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Jsmoov's Block Party
Maybe I'm not the most intuitive fantasy player, but I'm not sure what this new +/- stat is in the Yahoo leagues.
Tdavis20
It shows how the team does with that specific player in the game.. like if there winning by 5 points, losing by 5 points or its a tie game. Idk its really wierd haha
ChillsWills
its how the score changes when theyre in the game. its a category used in your league? i thought it was just the boxscores
danman227460
Its the latest stat to be used by Yahoo and follows hockey's style. People said that it might become a stat that can be used next year like in hockey. I personally find this stat useless in basketball because the score can change quickly while in hockey, its pretty much stable.
qbizzle
It would be stupid as a fantasy stat, but it's a pretty solid indication to see if coaches actually know what they're doing out there. If you see a player from the bench have like a +10 in only 15 minutes, while the rest of the players are -'s, then something's is wrong there.
Jsmoov's Block Party
QUOTE (Tdavis20 @ Dec 29 2007, 12:51 PM) *
It shows how the team does with that specific player in the game.. like if there winning by 5 points, losing by 5 points or its a tie game. Idk its really wierd haha


Okay, but does that take into account the amount their team is up or down when they're put in the game (if they come off the bench), or is it purely how many points the team scores or loses when they are playing?
Jsmoov's Block Party
Oh, okay. It's not a factor in my fantasy league, but I was curious about it.
ChillsWills
QUOTE (qbizzle @ Dec 29 2007, 02:56 PM) *
It would be stupid as a fantasy stat, but it's a pretty solid indication to see if coaches actually know what they're doing out there. If you see a player from the bench have like a +10 in only 15 minutes, while the rest of the players are -'s, then something's is wrong there.


its stupid only cuz players on bad teams would be penalized cuz their team sucks. the best players on the worst teams will always have a minus in that column.
danman227460
QUOTE (Jsmoov @ Dec 29 2007, 03:57 PM) *
Okay, but does that take into account the amount their team is up or down when they're put in the game (if they come off the bench), or is it purely how many points the team scores or loses when they are playing?


I think it is calculated by how much the team is up or down when a player enters a game.
ChillsWills
QUOTE (danman227460 @ Dec 29 2007, 03:00 PM) *
I think it is calculated by how much the team is up or down when a player enters a game.

no, thats wrong. its strictly based on how the score changes when hes in the game.
Thats Ridiculous
it's lame!
ChillsWills
QUOTE (Thats Ridiculous @ Dec 29 2007, 03:41 PM) *
it's lame!

its lame for fantasy purposes but its not lame for analyzing players in real-life. there's an adjusted +/- that i think takes into account players on bad teams. thats the better stat and one i wouldnt mind using in fantasy. that stat seperates the players that put up "empty" stats (like zach randolph) from the players that have a more impactful game.
Xue
It's misleading to be used for basketball because each team scores anywhere from 80-120 points a game. In hockey the scores are so much lower, around 5-6 goals total between two teams.

The best way to get any useful analysis out of +/- in NBA is to "adjust" it to a certain amount minutes. The +/- figures you see in boxscores are only a "raw" value.

Check out these two sites:

http://basketballvalue.com/index.php
http://82games.com/ilardi1.htm
Go Texans Go
Wow, i never knew that, also what is ba?
Kirghiz
It is how many times that player has had his shot blocked.
Go Texans Go
QUOTE (Kirghiz @ Dec 29 2007, 06:41 PM) *
It is how many times that player has had his shot blocked.



and ba stands for what then?
BigH
QUOTE (Go Texans Go @ Dec 29 2007, 07:48 PM) *
and ba stands for what then?


Blocks Against
Go Texans Go
QUOTE (BigH @ Dec 29 2007, 06:51 PM) *
Blocks Against



k, ty!
haloduck
QUOTE (Kirghiz @ Dec 29 2007, 05:41 PM) *
It is how many times that player has had his shot blocked.

no. it's block attempt
Go Texans Go
QUOTE (haloduck @ Dec 29 2007, 06:54 PM) *
no. it's block attempt


so whiuch one is it? at 1st thats what i thought but anything can be a Block attempt so i dunno now!
BigH
It's not block attempts. Kirghiz provided the correct definition.
haloduck
QUOTE (Go Texans Go @ Dec 29 2007, 05:57 PM) *
so whiuch one is it? at 1st thats what i thought but anything can be a Block attempt so i dunno now!

ok i am wrong ohmy.gif
Go Texans Go
QUOTE (BigH @ Dec 29 2007, 06:59 PM) *
It's not block attempts. Kirghiz provided the correct definition.



so is it Blocks Against?
BigH
Yes it's blocks against and it's a pretty meaningless stat. Getting blocked isn't any worse that any other type of missed field goal.
Kirghiz
It can tell you if someone has bad shot selection, but blocks are so few that it is hard to pick up on a trend. Besides, if a guy is shooting 40% from the field that is as good of an indicator of bad shot selection as you are going to find.
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