1st Half MVP

Call it

benson and rice, considering their ADP

Brees, no questioning it.

eh, i wasnt really talking fantasy here, more like real life

but we will see what direction the thread goes

Where's MJD? 640 Rushing Yards, 161 Receiving Yards, 10 TDs. His team would be 0-7 without him. What am I missing?

That's what I was wondering...because if Fantasy...Rodgers is the high scorer for standard leagues...

Plus where would the Packers be without him?

if real life, it's a tossup between brees and manning right now.

I went Peyton Manning. Better stat line than Brees (and IMO less of a running game), and is using wide receivers with french names and making them studs. The guy is ridiculous.

Fantasy is all that matters so Ray Rice and Miles Austin are the MVPS so far. If you have these 2 and picked up Ryan Moats, you will have an easy championship

What do you mean? P Manning has a higher QB rating, one less TD, more passing yards and his team is undefeated. I like Brees but you can't say Brees and not questioning it, based on their stats and considering both of their teams are undefeated.

I would have to go between Peyton and Brees. QB's of the last 2 undefeated teams. I'd give the nod to Peyton only for the fact he has considerably less talent around him than Brees does at this juncture. Also, the Saints have a rushing attack while the Colts are nearly non existent in the run game.

Miles Austin has had two relevant games. I mean then Steve Smith should be in the discussion. Let's see what Miles can do, when he gets double coverage focus now.

I thought it was fantasy mvp so I voted for Rice.

Fantasy mvp in relation to their ADP: Benson, Rice, Schaub, Big Ben

Real life - Peyton Manning hands down

Good question. Is it fantasy or real life?

I'd go both for Peyton. But, I'm in a QB heavy league.

fantasy MVP - other - Aaron Rodgers, the #1 ranked player in my league

You mean the guy that has to look at 10 options before getting smashed into oblivion? Sure, he has a brilliant arm, but it doesn't mean much team success wise, when he gets sacked 8 times a game. Much like Cutler, a better fantasy player than real player.

From a fantasy perspective, Brees is not the MVP or close in my opinion. He had two weeks in a row without a TD pass. His first two weeks were great, but he hasn't been the top QB even.

Again, I'm talking fantasy only!

My choice is Ray Rice based on his production and draft position. Even if you throw out the draft postiton arguement, he still has had a solid season rushing and receiving. Manning, Schaub, Benson, and Peterson are not too far behind.

more blanket statements....

manning. he has less weapons. the saints have a plethora.

fantasy, i'd go with ray rice.

Fantasy: MJD ~ My league gives bonuses for long TDs
Real-life: Peyton ~ IMO he is easily the best QB in the NFL

does brees really have that many more weapons than manning?

both QB's have one stud WR....the rest are just supporting garbage (relatively speaking).

addai/brown is almost even with pierre/bell.

oh yeah....manning has a better TE in clark as well.....so i'd say the weapons are just about even.

Not sure how people can call Peyton or Rodgers fantasy mvps...

they were highly touted going into the season, Peyton with an ADP in the 2nd and Rodgers going as high as the 3rd...not much value there but the production for real obviously

If we're speaking from a fantasy perspective and based on draft position I would think it would have to be Matt Schaub. I'm curious to know the ADP of Rice and Schaub for 09.

Really? Henderson, Moore, and Meacham have been there for years for Brees to build chemistry. I'd never even heard of Garcon and Collie till Gonzalez went down. Not to mention, that Addai is about worthless now. I do give the edge at TE to Peyton however. Other than that, Brees has far more advantages right now, and Peyton is still out producing him. Nevertheless, they have both been awesome.

I guess that depends on if we're speaking fantasy or real life here.

Real life - Peyton
Fantasy - Ray Rice.

Here's another one!!!: Brett Favre for fantasy and real life? What was his ADP???!!! I mean about 99.9% predicting Favre to suck it up and he's blowin it up. My magazine had him as the 26th QB to be taken, and he's 8th most in fantasy points in my league (just behind Roth and ahead of Rivers!)

1st round for Rice, no doubt about it

Schaub, i'd say 3rd/4th round...which doesn't make him an attractive choice at all this early. No value...

Wow! I didn't realize Schaub went that high.

Ya, Schaub was 6 and 8, in my two old magazines here. I mean, he was pretty damn good last year when he played.

I think he is talking about next season. Obviously no one was taking Rice in the 1st or Shaub in the 3rd rounds during this year's draft

That is my fault, I thought you were talking about next year.

Schaub went in the 6th in my 14 teamer...

I'd say anywhere between 6th-9th round depending on your league.

Same with Rice, although a few guys on roto grabbed him in the 4th and 5th

Schaub went for 45 bucks in our league. He was no sleeper. Now Ray Rice.....that's a whole nother story altogether.

Fantasy - Reggie Wayne
Real Life - Going out on a limb and saying Cedric Benson

If this is real MVP then why no defensive players?

Darren Sharper anyone?

Elvis Dumervil

Jared Allen

Rodgers-Cromartie

Write em in!

Ya I couldnt really think of any when I was making the poll

Good call on Allen and Sharper

I don't research when you post on here, and the reason I don't is because its pretty obvious to me you know what you're talking about. No worries none of us are perfect.

this thread is pointless since MJD is not a choice

I drafted Ray Rice in the 9th round of a 12 team league. And FWIW Mendenhall in 14th

Cause it's supposed to be the real life MVP

Your fantasy mvp is obviously gonna be either

1. The guy who has outperformed his adp by the widest margin

or

2. The guy on your team who you have a serious mancrush on

Real life MVP is much more open to interpretation

Where would the Texans be without AJ?
Where would the Colts be without Peyton?
Where would the Bengals be without Benson?

etc

I would suggest getting a mod to put that under Topic Description to save some confusion going forward.

Yeah, there's no reason Ray Rice should be listed as the top NFL MVP.

Definitely fantasy MVP, but not NFL MVP.

I see no real reason that it isn't Peyton Manning... the colts would be WORTHLESS without him.

Peyton should be the favorite in all reality.

I voted Rice but it was based on Fantasy.

He's my pick because out of all those names, you could have him in the 5th to 6th round for 1st round numbers. That's the kind of thing that wins you FF championships.

Schaub went in the early 4th in my 12 teamer.

I would say someone could just start a new, more clear thread since the votes are already screwed up. There could even be two threads, one for fantasy and one for real life.

for me its manning, then rice. they are #1 at their positions right now though (QB & RB)

i put brees up there too...tied w/rice. but manning is still mvp right now.

is that why he has the highest QB rating in the league? Like I said, fantasy MVP... the guy who scored the most points in the league to this point. Pretty simple formula.

It's a pretty foolish formula.

The fantasy MVP isn't the guy who scored the most points. It's the guy who most outperformed his draft spot. Getting 25 points a week out of the 25th RB selected is much more valuable than getting 25 points a week out of the 5th QB selected.