There were lots of doubters here, but if you watched the games you know. Brandon Jacobs and Kevin Jones are good for 20+ carries from here on out. They are MUCH better than the other guys on the roster. When they step on the field, the defense changes what they do.

So again ... if you own either of these guys play them. Ignore the haters. Ignore the media trying to get hits. Fantasy football axiom #1 applies: play your studs.

YEA WHAT HE SAID...play your studs, its the smartest thing to do if you dont know what to do

i forget whose sig has it, but the quote is something like "i'd rather lose by starting my studs than lose by not starting them" makes so much sense

Yep...Gore and LJ worked out real well for their owners yesterday, too, huh? and I think this is the first time anyone's called Kevin Jones a stud....

I'm not taking shots at you, jspeed, but at the axiom I used to live by. This doesn't seem like a good year to adhere blindly to "never sit your studs" or whatever variation of that theme you like. I sat Gore yesterday, and while I sat him for the wrong player, I feel good that I did so.

And I will probably sit any RB playing BAL or PIT -- chances are, they're not going to produce against these teams that consistently shut down the run. If I have a better option, I'm using it.

I sat Gore yesterday and I'm up 40 points going into tonight becuase of it.

Can I get an Amen!

I was going to sit Gore yesterday but didn't. I now have to pray to the Gods that Nick Folk explodes tonight.

grumble grumble.....didn't play Kenton..........grumble grumble....... stupid me.......

And I use to adhere to the always play your best players no matter the matchup, but I'm starting to rethink that idea.

I played Kevin Jones yesterday b/c of bye weeks and he sucked!

You had to see the game. For whatever reason, the Detroit coaches gave KJ almost no touches in the first half. In the second half, they finally figured out that playing their best guy might be a good idea. The Redskins were completely owning the Lions, but when KJ got the ball, things changed. If the Lions coaches had made the move to KJ earlier, that game would have turned out differently. Blame KJ's mediocre day on the coaching staff.

If you don't know KJ's a stud, you aren't paying attention. Watch what happens from here on out.

As for Gore and LJ etc ... the "playing your studs" axiom does not apply. STUD means you expect them to get 100+ and a TD in most games. And maybe in a particular week they are facing a tough running D. You play them anyway. In this case, Gore and LJ are still good RBs, but thier team isn't good enough for them to run consistently. They are not studs this year.

AAAAMENNNN-ahH HALLELUJAHHHHH

It depends on how you define stud. There were a lot of signs that LJ was in for a down year in 2007(for instance, his record number of carries and the loss of all pro linemen). The only reason I would have considered drafting LJ would be to trade him before the season started. And if there is one thing I learned from 2006 it was to beware the second year starter at RB (ie Caddy and Jordan). Throw in that Gore had most of his best games when Larry Allen(OG) was playing, and that Allen is on the wrong side of 35. And there were signs for Gore too. I wouldn't have called either one of these guys studs coming into the season.

LdT, SJax, and Rudi on the other hand...

But...but...I took Gore at #4 - OF COURSE I expect him to get 100 and a TD in most games! I know that's not realistic, he's not Jim Brown, but it should theoretically be possible!

By that definition, who is a stud?

First off...thanks for the phenominal advice. To sit here and call Brandon Jacobs and Kevin Jones "studs" is comical in my opinion. Perhaps we have different definitions of what a stud actually is? Enlighten me with your take on a "stud."

What a surprise!!! You have Brandon Jacobs and Kevin Jones on your team! So what is this, the 3rd year in a row that Kevin Jones cant touch 4 ypc? Both of these backs are RB2's....not studs. IMO of course....

i didnt even see your post yet - we are in sync with our thoughts too often pal - except for Tom Brady

Kevin Jones - 48 RuYd, 17 ReYd
Brandon Jacobs 100 RuYd, RuTD, FL

Yeah that looks like two studd performances right there.

Brandon Jacobs how now had one decent game his is career. Let not annoint him the fantasy player of the year yet.

hahaha...you'll come around. Unless you're, like, dating Bridget Moynihan or something....

huh??? 100+ total yards, rushing yards?? I think your getting way too ahead of yourself cause Jacobs had a good game....this guy has not proven that he is a "stud" by any means - just b/c he's 6 foot 5 and barrels over people, doesnt make him a stud. Temper your expectations my friend, cause your setting yourself up for a huge letdown with these 2......

A-Pete in 2 years.

next year - heck this year!!

allaboutallday

you told me so?!

you didnt tell me nothing!

B. Jacobs a stud? well, STUD's dont fumble.........

Like I said, you're not paying attention.

Last year in his first year in the Mike Martz offense, and playing behind the most banged up line in the league, KJ went for 1200 combined yards and 8 TDs in 12 games. As I said earlier, my definition of a stud is a guy that you expect to go for 100 and TD in every game. KJ fits that description.

Everyone fumbles. Jacobs had a good game against a D that has been getting lit up fantasy wise, he hasn't proven a great deal yet but there's definitely the potential there for him being a nice RB2 this year. Stud is taking it too far for him and Jones though and I have both of them.

When using the names Kevin Jones and Brandon Jacobs the word "potential" should be an adjective used in front of "stud".
Gimme three consistent games and I'll brand them studs for the time being.
I do like them both moving forward.

they are not supposed to fumble when i need every point i can get!

but in all seriousness, i probably reached on jacobs in the 2nd round, because i thought he had breakout potential.

a RB2 is definately his category......KJones more a RB3 with upside. its just hard to see the Lions handing off the ball.

But i do own BOTH myself

First off, dont talk to me or anyone else here with that "your not paying attention" crap. Secondly, you still will not clarify what you mean by 100 yards each week. Kevin Jones could turn out to be a very useful rb2 in ppr leagues - hes not a great "running" back. Maybe you need to pay more attention. He's a great receving back, b/c of that offense - thats about it.

You really expect KJ to get 100 yards and a TD every game?? You have more faith in him than I do...He's not Marshall Faulk in his prime ya know...

A lot of Jones value lies in what he does as a receiver due to the fact your not going to see a lot of games where the Lions run over 20 times. I doubt Jones runs for 100 more than once or twice this year, but he may get over 100 total yards in a good amount of weeks with lines like 60 rushing 40 receiving. If he can score a TD every other game along with picking up 100 yards a week he's a definite RB2. I think those are pretty realistic expectation for him.

No, maybe you need to stop trying so hard to win an argument. Kevin Jones is not a great "running" back because his O-line sucks. He's a STUD fantasy RB because he going to rack up 100 yards and a TD in most games. Last I checked, that's all most people here care about. And by the way, those are RB1 numbers.

Let's keep the argument from getting personal please, it's a good debate, no need to ruin it with personal jabs.

why wouldnt you think KJ is good for TD per game here on out?? The last 3 years in Detroit he's had 6,5, and 8 TD's......so 11 the rest of this year seems like a good prediction if your smoking crack!!

Jones will have 5 TD's tops the rest of the year - hardly a "stud." Most people dont have stud running backs on their roster now-a-days....time shares have killed the position....

your telling me to not try so hard??? this is not hard - i mean who the hell is this guy???? telling us "we're not paying attention", "i told you so".................your a monday afternoon comedy show man. Look at the title of this thread - hilarious.

Your hoping and reaching as an owner - thats quite clear.....Kevin Jones has never had double digit TD's in a season, but he's getting 1 every week according to you? He's not even been named the starter yet!!!!

OLINES ARE PART OF THE EQUATION WHEN LOOKING AT A RUNNING BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE HILARIOUS BRO

Detroit is on pace this year to score 48 TDs. Last year they only scored 31. The year before that only 28.

If you've played FF for awhile, you probably understand that rising tide of a productive offense floats all boats.

oh sweet jesus - i'll be glad to revisit this end of year man - good luck with your boyz....

How much of that increase is due to WR play versus RB play? There's 4 guys catching TDs this year (Roy, Calvin, Furrey and McDonald)....

You don't seem like the kind of person that revisits stuff later when you're wrong, so I won't hold my breath.

Give it up for now please. It's not going anywhere.

Right now, it's mostly WR play. But as has been pointed out, KJ is involved in the passing game. Also, the running game and the passing game tend to be very synergistic. Just look at the Colts - is Kenton Keith a STUD? He is if he's playing in the Colts offense. How about Larry Johnson? No passing game means KC is one-dimensional. How about the Packers last night? DeShawn Wynn is a scrub and the GB running game has been non-existent so far, but now teams are going to play GB to pass and their run game will open up.

wow

you've only been a member since October, but i can assure you (others can attest) that i will admit when im wrong, however, with guys like you, i will also remind you of your stellar predictions.....see you in a few weeks

again, thanks for the awesome advice today.......we can totally tell your not a novice...

I dont' know that Wynn is a good example to use. Didn't he gain half of his yards on one carry?

The point is that the pass sets up the run and the run sets up the pass.

The Redskins defensed the Lions by taking away the long and medium range passes and giving up the short passes and runs. I suspect that Detroit will see this defense a lot going forward. Obviously KJ is well positioned to take advantage of this, hence the reason I'm bullish on him.

edit: Similar story with Brandon Jacobs. Yesterday his running set up the pass. And that's what the Giants (a run-first team) really want to do.

uh...didn't kj have, like, 48 yds and no scores...?

this is the same guy who said that DOMINICK RHODES could be this years Maurice Jones Drew.....

That was when it looked like Lamont Jordan might be done for the season.

Hey, do you ever make an argument that isn't ad-hominem?

Kevin Jones is a stud when healthy and gets involved in the passing game. Bell is going to be nothing but relief for Jones from here on out. Martz loves the pass but there's no way you can consistently win in this league without a good running game and Jones fits the bill.

yeah, b/c even with Lamont Jordan out for the year, Dominick Rhodes was going to put forth a season like MJD did last year. They are such similar players, age wise, teams offense, running style etc etc - another great call by you.

Nice word! Very impressed.....

Bro - your logic is the one clearly coming from the fantasy owner hoping and praying. Its not coincidence that you have no other members in your corner.....this is not the espn boards - a good amount of savy fantasy guys have disagreed with you here.

But again, thank you for setting us all straight here today -

Another Jones owner??? Good running game? Jones cant even avg 4 yards per carry on the ground buddy....he's a good ppr league # 2 back - thats it....

I think he pretty much is this year's mojo drew.....

Alright, I thought we were going to come up with a better word to use than "stud" when talking about stud players. Did I just say stud? Damn it!

Well, here's what an online thesauras gave me as alternatives:

Synonyms: knob, boss, rivet, nail, screw, protrusion, button, bump

I like knob.

"Yo, that KJ, he's tha knob!"

Sweet, knob it is!