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ludawg23
I've never played in a 14 team league before so this will be a deeper league for me than usual.

I know there's all types of different scenerios that could happen but I have the 11th pick and I've been contemplating the WR-WR strategy as of late.

In a standard scoring league, what round would you guys consider selecting a QB? In a 14 team league, I would love to get a top 10 QB so I don't have to worry about streaming most weeks.

With the 11th pick, should I draft a QB in the first 3 rounds and guarantee a top 5-6 QB or should I wait for the likes of Hasselback, McNabb ect?

Apologies if this is the wrong forum...

dre
I've never played in a 14 team league but I don't think it would be wise to go with 2 WRs and a QB with your first 3 picks. Is that what you are thinking? What are you going to do for RBs? Go back to back in 4 and 5?
Negrodamus
I have only played in a 14 team league so I should be able to help you out. First thing, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning will go in the first round. It has always been the case since I joined 8 years ago. It all depends on what type of QB you prefer. If you want Manning, Brady or Brees you will need to commit a 1-2 round pick in order to get them. What I would suggest in a 14 team league is wait til the 5 round. You will get the likes of Matt Hasselbeck, Rivers,McNabb, Bulger etc...The last five winners of our league have come from teams with the following QB: David Garrard(2008), Matt Hasselbeck(2007), Matt Hasselbeck(2006), Jake Delhome (2005), Trent Green (2004). So you can find good value late. If you can't get the top notch QB, build the core of your team and wait til round 5+ to draft one.
ludawg23
Ok new speculation here, I was able to trade my 11th pick for the 5th pick in the draft.

Does this change my strategy at all Negrodamus? Should I take Brady here if he falls to me or go with a stud RB and then WR in 2nd and 3rd round?
Negrodamus
QUOTE (ludawg23 @ Aug 5 2008, 06:33 PM) *
Ok new speculation here, I was able to trade my 11th pick for the 5th pick in the draft.

Does this change my strategy at all Negrodamus? Should I take Brady here if he falls to me or go with a stud RB and then WR in 2nd and 3rd round?


There is a very real possibility Brady will land to you at #5 but you have to make that decision if you think Brady will put up those types of numbers two years in a row. A lot of people took Manning after his record breaking season and his numbers didn't come close expectations. You have to think that defenses have had all summer studying the Pats offense. Expecting the Pats to put up those same sort of numbers from a year ago is a big reach.

Here is your other dilema, if you do not take a RB in the first round you will be stuck taking RB's like Michael Turner and trust me you do not want that. Avoid Michael Turner if you can. He is playing behind a bad offensive line. If you take a RB at #5 you should still be able to get a solid QB i.e Romo, Palmer, Brees with your 2nd pick.

But passing up on Brady maybe too much of a risk, which is why I prefer picking at #9 in a 14 team league.
2Balls
QUOTE (ludawg23 @ Aug 5 2008, 05:33 PM) *
Ok new speculation here, I was able to trade my 11th pick for the 5th pick in the draft.

Does this change my strategy at all Negrodamus? Should I take Brady here if he falls to me or go with a stud RB and then WR in 2nd and 3rd round?


Don't go QB. You get a stud RB and will get 2 more solid RB or WR. Listen to negrodamus. No QB till round 5-6.
jdub
I'm in a 16 team keeper league. It used to be 18 until we trimmed it down 2 years ago. I love it, it puts way more emphasis on the draft. Just to let you know my strategy, I have the 16th pick (because I won the league last year), no RB keepers, and I'm not taking a RB until round 3 at least. I'm an exception though, instead of taking a 3rd or 4th tier RB, I'd much rather have a top tier WR, QB, or TE.

That being said, if I had the #5 pick, I'm taking a stud RB no doubt about it. You're guaranteed LT, AP, Westbrook, SJax, or Addai. You can easily find a serviceable QB later in the draft.

Teams started to figure out the Brady/Moss combo towards the end of the year. Not to say they won't have huge years again, but the NFL is a copy-cat league, so if one team knows how to slow them down, everyone will have a similar theory soon.

Just my 2 pennies.
LinceArmStrong
QUOTE (ludawg23 @ Aug 5 2008, 04:07 PM) *
I've never played in a 14 team league before so this will be a deeper league for me than usual.

I know there's all types of different scenerios that could happen but I have the 11th pick and I've been contemplating the WR-WR strategy as of late.

In a standard scoring league, what round would you guys consider selecting a QB? In a 14 team league, I would love to get a top 10 QB so I don't have to worry about streaming most weeks.

With the 11th pick, should I draft a QB in the first 3 rounds and guarantee a top 5-6 QB or should I wait for the likes of Hasselback, McNabb ect?

Apologies if this is the wrong forum...


i think too many people are getting caught up in the whole pre-determined round by round picks (ie, rb, rb, wr, wr, qb).....

to me, the best strategy is to adapt to how the draft is playing around you....let the other owners get caught up in the runs, while you pounce on the value picks that slap you in the face. yeah, id like to get my 2 backs out of the way in rds 1 and 2 - but im not going to take a mauricejonesdrew in rd 2 if a reggie wayne is staring at me. adapting to the draft as it happens is the best strategy to have imo...
jdub
QUOTE (LinceArmStrong @ Aug 5 2008, 08:41 PM) *
i think too many people are getting caught up in the whole pre-determined round by round picks (ie, rb, rb, wr, wr, qb).....

to me, the best strategy is to adapt to how the draft is playing around you....let the other owners get caught up in the runs, while you pounce on the value picks that slap you in the face. yeah, id like to get my 2 backs out of the way in rds 1 and 2 - but im not going to take a mauricejonesdrew in rd 2 if a reggie wayne is staring at me. adapting to the draft as it happens is the best strategy to have imo...


100% agree. What I said about not taking a RB until at least round 3 is only because I know who is being kept and who will be available when my pick rolls around. I usually just rank my top 250, and then go through and put my target rounds on those players. Sometimes it a position is flying off the board and my target is there a round early I'll take them, sometimes I get them rounds later, sometimes not at all.

I think with most teams using at least 2 backs regularly, the round by position picks don't make as much sense as they did a few years back.
LinceArmStrong
QUOTE (jdub @ Aug 5 2008, 08:46 PM) *
100% agree. What I said about not taking a RB until at least round 3 is only because I know who is being kept and who will be available when my pick rolls around. I usually just rank my top 250, and then go through and put my target rounds on those players. Sometimes it a position is flying off the board and my target is there a round early I'll take them, sometimes I get them rounds later, sometimes not at all.

I think with most teams using at least 2 backs regularly, the round by position picks don't make as much sense as they did a few years back.


exactly....
Negrodamus
QUOTE (LinceArmStrong @ Aug 5 2008, 08:41 PM) *
i think too many people are getting caught up in the whole pre-determined round by round picks (ie, rb, rb, wr, wr, qb).....

to me, the best strategy is to adapt to how the draft is playing around you....let the other owners get caught up in the runs, while you pounce on the value picks that slap you in the face. yeah, id like to get my 2 backs out of the way in rds 1 and 2 - but im not going to take a mauricejonesdrew in rd 2 if a reggie wayne is staring at me. adapting to the draft as it happens is the best strategy to have imo...


I generally agree with your logic however we all know the importance of the runningback position. If you are in a deep draft and lets say 10 of the first 11 picks are runningbacks you have to take a runningback with either your first or second round selection. Although it would be great to take the best two wide receivers, they do not touch the ball as often as a runningback.

I am currently in a 14 team league and you can start a tight end as a flex option. I have used your strategy in this case to win two titles in three years. I draft RB (round 1), WR (round 2), TE (round 3) and TE (round 4). Why? Because everyone started making a run on receivers. I ended up with Jason Witten and Kellen Winslow Jr. Either of those tight ends can put up receiver type numbers and I got away with starting Bobby Engram as my 2nd WR. So, yes I agree with your premise but there are exceptions to that rule when considering the round and position.
ludawg23
QUOTE (LinceArmStrong @ Aug 5 2008, 08:41 PM) *
i think too many people are getting caught up in the whole pre-determined round by round picks (ie, rb, rb, wr, wr, qb).....

to me, the best strategy is to adapt to how the draft is playing around you....let the other owners get caught up in the runs, while you pounce on the value picks that slap you in the face. yeah, id like to get my 2 backs out of the way in rds 1 and 2 - but im not going to take a mauricejonesdrew in rd 2 if a reggie wayne is staring at me. adapting to the draft as it happens is the best strategy to have imo...


You're absolutely right here Lince, makes a lot of sense. Will definitely be paying close attention to how the draft turns out.

I assume that either S. Jax or Addai will fall to me at #5 if the draft goes as planned.

Round 2 I will be looking for a top WR and see what happens after that.
GT Bannas
If you got the 5th pick you take one of the stud RB's hands down. Before last year the most TD's Brady has had in a season was 28. Look what hapenned with Peyton afte rhis record breaking season. Not that Brady or Manning will be busts but the numbers they put up in their respective record breaking season was the exception instead of the rule. Granted Brady never had Moss, NFL defenses will catch up.

What I do is I set Tiers of players by position. Brady and Manning are in that 1st Tier for QB. Tomlinson, Peterson, Jackson, Westbrook, Addai, and Gore are in my frist tier for RB's, and Moss is the only WR in that first Tier. So when you look at it can Drew Brees, who is a second tier QB, get you as many TD's as Brady/Manning.....possibly. And there is also a possibility that you can get Brees maybe in round 3. The second tier backs (Lynch, Portis, Barber, Grant, Mcgahee) will ALL be gone, by end of round 1 and definitely early in round 2, in a 14 team league ...GUARANTEED!!! I wouldn't wait as far as round 5 for my QB. I would get my QB, and to make sure I am getting a stud, in rds 3 or 4 in a 14 team league. I have played in a 14 team league the last 3 years and a 16 team league the last two years.
ludawg23
QUOTE (GT Bannas @ Aug 6 2008, 12:07 PM) *
If you got the 5th pick you take one of the stud RB's hands down. Before last year the most TD's Brady has had in a season was 28. Look what hapenned with Peyton afte rhis record breaking season. Not that Brady or Manning will be busts but the numbers they put up in their respective record breaking season was the exception instead of the rule. Granted Brady never had Moss, NFL defenses will catch up.

What I do is I set Tiers of players by position. Brady and Manning are in that 1st Tier for QB. Tomlinson, Peterson, Jackson, Westbrook, Addai, and Gore are in my frist tier for RB's, and Moss is the only WR in that first Tier. So when you look at it can Drew Brees, who is a second tier QB, get you as many TD's as Brady/Manning.....possibly. And there is also a possibility that you can get Brees maybe in round 3. The second tier backs (Lynch, Portis, Barber, Grant, Mcgahee) will ALL be gone, by end of round 1 and definitely early in round 2, in a 14 team league ...GUARANTEED!!! I wouldn't wait as far as round 5 for my QB. I would get my QB, and to make sure I am getting a stud, in rds 3 or 4 in a 14 team league. I have played in a 14 team league the last 3 years and a 16 team league the last two years.


So assuming I go stud RB for my 1st round pick, I'm definitely grabbing a top WR for my 2nd round pick. Do you suggest going QB-WR in 3 and 4, and then best possible value pick whether it be a RB or WR?

In this league, we start 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, TE, W/R, W/R and W/TE + DEF, K
GT Bannas
QUOTE (ludawg23 @ Aug 6 2008, 12:31 PM) *
So assuming I go stud RB for my 1st round pick, I'm definitely grabbing a top WR for my 2nd round pick. Do you suggest going QB-WR in 3 and 4, and then best possible value pick whether it be a RB or WR?

In this league, we start 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, TE, W/R, W/R and W/TE + DEF, K



Lets see....in this league you can potentially start 3RB or 5WR, WOW!!! So that puts an absolute premium on WR's and running backs. In this setup I personally would go RB-WR-WR-WR then QB in the 5th round and RB in the 6th. Your 2 starting WR must be at least (remember I believe Moss is the only tier 1 receiver) 2nd or 3rd tier; meaning T Owens, A Johnson, R Wayne, B Edwards, L Fitzgerald, C Johnson, M Colston, S Smith, T Holt, P Burress, A Boldin, and T.J Housh. For that league you MUST get at least two of these. In that 6th round spot at RB you may be able to get one of the young rookies that will get time like a Jonathon Stewart in Carolina, Matt Forte in Chicago, Rashard Mendenhall, or a Kevin Smith in Detroit.

You can choose whats most important to you in terms of RB's or recievers. But at the end of the day a top 5 RB, 3 WR's from tiers 2-4, and a possible tier 3-4 QB (McNabb, Roethlisberger, Cutler, Hasslebeck, Anderson, Schaub, or E. Manning) in rd 5 would be a sweet start.
jdub
QUOTE (Negrodamus @ Aug 6 2008, 07:35 AM) *
I generally agree with your logic however we all know the importance of the runningback position. If you are in a deep draft and lets say 10 of the first 11 picks are runningbacks you have to take a runningback with either your first or second round selection. Although it would be great to take the best two wide receivers, they do not touch the ball as often as a runningback.

I am currently in a 14 team league and you can start a tight end as a flex option. I have used your strategy in this case to win two titles in three years. I draft RB (round 1), WR (round 2), TE (round 3) and TE (round 4). Why? Because everyone started making a run on receivers. I ended up with Jason Witten and Kellen Winslow Jr. Either of those tight ends can put up receiver type numbers and I got away with starting Bobby Engram as my 2nd WR. So, yes I agree with your premise but there are exceptions to that rule when considering the round and position.


Why? Why take a low tier RB just because there was a run on them when you can grab 2 stud WR's or a stud QB and WR. Obviously wideouts generally don't get as many touches as RBs, but the top WRs you could get would likely score more TDs than the Rb's you'd be picking ahead of them. Personally I'd much rather have two top 5 players at their positions instead of two top 20 guys at their position. I'm just not buying into the "have to take a RB in the first 2 rounds to win" rule anymore. IMO following that rule just lets everyone else in the league force you into bad picks depending on your draft position. McGahee and Thomas Jones, or TO and Fitzgerald? I know who I'd be taking.
RAEF715
i hear you..now, i admit i would have taken a rb but got in to my current draft late and it autodrafted T.O...second round rolled around and the top backs were gone... so i picked braylon edwards over the likes of jamal lewis (old), brandon jacobs (injury prone), edgerring james (old), ronnie brown (coming off injury)..now im on to round 3....looks like mcfadden, thomas jones, maroney, turner, bush are there... so i'll grab one, then have a pick 8 picks later where another of them might be there, or i grab my qb or say jason witten....

QUOTE (jdub @ Aug 6 2008, 09:20 PM) *
Why? Why take a low tier RB just because there was a run on them when you can grab 2 stud WR's or a stud QB and WR. Obviously wideouts generally don't get as many touches as RBs, but the top WRs you could get would likely score more TDs than the Rb's you'd be picking ahead of them. Personally I'd much rather have two top 5 players at their positions instead of two top 20 guys at their position. I'm just not buying into the "have to take a RB in the first 2 rounds to win" rule anymore. IMO following that rule just lets everyone else in the league force you into bad picks depending on your draft position. McGahee and Thomas Jones, or TO and Fitzgerald? I know who I'd be taking.
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