A few I can think of:


Buy low: J. Salmons, J. Thompson, Hawes, Calderon, C. Villanueva, J. Crawford, J. Kidd, K. Durant, Amare

Sell high: G. Arenas, C. Kaman, Melo (package for first rounder?)


Your thoughts?

After 3 games, you think people will sell low on their first rounders in durant / amare?

Gilbert/Melo is defintely sell high but nobody is going to give you their first rounder for melo if he never cracked top 20 before. Gilbert on the other hand was a top 10 pick during his prime years.



Lou william/Gallinari might be sell high.

sell high: gallinari, k martin, reddick

buy low: A jefferson, A iverson

i think i would sell high on Chris Kaman

I just dont trust him with his injuries and when Griffin comes back. However, this might be his year just like 2 years ago.

Sell High: Lamar Odom (gasol coming back makes me iffy on this guy), Kaman, Gallinari

Buy Low: Calderon, Milsap (this team is not winning with boozer in the line up n they will make a change very soon), and David West

You cant include any first rounder on either list because its a first round pick. You need a minimum of 4-5 weeks to decide a value on a guy of that caliber.

I dont think you can sell Odom high at all. Everyone knows he's only starting because Gasol is out.

Sell high: Frye, Corey Brewer, J O'Neal, Kaman, Odom, Steve Nash (just a gut feeling that his back will bother him again this season).

Buy low: Al Jeff, Nate Robinson, Anthony Randolph, Stephen Jackson

I'm actually a buyer of Frye, J Oneal, Kaman, and Nash if any owner is selling.

If I can get Frye for 9th round value I would buy

O neal - 9th round value as well

Kaman I would trade 6th round value for

Nash - mid 2nd value is what I would offer for him.

Of course if you can sell them for much higher values you have too I wouldn't look to trade them just to trade them.

I'm curious why people have Carmelo in the sell high list. But, I've been confused about where people have his value so low to start the season. I was able to get him with the 32nd pick in a Yahoo draft, and Yahoo's rank on him seems to be in that range. He seems like he has top 15 numbers, though. What's the hang up people have with Carmelo?

Yep, I've been asking the same question for the last two months. I think he's a victim of his own popularity, although people are going to tell you he's one dimensional.

Can't believe no one has mentioned Derrick Rose as a buy low. His draft position might have been a bit high, but does anyone really believe he isn't going to put up top 50 numbers.

Sell high
Nash (first round value? Take it)
Kaman (so many x factors plus a history of injuries)
Mayo (name one player that has had their best season playing next to AI. Eric Snow doesn't count.)
KMart (fragile, and doing way too much on that team)
Gallinari (although I doubt anyone will give you true high value for him. No one thinks he'll keep up this pace, but most think he'll cool off to a reasonably solid starter, which is probably his true value. Of course, there is a crazy Knicks fan in almost every league...)
Arenas (pretty sure his injuries are not a secret, but good luck)

Buy Low: Al Jeff (but only if you can buy very low. I'm guessing he'll still cost you low second round value and that's not low),
Durrant (yea, but someone might take Brandon Roy for him)
CP - (Usually, it takes a 1st and 2nd or 1st and high 3rd to buy him. If you could get him for Roy and Kaman, you would probably be advised to do so especially with Okafor back.)
CV (actually, I'd leave him alone. i don't think he's going to have that great a year.)
Salmons (the fg% has to go up)
Brand (I'm sure others disagree, but that makes him a really good candidate. He's almost putting up top 50 numbers right now)
Derrick Rose

Rose, I HIGHLY he puts up top 50 numbers.

Not sure what you mean.

err I meant to say I HIGHLY doubt he puts up top 50 numbers. Rose is overrated fantasy wise as of now.

OK, whatever you say. He was right there last season. he's a franchise player and he's shown a great deal of poise under under pressure. His injury is a concern, but if he is healthy, he'll be top 50. count it.

Sell high:

Marc Gasol - dude's averaging over 2 PPS, a ludicrous number.

Aaron Brooks, Louis Williams, Brandon Jennings - their values will decline significantly once their hot-shooting streaks end. Williams will fall the hardest, considering he's also at 7/1 Ast/TO right now, which is obviously unsustainable.


Buy low:

David West - 16/6 on 45% FG right now. LaMarcus Aldridge is another PF off to a slow start, and a little dinged up to boot. He might be available for an even lower price.

Chris Duhon - okay, his shooting sucks. But it doesn't 31% suck. The MPG are still there, despite the rumor that Douglas would threaten him. Devin Harris goes here too (32% FG), but will be harder to buy low on.

Andris Biedrins - we all know Nellie's a maniac. But even he is going to figure out one day that a guy shooting 89% deserves more than 4 shots a game.

I think he meant, rose can put up top 50 numbers

?

Rose barely cracked the top 100 by totals last year. #95 in Yahoo, #94 in BBM.

How was he right there last season? do you see outside the top 100 as close to top 50?

I didn't know there a stat for poise under pressure and being a franchise player, because those aren't stats in my league.

Rose NEEDS to show some sort of 3 point game or steals to get into top 50 range. Maybe if he moved his shooting % to 55% but scoring 20 points and 8 assist which is both pretty decent bump up from last year isn't enough to push him into top 50 range.

Seriously what stats are you projecting to get him into top 50 range? Pretty much compare him to Tony parker years over the last 7 years. parker wasn't top 50 till last year(I'm not even sure if he cracked top 50 last year actually)

Lack of 3's and steals makes it very hard for Rose to crack the top 50.

Wasn't he ranked 50th for the last month of the season last year?? I'm not sure...


Either way it is a bold statement to say he cracks the top 50, I would be surprised if he did it.

for one month sure. I have no clue if he did or not, but it wouldn't shock me. But when does 1 month prove anything? Prince was a top 15 player last year for the first month of the season but we all know he not a fantasy star.

Sell high on Carmelo. He's playing out his mind right now and I imagine there are those out there who would give up a lot to get Carmelo.

I expect the amout of touches Carmelo gets to be reduced when JR Smith comes back from suspension. Especially with how anemic their current 2 guards have been, JR should definitly be receiving a lot of minutes.

20 pts and 8 assist isn't top 50? Sure seems that way to me.

In terms of franchise player and poise, he is the guy the Bulls are built around. The team and staff all believe that if he is put in a position to succeed, the team will succeed. Del Negro's job practically hinges on Rose's progress. They are going to put the ball in Rose's hands and give a lot of freedom to work. That in turn is a lot of pressure on him, which he has shown he is capable of handling.

Tons of talent, tons of support, tons of freedom and poise under pressure. I'll take my chances with a player like that.

if hes 20 and 8 while shooting 50% thats a top 50 guy. 8 assists are a premium in fantasy ball and very rare.

While I dont see him being a top 50 guy, to say that poise and being a star on a team arent a stat is just a purely ignorant response (i know its not a stat, but to not take into consideration star power, poise, contract year, etc is stupid). Its using a guys situation and intangibles to help project his stat line. Being a leader and showing poise under pressure in last years playoffs is the exact reason I drafted aaron brooks and its seriously paying off. You cant go purely on last years stats, winning is about accurately projecting this years.

Rose is one of those players right now that is a way better basketball player than fantasy player. He'll have to work on his weaknesses, mainly his shooting range to continue to progress. He also could use his quickness a little more on defense to disrupt the opponents a bit more.

Melo may very well be the best player in fantasy right now (and the NBA actually). Obviously, I doubt he'll keep that up, but top 10 or 15 is doable for him.

When you are dealing with a rookie, 1 month means a lot. He was in college for 1 year and came out and managed to be a top 50 player for a month. That is pretty damn impressive. HE had some monster games in the playoffs (averaging nearly 20-7-7 against the Celtics)) and the team has shed Ben Gordon.

So yeah, when a kid can put up those kinds of numbers when he should be a Sophomore in college, I would say that projecting Top 50 for him is pretty fair.

It is if you play in a 5 cat league or something like that.

But when you consider he gives you nothing in 3's and blocks. Below average in rebounding, steals, and TOs. Just average in FT%, and slight edge in FG%.

He will pretty much be helping in 3 cats, but hurting you in just as many.

Fine don't listen to me, go over pay for Rose. I just don't see any realistic stat projections that would place him in the top 50 for me.

Someone in my league just traded Kidd for Jennings which might be the ultimate buy low/sell high.

No, that just stupid...

Are all the managers in your league actually just you? Gimme a break. Hope this is a joke. Actually, it's a joke no matter what, on someone.

ALT+F4 immediately from that league.


SELL HIGH:
Frye -he is ranked 2nd on BBM in standard 9 cat. And since i doubt anyone is willing to give even 3-4 RND player for him, there is very little chance you can actually sell him high. Even if/when he drops to 50-60 in player rankings i doubt you will get that kind of value for him now

L.Williams -63.6 FG%, 0.7 TO. Numbers gonna take a nose-first dive. Frye has some chance of actually maintaining his numbers but Williams doesnt. His value is gonna drop, and its gonna drop significantly. SELL

Gallinari -im a homer so ill try to be objective. 5 3PM are not sustainable but other numbers are relatively normal. 43%FG, 1 STL and BLK, 4 RBD and 3ASS. Threes will drop because teams know what he is capable but that will give slightly better ASS. And since his minutes will increase, he will have more confidence and he plays for D'Antoni so i dont see threes dropping below 3p/g. With that numbers he will be 3rd RND player. No way you can get this value for him now so i wouldnt sell)

Brooks- 50 FG% will drop and with that PTS also. But nothing too serious. I think he will certainly end top 10-15 among PGs and you cannot get that value in return now. Ride him while it lasts.

Grant Hill- SELL and SELL fast.

Mayo -he is playing for Grizzlies. That alone scares me more then the dentist. So i would sell (but then again i didnt draft any Grizzly because of this)

Marc Gasol - no matter how good his numbers are, he is playing with 4 ballhogs. I actually cannot decide if thats a good or bad thing for him. Along with that he cannot keep up his 65 FG% and 85 FT%. I would sell and try to get 4-5th RND value.

Bargnani -with all the hype he got/is getting, people dont see that he is shooting some ridiculous numbers. 60 FG% for a 43% carrer shooter is ludacris, 63% from downtown. No way he can keep it up. SELL. 3rd RND value in return.

Kaman -41 min p/g and 60 FG%. When this stabilizes he will take a slight knock on his numbers (mostly PPG but you didnt draft him for that) If he manages to stay healthy i think he will continue to produce similar numbers and end up very high in the rankings. Almost impossible to get that kind of value in return. I would keep him.

Emeka- only thing unusual is his 83 FT% which will drop unless he was touched by FT shooting God during offseason. No reason to suspect his numbers will drop. Keep him.

Brandon Jennings- same as Brooks.

honorable mentions: Anderson, Speights, Curry, Blatche, Horford, Reddick, Mike Miller

BUY LOW:
Harris, Aldridge, Scola, Boozer, Amare, Butler, A. Randolph, Terry, Biedrins, Kidd, Thompson, Baron (although i advise you not to do it), Murphy, W. Chandler, Redd, A. Jefferson, Garnett, Brand, Gasol, Millsap

*bolded ones are those i would advise

Awesome Rose debate guys, but let's move it over to the Rose thread...

http://forums.rotoworld.com/index.php?s=&a...t&p=1502162

I forgot to mention KG but I think he'll be a tough buy. Those who drafted him late probably aren't that worried and those who drafted him early aren't going to give him up for buy low value.

Just traded Kevin Martin to get Al Jefferson...I think that constitutes as a somewhat sell high buy low right?

wow.... just wow

great trade... nice work

We are all going to sometimes agree to disagree, but statements like this need to be left out of your analysis. They serve no purpose other than to change the tone of the debate towards something personal, and that is in violation of the Code of Conduct. Please, it's not your jobs to convince people of your opinion, and the sooner your realize this, the sooner you will be less stressed out over it. I don't mean to isolate TrueShoe on this, as others are starting to borderline, but let's keep the conversation civil, k?

Any further Rose discussion in this thread will be hidden. As Shameless said, take it to the Rose thread.

kidd for jennings? what a donkey move

yea, we'll see

stephen curry a buy low candidate? he's producing solid numbers right now and running the show.

You guys think Calderon is gonna be a solid buy-low? I'm slightly worried about his poor start and Turk's presence.

i don't think i'm willing to trade a top 50 player for him right now.

I actually just moved Frye for Terry..basically( i threw in Dalembert and Tyreke Evans for two other waiver wire fodders, Blair and Darko..basically it was Frye for Terry).... but i just realized sometihng tonight..Milsap is going to blow up sooner rather than later... They are losing games first and foremost..the +/-s are ridiculously in Milsaps favor, Boozer was rumored and looking to be traded all offseason and the Jazz gave Milsap a TON of dough! The writing is on the wall! Milsap will either A.) start getting near 30 minutes a night instead of the 24 or B.) Booze will be sent on a cruise soon..either way im buying Milsap right now as cheap as i can get him..offering chalmers right now..

The most guys in fantasy aren't idiots and read rotoworld. Nobody pay to many for a hot player and nobody sell his player, if he buy low.

Bargnani isn't sell high, he is a easy Top50-Player for the rest of the year. If Bosh out, and this situation would come, he is much higher a stud as at the moment.

The rookies are sell high, rookie-wall would coming.

But its a illusion the most fantasy owners are idiots. They know, don't buy high a red hot player and not sell low a Top 50-pick. If i read Calderon is buy low. Yes he is, but i don't sell him for a player out of the 50th. I'm wait. And Terry is one of the best options the last years in his categories. He is a CONSISTENT PLAYER FOR YEARS. Anybody knows it.

in that regard, i think Billups might be a good sell high too.
Billups is putting in way too many points and 3's for his own good right now. he's too old to be carrying the scoring load.
once JR Smith comes back, Billups will probably revert back to mainly an assist man with a few shot attempts.

Billups is Billups.

JR dosen't limited him. JR limited Melo of course, but Mr.Bigshot is Mr.Bigshot.

Billups numbers won't stay this hot, he not going to stay at 3.3 3's a game and his scoring won't stay at 24. But you can't really sell high because I doubt anyone would give a first round pick for billups, and well he most likely was drafted early 2nd. So there not much room to upgrade for him.