit columns. Hell, I put my IDP analysis in the general IDP Threads and everyone familiar with my work knows my contribution in that arena. I didn't need to post my own threads for forum members to find and appreciate my content and solicit my opinion directly. And so much so that I had trouble keeping up (as I imagine Shock has now). I did not need to set myself apart from Timmah!, MentalAcumen, Biggz and others in order to get my analysis to the members and I never felt as if I was competing against them, even when my advice's dad beat up their advice's dad.

If a member the quality of Shock posts in the General Waiver Wire Thread it flatters the thread and raises the bar for the other contributors as well. Some members might feel compelled to match his level of insight. New members or surfers might tune into the thread more often to see if more members of Shock's quality contribute.

On the flip-side, others might ignore the general thread ad just wait around for Shock to post his thoughts. Not begrudging them, mind you, we can look wherever we want for advice nd content. But in such cases some reasonable or even outstanding analysis or info goes unread.

While I understand you feeling that Shock's columns have merit that sets them apart I cannot see that they have to or should stand alone, except in those cases where they differ in subject than a WW or Breakout form.
This is my opinion, yes. But it is a learned, experienced opinion born of witnessing the dark side of the "Message Board As Column Collage" phenomenon.




Never said all such posters were ego-centric. Many different motives, many different ends.

How do we determine intent, 2B?
I have a superior eye. I am not afraid to say that. I can recognize real talent and real analysis.
I can also recognize both a hack and a plagiarist.
Usually it is THOSE sorts who post purely for ego's sake, not the sort with the thought and talent to craft a commendable, readable piece.

And yet, if you try to demonstrate the fact the column emperor has no clothes all of a sudden other members are attacking you for "picking on the guy" and being "angry". There was a case here of one such member, a cat who proved to be himself very rude to other members, who, judging from his rappings, had simply woken up one day and said "I think I'll be a Fantasy Sports Writer Expert Guy".
Bad enough.
It got worse.
There were people who began to champion this guy and took it upon themselves to "defend" him from anyone wanting to point out that his observations held slightly less weight than helium.
And here's the kicker: They championed or defended him simply because he wrote his extremely poorly reasoned- or no-reason at all- thoughts in column form! What happened to the forum being a place where we could freely exchange opposing viewpoints, highly critical of each other? (And some actually thought there was rationale behind his material, despite the evidence to the contrary, and many gave him credence, awarded it to him like a prize, like "Everybody Gets A Trophy Day" because he "took the time" to write a column. ?!? I remember once when he made a spectacularly obvious horrid gaffe and was exposed another member posted something in the gist of "My gawd- You really don't know what you're talking about at all! And I've been following your advice!")

It created a divisive and bitter atmosphere in an environment where critical thought should be appreciated and fearlessly exchanged.
Should all of us who had issues with this and other members have simply not responded to the column pollution? Not on your life. This is our board to share. The exceptions to the rule should not a new rule make.



For dog'ssakes why? This isn't "Fantasy Sports Writing University". It's a message board where we should all be free to exchange ideas and criticize each other within reason.

There is one last phenomenon that I haven't addressed: Guys who write THEIR weekly column threads attacking the OTHER guys. Haven't seen it happen this year yet but it has happened EVERY YEAR to date. And with the "columns" appearing more frequently it's probably not long in recurring.
I have no problem with "Specialty" columns. But I see no reason for additional "WW/Hot Add/Breakout" threads. We have those threads, 2B, and the contributions of our better members can only make the threads stronger and better and superior to the similar aggregate offerings on other sites. That quality "Group Effort" is in fact what set Rotoworld apart from other forums and made it the place I hung out and contributed to.

I have made it clear that I appreciate Shock and Jupe. If I was in charge of determining content, the EIC of the RWF, I'd greenlight their threads. But I think it is best for the board if there "shared subject" posts were posted in the "general" threads for those topics. It makes for both a healthy and cohesive board.

I tuned out after about the second sentence. I skimmed the rest though. I think I got the main idea.
I do find it funny that the guy who proclaims "This isn't Fantasy Sports Witing University" clogs up way more space in these threads than any other poster. Who has time to read all this useless banter. And, while you think this (see: your post above) is okay, theads like these take up too much space? I hope you see the irony.

This message board caters to all types. I don't understand the "elitists" who want to tell everyone what's best for the board. You said it used to be another way? I'm guessing the problem took care of itself. If someone's writing and no one posts/enjoys it, they'll stop. The people decide what works here and what doesn't. For the people who think these take up too much space, start your own message board with your own rules.

Not sure i see whats wrong with posting a thoughtful big picture post about creating and maintaining a better board. I know i for one appreciate order and organization of information. That saves me time. I appreciate thoughtful insights into players and their evolving status. All TM is saying is if thoughtful insightful people posted those thoughts into the player's or other contextual threads the overall quality and organization of the board improves. Not taking anything away from Shock, but I agree with that sentiment.

I ask the moderating team to allow me this statement, as I feel it is within my right as a poster here and in fact the tact I should have always used in such cases. I am not now, nor will I again, post in the manner that had me on the brink of Siberia. I am sorry that I have contributed this thread to going off-topic but at the same time the latter half of it deserves to be discussed as a topic in its own right and grew organically. Thanks.

2B-
Sorry if my response challenges your attention span. But while your pithy remarks are brief, the subtext and implications of your attacks go on for days and need to be addressed. And this time I will not trade like-for-like.

I am certainly not against the best posters creating column threads that do not pertain to common themes (true, of the two writers in question Jupiterhawks contributes more of these). So I am not condemning all "articles" as threads here. I am quite specific and quite have a point about it.
If the column phenomenon of the past wasn't a problem a brand new set of Forums, the Rankings Forums, would not have been created.
Rankings threads are similar to Waiver Wire threads in nature. Therefore it makes sense to classify them similarly. Establishing a single rankings thread wasn't feasible, but Weekly Waiver Wire columns have always worked.
EXAMPLE: In the baseball Forum every WW post made outside the Sticky is edited into it. Case closed.
EXCEPT: The reason it was never an issue is because no one the quality of Shock was posting outside the thread so naturally there was no hue and cry from members that wanted to see the threads remain separate.

I wonder if through your "scanning" you came to notice the praise I gave Shock and Jupe. If you did you sure haven't acknowledged it. And you might notice too if you cared to address any point of real substance that, to reiterate, I am only saying that their common topics, their shared topics columns be contributed to the board's main threads.

Why? Because besides the fact it makes everyone's material accessible with ONE CLICK, the truth is that anyone can write a WW/HotAdd/Breakout piece, and given an excuse, many will.
That is the sort of "column thread" that becomes "viral".
That I would rather not see copycats littering the main page with like columns makes me a bad guy?
Give me a break.

Now, you think that making an ad hominen attack, as you and others have in the past, and engaging in a personality based "back-and-forth" is the way to go here.
Really? When has that worked in the past? When has that promoted a greater understanding of any issue in here or anywhere for that matter?
It's a bullying tactic, plain and simple. Real simple. It's obfuscatory.

You don't just admit, you proudly proclaim that you didn't even try to understand what I wrote simply because of the thorough way, and lengthy way I presented it.
That "argument technique" has no value on any level but the visceral. No substance, all attitude.
You aren't responding to any salient point I might have made. (Just like the goofball who responded to my post in which I simply stated I indeed review game film with the gist of "No you don't!". Good one!) You are simply attacking me on a personal level, as others have done for the same goofy reason: I have presented a view with which you do not agree in an authoritative manner and you resent that, even if I disparage no single person's character along the way. And it p*sses you off. Oh well.

And that sort of argument has no forensic value at all. It has in the past really p*ssed me off. It's weak and not worth addressing in any other manner but this.
Your use of the word "elitist" falls in line with what you have posted in your siggy and elsewhere on these boards. You enjoy unnecessarily politicizing and polarizing issues on these boards far more than I do- and that's a lot- so don't even pretend to act as if you are some sort of "bringer-together-of-people". Your act, a familiar one by now, is such that it is inherently self-aggrandizing through your "common man" persona.
So, 2B, are you sure you are not the elitist? Are you not the one who thinks his opinion the alpha-and-omega? At least in my opinion I offer up gray areas, the largest being the one in which not all columns/columnists are created equal.



I sincerely hope that Shock, Jupe and at least few other members in this forum understood my point, in spite of the hurtful twist you have put on it. I do not begrudge them their work and I have already said these forums would be a poorer place without them. I know I would rather read them than several of the current RW columnists. I hope like hell they succeed if a foray into Fantasy Sports is path they want to take because they seem like really good guys, sincere and capable of quality work.

Thank you, Z.

Agreed. And it goes here, in the "Making the board the best it can be" thread:

http://forums.rotoworld.com/index.php?show...=czar&st=60

See. We've had this discussion before. This board means different things to different people. We live with that. But if you disagree, you at least post in the proper thread.

Let's give Shock his thread back now. If he's going to make these threads, he's got to take the criticism along with the accolades, which he's stated already he has no problem with.

So, uhm, *foot swinging*, is Forte gonna break out against Cleveland? hehehe