will Griffin's departure hurt Chris Kaman's minutes? What are your expectations from him ?

I expect him to play roughly 50 games.

Call me crazy but with the talent and enthusiasm building I think he could average a double-double this year. I drafted him in the 10th round myself. I see Griffin's impact being on par with Odin. Griffin has a very raw offensive game and likely will be overmatched against big teams and rack up fouls. Between that and Camby's inevitable injuries Kaman should get a solid 30 minutes this season. More if there are injuries. Nothing not to like with a center taken this late. Nice FG%. Excellent shot blocker. Low Turnovers. And could put up 10 boards a game this season.

You are crazy.

How so? The guy has put up very solid numbers when he's been healthy.Double-Double production might be too ambitious but it won't be that far off the mark. He's an excellent rebounder and shot blocker and can bust out 20+ a game once in awhile. Would I start the guy in a one center league? Hell no. But in deeper leagues or as a backup center he's experienced and solid. I'll take that over some kid who refs are going to whistle up and is no guarantee to play 25 minutes every night.

lol yah he is. he be lucky if kaman played 15 games this yr @30min+ a game.

Come on now. I give Kaman at least 55 games

I completely agree with Green Gold on this one....I took him in the 6th round (84th pick) of my 16-team draft....just 2 years ago he was averaging 16 points, 13 rebounds and 2 blocks!! When healthy he has definitely shown that he can be productive...Camby is very injury prone and not to knock griffin because I think he is phenomenal, but he is a rookie and rookies will have their ups and downs....

I see Kaman getting 30 min. a game and averaging around 12pts 10reb and 2 blocks with good percentages

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I hope he'll get more playing time then Camby. He's younger, better maybe healthier than Camby.

2 years ago who was on the clippers? Exactly. Corey Magette was #1 scoring option 2 years ago. Elton Brand was out, the team sucked so yah Kaman got to be the #2 scoring option. This year you got Baron Davis, Eric Gordan, and a young stud named Blake Griffin. I dont see 12/10/2 for Kaman this year. Sorry.

2 years ago Corey Magette was very good scorer, we can compare him todays Kevin Martin.

Shaggy is all about health period..end of discussion..if he is healthy this year he will be one of the steals of the draft..he has put up numbers for three years now, but obvioulsy he has missed a ton of games..the question is not will he produce or does he have the talent..he has answered those..its purely and simply health..hell if he somehow played 75 games or something crazy like that he would be a #1 center no doubt about it..

That was my biggest pro argument. His career numbers show he's clearly undervalued. Health is the biggest factor with him. I am not concerned at all with minutes.

Chris Kaman will be very productive this year. Camby's nagging injuries will help Kaman get more PT.
Blake Griffin is good. He'll be a solid player too.

Kaman and Griffin will be the solid inside presence at the Center and PF spots, respectively. It'll be similar to how Kaman and Brand played together.
I see both of them being double-double machines, or close to it. they'll both get about 15 pts, 10 rebs. Kaman will get about 2 blocks. Griffin will not block much.

THe CLippers could be badass this year. Just need Baron to be healthy. Eric Gordon is gonna shoot a lot of 3's.

dont trust kaman one bit. wouldnt waste anything before a 10th round pick on him

Have you guys even watched his pre-season games? He looks like he's in good shape. Still got some moves

He is not going to be able to avg double double this year. He wont even play more than 75% of the season.

i like taking a chance on him in much better 8-cat obviously. the high TOs really put a damper on his solid production otherwise. i handcuffed him with DeAndre Jordan. if Kaman goes down your team likely would not skip a beat in blocks with Jordan.

yea your ft% might go down the toilet though.

Obviously you don't want to spend too high of a draft pick on him but when it gets up into the 100s it's a good risk/reward trade off. Everyone at that time of the draft is just a lottery ticket and you know what Kaman's upside is.

Hard to tell what the Clippers will do this season, they have quite a few players in their prime with pretty hefty contracts so it doesn't make sense to go into rebuild mode. Theoretically if they had a big year they could be a bit of a dark horse in the west.

Kaman has been going around 95+ in pretty much every draft this year. He can easily average floor values of 11-8.5 and 1.5 blocks when healthy on this "stacked" Clippers team. That's decent value for a C being picked at around 100.

Doesn't anybody remember that he Clippers were pretty good in 05-06 when he pretty much averaged a double double (12-9.6) playing with an elite top 10 fantasy pick PF at the time (who will remain nameless), and three scorers (Maggette, Cassell, Mobley). He produced as the fifth option then, the only thing holding him back is health. Besides, Baron loves dishing to Kaman!

The only reason Kaman is rated that low and not beloved is simply his injury history. And the perceived loss of PT that Blake Griffin might have on him. No one has, or shouldn't anyway, that he can't be better than someone like Biedrins who is taken 30 guys or so higher than him. If he stays healthy everyone who owns him will do a 180 on this thread. If not, well if you drafted him where he should be drafted its not going to hurt you very much at all. Little risk and high reward.

that PF you were talking about, must be Walter McCarty

i personally think the majority of you guys have it all wrong.
I say out of the trio(Griffin, Camby, Kaman), Kaman will be the most consistent and reliable player.
Griffin will be pretty solid too, but will have some rookie problems.
Marcus Camby is the one who will be hit with the injury-bug this season. Plus, he seems most likely to be traded mid-season. and if that happens, Kaman and Griffin are gold.

Kaman was an absolute top-20 stud two years ago before he went down with injury. There have to be certain circumstances that allow him to be a good 2nd center on a fantasy team:
- Camby needs to stay fcking injured
- Griffin needs to be inconsistent (which WILL happen)
- DeAndre starts fouling a lot

This also means he MUST take advantage of Griffin's knee injury and beast on every team till he (Griffin) rejoins the team

All i know is that if the fantasy gods show mercy this year with Kaman and he plays around 70 games he will be an absolute steal compared to his ADP..period.. its just a matter of health with this guy..and where he has been going in drafts his upside far outweighs the downside..especially since he has been reported in being in great shape and has no lingering injuries as of today..this is the type of pick that wins you leagues if he stays healthy..

This.

Anyone thinking that Kaman will return to that 16/13 year is delusional.
Anyone thinking that Kaman isn't easily the Clippers' best inside scoring option is also delusional.

Griffin can get his on hustle plays - O-boards, filing the wing on the break, etc., where his athleticism compensates for his lack of offensive refinement.
Camby - you just get him the first shot of the game on a straightaway 18-footer and he's perfectly happy to concentrate on boards and blocks the rest of the night.
Jordan's still just an emergency reserve chute. If he plays, start opposing Cs against him - he gave up 40+ to Bynum.

Well well well... looks like griffin is out for over a month. Kaman looks better and better.

wow, up to 6 weeks. who's going to start at PF?

and a gimpy Camby?? Come on fantasy gods, i plead to you!! Keep Kaman upright this year!!

I have a feeling this thread will become a little more positive starting after the Laker game.

dont jinx it lol

Wow thats great news for Kaman owners. I'm going to try to sell high Kaman after six weeks, I would love to keep him but last year injuries killed me, I dont wanna gamble on injury-prone players too much this year.

wow i drafted both kaman and camby- hope they can both get close to a double double for me...

it's funny how the lord works in mysterious ways.

i recall heavily contemplating picking Kaman in the 8th round, and almost decided to go with my original plan of picking Iverson at that spot instead. but, boy was i glad i went with my instinct and selected Kaman. he was just too damn good of a Center not to have been taken by anyone at that time. BPA, ATT, IMO. - decipher that. lol
and luckily Iverson was still available for me to pick up, in the next round. so it all worked out quite well.

Clearly, God wants you to win your fantasy league.

Yikes I had no idea being out 6 weeks = out for the season

well actually, the more i think about it... a broken kneecap is pretty serious. I honestly think there's a big chance we won't see him play at all this season. ala Greg Oden's 1st year.
Griffin might have to undergo the knife.
but then again, if he doesn't undergo surgery, he might not be fully healed after 6 weeks anyway. it might take him longer. if we do see him play this season, it might be the last couple months left.
sucks.
(i'm gonna have to copy/paste this in the Blake Griffin thread too. this is good sh#t.)

I have to agree that you're right about this from my medical research, but all the reports are "up to 6 weeks" - not longer.

Best player available, at the time, in my opinion?

Anyways, I'm also downing the Kaman koolaid. Stay healthy Shaggy.

you got it.
and yep, i been drinking the koolaid since 2006/07.

Have to be loving the first half if you own him. 10pts 6 boards. On pace for the first of many double double games this season if he can stay on the floor.

Hes in the best shape of his career..fingers crossed!!

double-double machine is legit.

hope he gets atleast 1 block tonite before it ends.
but he usually gets about 2 blocks per game, so i'm not worried.

Blocks will come..hes playing against some big bodies tonight..

Last pick in my draft (Oct. 10), I'll take it - looks like a steal.

got him with my last pick in the draft. i didn't even start him tonight.... but i'm still happy he's putting up these kinds of numbers. against the lakers no less.

heh... good old kaman is back. His shots look good tonight

This was exactly what I hoped I'd see from him when I grabbed him. Not sure why Dunleavy stuck with those second string scrubs for so long in the late 3rd and first half of the 4th. Clippers got put away at that point.

No blocks but with a game against the Suns tomorrow I think he'll make his defensive presence known more. Great start for the Caveman!