The homeless mans version of Rashard has come upon us all. We are witnesses

Projection:13 pts and 2 3's per gm

Jumped on him and will ride him out for 2 and a half weeks. Pouce on em before its too late

i grew up playing with this guy and played in high school with him... he's going to capitalize on this opportunity trust me. He is the type of guy who will NOT be afraid to shoot no matter the stage.. he's going to hit some 3 pointers. I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed in the starting lineup and shard moved to SF.

Pietrus and Barnes dont scare anyone. So he has a realistic chance to start at SF the whole season.

But for now he looks like the best kept secret since mustard. Everyone loves ketchup but theres mustard all alone in the corner waiting to be put on your hot dog or pretzel. They are both the forgotten ones.

mustard is disgusting, stay away from this yellow colored freak


ps supathreads must last longer than 10 days to be supathread...a ten day supathread is also known as a thread

in all seriousness, underdogger's projections are spot on with mine...i just don't agree that he will hold the position upon rashards return


and by the way, i beat the crap out of ryan anderson in grade school

I picked him up yesterday, then dropped him for A.Parker. Anderson will be a solid player during the 10 games Lewis is out and have followed him closely since being traded for C. Lee. I think he will avg 12-14 pts, 4-5 rebs, and 2 3pters per game as well.

I had a hard time swapping him for A. Parker, but as long as Delonte is out, Parker just seemed like the better stat-filler short term, and possibly long term. It was also the first game of the season (and high profile), and I was getting nervous that A. Parker would get snatched off the WW, while R. Anderson is more of a dark horse that will still be on the WW for a few more days while we get a better look at him in a starting slot.

I tried to warn you guys about this beast.

so far 14 pts and 4 3's, good %'s too

how is martell webster getting more hype than this guy? again 16 pts 2 3's 60% fg. Im tellin you his %'s are good. keeps playin like this he still will be the starter when rashard returns

why does rashard have to return

delusional

yup, cause pietrus and barnes scare everyone. 20 pts 6 rebs 5 3's. look at em go, bums

defense doesnt show up in the box score

really, thats all ya got? weak sauce. im sure the magic dont really care about d. they are a 3 pt shooting team. and dwight is the only guy that truly plays d. next...

You really think they're gonna start a spot-up shooter who can't play defense when nelson, carter, and lewis are all healthy?...like i said, you are delusional. he's a temporary pick up. a threes specialist at best.

and who else on the magic plays good d other than dwight? exactly, my pt. this is a team that shoots 3's in volume and anderson just happens to be efficient back there. he provides good %'s and get around 4-5 rebs a gm.

um shard plays the 4 which still leaves the 3 unoccupied. so u start nelson, vc, anderson, shard, dwight. its not that hard. ur d players can come off the bench.

shard could even slide to the 3 letting anderson stay at PF. it's not like rashard hasn't played SF before.

I guess we'll see. I'm 100% sure he won't start tho.

Anderson does have a chance to start at SF when Rashard Lewis returns. This isn't new to Orlando as they started Hedo Turkoglu at SF and Rashard at PF with both standing at 6"10. Now that they have Vince Carter to fill the playmaking role that they lost with Turkoglu it almost is a no-brainer to surround Dwight with two dead-eye shooters that can get their shots off on anyone because of their height. If I was coaching the Magic I'd go to this as my lineup:

PG: Jameer Nelson
SG: Vince Carter
SF: Ryan Anderson
PF: Rashard Lewis
C: Dwight Howard

You can then roll with a speedy/slashy/small type of lineup off the bench with Pietrus and Barnes. However, this is what I would do and I think Van Gundy may just want depth behind Rashard Lewis and will probably continue to start Pietrus/Barnes at SF and have Ryan Anderson (a Rashard Lewis clone) come off the bench.

You know who Pietrus and Barnes scare? Ryan Anderson.

Once Carter and Lewis return, he will be lucky to get 15 minutes off the bench.

outstanding reasoning. kudos

even with vc, anderson was starting. so i dont see ur pt

Both VC and Lewis are scorers. The lineup will need defense when they are back, not another 3-pt shooter. Pietrus and Barnes are both proven commodities, highly regarded, and likely to be higher on the depth chart than Ryan Anderson. After VC and Lewis are both back, Ryan Anderson will go back to being a role player off the bench.

Pietrus is a good defender, Turk last year was a great defender as well. The magic played good team defense last year. I haven't watched them this year, but i assume that plan hasn't changed in Orlando this off season

there is no one on defense for this team good individually. other than dwight, i dont see anyone good out there. clee was a sound defender, turk was ok but nowhere near as good as everyone makes him out to be.

insert vc who is very lazy at d. and i see no one out there who scares me as a defender other than dwight. so really theres no pt in starting barnes, pietrus etc. they can be guys used late in the gm if u need a stop. i dont see how van gundy benches anderson if he keeps lighting it up.

Underdogger, it is possible to engage in a civil discussion without resorting to the use of passive-aggressive baiting. If you disagree with someone's reasoning, please state why in a respectful manner. You obviously do not mean to indicate that you feel h_r's reasoning is outstanding. Say what you mean, instead, respectfully, and you'll find people enjoying having a discussion with you. We are missing out on your analysis, and it's something that we all would like to read!

Nomidi (and I'm guessing Underdogger by the looks of his post), I have to respectfully disagree with you. That's quite the tall lineup, and it is unlikely to hold against smaller teams in NBA. Ryan Anderson starting seems to be a situational thing, and as evidenced tonight, we also have JJ Redick to consider as a 'dead-eye' type shooter, who can play smaller. We also were able to see the defensive contributions of Matt Barnes, so a future scenario with Orlando at full-strength and Anderson starting seems problematic. You already have some dead eye scorers on the floor with Carter and Lewis, Jameer ain't too shabby either, so someone's going to need to be out there shutting down top-flight 2s and 3s, and I'm not so positive that Ryan Anderson is that guy over Barnes & Pietrus in terms of first-unit defensive needs (take a look at what Bosh did tonight - granted, he's doing that to everyone, but still - and tell me that Anderson is a defensive stopper). Anderson makes a lot more sense coming off the bench with Redick and such, where his size allows him to exploit slower 4s off the dribble or stepping back.

But I do see your point, Lewis is not a traditional 4, and as such, I think what we've seen is that regardless of who starts, Anderson has earned himself some valuable minutes in the rotation, and is likely worthy of being held even if he does lose his starter's minutes. In that sense, I do not agree with h_r's assertion that Anderson "will be lucky to get 15 minutes," though he certainly could be proven correct considering how much run the 2nd unit seems to be getting these days with a limited bench.

And I dont see your pt in a tall lineup either. Turk is 6 10 as well and started alongside with Shard last yr. Whats the difference with Anderson starting in Turk's place? Its obvious this teams good d from last yr wont translate this yr. I understand its a small sample size but their team d ranks middle of the pack this yr. Losing guys like Clee and to an extent Turk will do that. I dont understand the value of starting Barnes etc when the rest of your team does not preach d other than Dwight. These guys can be late gm replacements for D. They obv wont hurt you on the offensive side.

Turkoglu is a better defensive player than Anderson. He's a veteran in this league, whereas Anderson is 21 years old. Addionally, adding Carter to the mix negates the need for another scorer on the floor; they need defense over all else from that 4 spot. Anderson is averaging 3 boards, no steals, and .5 blocks a game. His ability to stretch the defense is great; so is Lewis' and Carter's. The argument here is that when this team is at full strength, do they need a third outside threat (assuming that we are for the sake of argument not including Nelson in that equation) more than do they need a defensive specialist? Lewis would likely get a Bosh assignment, but a guy like Barnes or Pietrus gives this team some perimeter defense that they desperately need. Anderson, unfortunately, does not.

This has been my pt on Anderson from the start. You cant argue that the guy hasnt performed well in the starting lineup. He has earned his mins and even if he doesnt start he will still see 25+MPG. Still making him fantasy worthy. Even as a starter he is only seeing 25 mpg but still valuable.

I dont really get starting Barnes or the french bum. What have they shown in their career to earn it? Instead Anderson is running with the job. And like I said before this team is known for shooting 3's in volume. Anderson is another shooter. So you would rather see a defensive specialist out there? I dont understand this. I think they would be better off keeping Anderson at the 4 and shifting Shard to the 3. Last I knew, Shard is not that bad on D. His length can cause some problems to other 3's

No idea what his future is, but I'm holding him now, and starting him this week.

Me too. I've made the mistake in the past of letting players go in anticipation of lost minutes, only to get burned. For most coaches, if you prove you can play, they'll find a spot for you to play.

And as a previous poster said, he's only getting about 20-25 minutes right now. I'd rather see him in the 2nd unit anyways, without VC and Shard, so that he can just shoot it as soon as he comes into the game.

I say Ryan Anderson holds top-100 value for the rest of the season. For shallow leagues that is probably WW fodder, but for deeper leagues, that's hard to find on the FA pool, which holds the likes of Chuck Hayes and Rasho Nestorvic and Joel Anthony...

Underdogger, forgive me if I'm misunderstanding your reasoning here, but there seems to be some sort of cognitive dissonance between what you argue and what actually is. The problem herein is that you aren't fully giving warrants for some of your claims.

"I dont really get starting Barnes or the french bum. What have they shown in their career to earn it?

By 'shown', what do you mean? And how are you defining 'earn'? What I'm sensing, is that you are myopically focused on one variable, 'scoring', and presuming that variable as correlating significantly with 'playing time' and/or 'starting.' However, I do not see it that way, and statistical analysis would tend to argue against that presupposition. In order to start in the NBA, a myriad of factors comes into play, such as: how good are you at creating your own shot, ball-handling skills, ability to shoot from long distances, team dynamics, wingspan, height, weight, speed, quickness, defensive prowess, attitude, age, experience, etc. Now, I get that you are not saying that 'scoring ability' is the only variable there is in terms of correlating to starting, but it sure does sound like you are attempting to state scoring ability has a causal relationship with starting in the NBA, and that simply isn't true. Scoring ability can be hindered by things such as age, height, quickness, as well, if you are a poor defender, and play a certain position such as the 2 or 3, and the team is weak on defending perimeter players, well, you can certainly bet you might have a career like Jamal Crawford.

So, what have they shown? That they can defend the best shooters on opposing teams. This is sort of like saying, "Out of everyone who lost their home in the flood, Person X was the one who was able to bail water faster, and thus lost his home after everyone else." I mean, we know the whole "cannot stop only hope to contain" line, and this is essentially these guys' jobs. But when we begin looking at advanced defensive statistics such as dMULT, PS, or a cumulative metric such as WP82, it's pretty clear that Barnes and Pietrus are substantially better defenders than Anderson. While Anderson may be better offensively by a good margin especially in terms of shooting ability from long distances, the question that needs to be asked is: What does Orlando need more? Another above-average long distance shooter with marginal defense, or a marginal shooter with above-average defense who can match up against the Kobes and Wades of the league? At full strength, Orlando has Carter, Nelson, and Lewis who are all very capable long-distance shooters. A fourth one, while nice, isn't as important to first-unit team chemistry than a defensive specialist. Otherwise, what you have is a modern day pseudo-version of Paul Westhead's Denver Nuggets team. OK, not really, but I think you get my point. This team lost games in the playoffs because they could not shut down opposing offenses, and specifically their best players. Ryan Anderson is not the answer to that fundamental problem. Is Matt Barnes? Time will tell.

currently, i dont have the time to analyze this 3 paragraph post . so i will get back to u in a bit. but i dont just value pts. i mean barnes will really help transform that d? i mean thats what u are trying to say. so y not run with anderson who is holding his own.

i picked up Ryan Anderson in one of my leagues, since i needed 3's badly. and the fact that Rashard is out til mid-November. that helps.

i really like it.
that is one sick lineup. you've got 4 3-point marksmen spreading the floor while Dwight Howard(the most dominant center in the game today) embarrasses the man guarding him.

i never argued that anderson is a good defender. never once. what i did say he is another threat on the offensive side. so when a guy like vc or shard go cold or both, anderson can help pick up the scoring slack. what i did recommend is for shard to shift to the 3 while moving anderson to the 4. i know anderson is slow laterally moving etc. hes just a good efficient spot up shooter. now im lookin at bp's dratings and it shows shard as slightly better than turk at this. so id move shard to the 3 spot.

for barnes etc, you are really trying to say these guys will impact this d enough to bring it up from a middle of the pack d to top 5-7? yea, im not buying it. these guys have nowhere near the impact a ron artest guy will. not only can artest frustrate his opponent but with his intensity and passion he brings, he can get other guys to buy into playing some top notch d. so im not seeing the benefit of starting barnes

i really dont mind anderson coming off the bench but i dont see how he deserves a demotion. he can be the scoring punch off the bench. the only question is whether he starts. im sure we can agree he will see around the same mins when shard returns.

Team Defense, is what should matter. Look at Houston, each of the players are not great defenders on their own, but they play great team D.

Look at this Rhino go. 14 pts 7 rebs and 2 3's at the half. Cmon guy improve your FT. 0-2 from the line. I want a 20/20 gm from ya tonite.

Check that his nickname is the:Albino Rhino. Heard it here first

Anyone else think Ryan Anderson is playing himself into a permanent role in the starting lineup? Move Rashard down to his natural position and bring Pietrus/Barnes off the bench? If they tweaked their lineup like that, it'd be better than having both Bass and Anderson compete for backup 4 minutes.

Ryan Anderson just left the game with an ankle injury.

I'm enjoying the ride right now. However, when Shard comes back he becomes ww fodder.

EDIT:I guess he's ww fodder quicker than I thought...

nothin serious. just a sprained right ankle according to the orlando paper

is he going to miss any time?

ya doesnt sound like he will play next game. this article http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orla...0,4679553.story makes it sound like bass will start for sure. bass could be a good pick up for streamers.