bballshinobi
Feb 21 2007, 11:11 PM
Looks like his elbow... don't know how severe yet.
duluoz13
Feb 21 2007, 11:14 PM
he is literally crying, and now going off in a wheel chair. doesn't look good.
kapono?
bballshinobi
Feb 21 2007, 11:14 PM
The Miami PR person says it's his shoulder, and Wade just got escorted out in a wheelchair.
bballshinobi
Feb 21 2007, 11:15 PM
I think Payton, Walker, EJ, and Kapono will all step up but not significant enough to warrant a fantasy spot.
teamshameless
Feb 21 2007, 11:20 PM
Kapono could actually get hurt if Wade is out. It's amazing what not being left wide open will do to your fg%.
I think the guy to grab will be Walker. Miami is going to need someone who can score and Walker would be the only guy on the team that can do that. Plus he is kind of like having 2 Wades because he will take twice as many shots as Wade (and put up 10 fewer ppg;-)
rotoking07
Feb 21 2007, 11:24 PM
QUOTE (teamshameless @ Feb 21 2007, 10:20 PM)

I think the guy to grab will be Walker. Miami is going to need someone who can score and Walker would be the only guy on the team that can do that. Plus he is kind of like having 2 Wades because he will take twice as many shots as Wade (and put up 10 fewer ppg;-)
He's at least not afraid to try. I think EJ has a shot at fantasy revitilization here. This is DWade though. He may be back before the end of the game

Not seriously though.
rotoking07
Feb 21 2007, 11:36 PM
Off to the hospital.... not good
bballshinobi
Feb 21 2007, 11:46 PM
Not going to travel with the team to Dallas. J-Dub time if only he can stay healthy...
Maybe Miami will be more aggressive in trading for Mike James now.
bballshinobi
Feb 21 2007, 11:50 PM
I think Wade is gonna be out a few weeks. Kindda like Charlie Villanueva...
eddo
Feb 21 2007, 11:51 PM
i am guessing 3 to 4 weeks....
KaliKot
Feb 21 2007, 11:51 PM
with his playing style, it was bound to happen sometime. That's why I stay away from owning him
Kurupt1811
Feb 21 2007, 11:55 PM
they said he was taken out on a stretcher
i think its going to be more like 6-8 weeks. never seen wade in that much pain before
Kurupt1811
Feb 22 2007, 12:01 AM
i wonder what excuse riley is going to use so he can take another vacation until wade comes back
pagkerguy8
Feb 22 2007, 12:02 AM
time to put wade in some trade offers tonight (snicker,snicker)
obamamama
Feb 22 2007, 12:04 AM
Shaq looked awesome after wade went off.
RotoworldSteve
Feb 22 2007, 12:45 AM
I have lost Gasol, Yao, and Wade to injuries this year.
It's no wonder I'm barely hanging on to a playoff spot...
nickalero99
Feb 22 2007, 12:55 AM
I'm certainly no doctor, but having had an arm injury (cracked elbow) during a game and not needing a wheel chair to assist my walk out of the gym and to the car, I have to imagine that this is a pretty bad injury. I'm thinking separated or dislocated shoulder. Either way he will likely be out for the better part of the rest of the regular season. Hopefully he can make it back in time for the fantasy playoffs, but I definitely expect to not have him for the next few weeks.
nashuaf
Feb 22 2007, 01:47 AM
QUOTE (pagkerguy8 @ Feb 22 2007, 12:02 AM)

time to put wade in some trade offers tonight (snicker,snicker)
You joke but how about this for funny.
I was playing poker with friends and hopped online when I got home to see if I missed anything. I saw the Wade news and immediately went to cancel any pending offers I had made for Wade. While I'm on my way through the sites, an e-mail from Yahoo comes in. I see who it's from and figure I'm screwed and the guy suddenly accepted my D. Howard/R. Bell for Wade offer when he heard the news, BUT NO! He rejected it, said it wasn't enough for Wade, and countered with Wade for Howard, Ray Allen, and Gerald Wallace! Talk about a relief!
I politely posted the injury details on the league message board, thanked the guy for not actually following basketball, and politely countered with Raja Bell for Wade straight up (and even then I think I'm getting shafted). :-)
THANK YOU ROTOWORLD!!!
elemenohpee
Feb 22 2007, 02:08 AM
QUOTE (RotoworldSteve @ Feb 21 2007, 09:45 PM)

I have lost Gasol, Yao, and Wade to injuries this year.
It's no wonder I'm barely hanging on to a playoff spot...
wouldn't you have drafted Gasol already injured?
Not to take anything away but I've had Josh Howard,Redd,Ming,Tony Allen,J.Smith, and Jamison miss significant amount of time. The only one i was able to cut was allen.
too bad there isnt an IR in the NBA anymore...
JetCityPersian
Feb 22 2007, 02:10 AM
There's no word on the extent of the injury right now. It would be stupid to make any decisions on moving Wade right now.
KaliKot
Feb 22 2007, 02:28 AM
yahoo's recap says its a dislocation hmmm
JetCityPersian
Feb 22 2007, 03:15 AM
QUOTE (KaliKot @ Feb 21 2007, 11:28 PM)

yahoo's recap says its a dislocation hmmm
... then it would depend on if he caused any structural damage when he dislocated it. I've dislocated joints twice - once it was just sore for a couple weeks. The other time I caused damage and it took much longer to recover.
Just hope for the best I guess.
-Jet out
bballshinobi
Feb 22 2007, 03:36 AM
Early reports indicate that Dwyane Wade suffered a separated left shoulder on Wednesday, an injury that could keep him out for up to six weeks.
In his first season with the Heat, guard Eddie Jones missed 15 games after dislocating his left shoulder on March 7, 2001. Jones said he had to strengthen his shoulder before returning to play, then had offseason surgery to officially repair the joint. Jones said when he initially returned in April of 2001, he still felt his shoulder was weak. "Hopefully his is not that bad,'' Jones said. In any case, Wade owners should start making preliminary plans to be without his services for the next several weeks. However, it's important to note that Wade has not officially been declared to be out for an extended time frame at this point. But the news doesn't sound good.
JetCityPersian
Feb 22 2007, 03:51 AM
QUOTE (bballshinobi @ Feb 22 2007, 12:36 AM)

Early reports indicate that Dwyane Wade suffered a separated left shoulder on Wednesday, an injury that could keep him out for up to six weeks.
In his first season with the Heat, guard Eddie Jones missed 15 games after dislocating his left shoulder on March 7, 2001. Jones said he had to strengthen his shoulder before returning to play, then had offseason surgery to officially repair the joint. Jones said when he initially returned in April of 2001, he still felt his shoulder was weak. "Hopefully his is not that bad,'' Jones said. In any case, Wade owners should start making preliminary plans to be without his services for the next several weeks. However, it's important to note that Wade has not officially been declared to be out for an extended time frame at this point. But the news doesn't sound good.
The six weeks figure is completely derived from something Eddie Jones said. I want to hear the results of the MRIs they took of his shoulder tonight (if they tell us). That's what's going to tell us how long we can expect him to be out...
Tar Heel Nation
Feb 22 2007, 09:15 AM
So now that we know he'll be out a while...who's going to step up? My guess is JWill gets a few more points, but Eddie Jones returns to a 15ppg guy and Dorell Wright makes an impact. I'm thinking he might be an ok guy to get since he fills up the steals/blocks columns too?
obamamama
Feb 22 2007, 09:27 AM
QUOTE (Tar Heel Nation @ Feb 22 2007, 09:15 AM)

So now that we know he'll be out a while...who's going to step up? My guess is JWill gets a few more points, but Eddie Jones returns to a 15ppg guy and Dorell Wright makes an impact. I'm thinking he might be an ok guy to get since he fills up the steals/blocks columns too?
Doh! I just dropped Dorell Wright for Blatche (i have jamison). I think the guy on miami that will have the most improvement will be shaq. the rest will be evenly distributed over time varying from night to night.
A dislocated shoulder is distinct from a separation. your collar bone is held down by tendons. when you land on your side and the shoulder gets smushed into your body the bone goes up and the tendons get stretched or torn. thats a separation, dislocate is like Riggs Lethal Weapon. mine took 4 weeks, wades looked more severe. the worst ones need surgery... and with/without surgery there are significant chances for recurrence (see CWebb early in his career).
pagkerguy8
Feb 22 2007, 09:41 AM
not if you actually watched the game and saw how much pain the normally tough dwayne wade was in,it doesnt take a rocket sceintist to realize he would be out awhile
QUOTE (JetCityPersian @ Feb 22 2007, 01:10 AM)

There's no word on the extent of the injury right now. It would be stupid to make any decisions on moving Wade right now.
JetCityPersian
Feb 22 2007, 10:43 AM
QUOTE (pagkerguy8 @ Feb 22 2007, 06:41 AM)

not if you actually watched the game and saw how much pain the normally tough dwayne wade was in,it doesnt take a rocket sceintist to realize he would be out awhile
We didn't even know it was a dislocation when I posted that.
JetCityPersian
Feb 22 2007, 10:50 AM
QUOTE (Tar Heel Nation @ Feb 22 2007, 06:15 AM)

So now that we know he'll be out a while...who's going to step up? My guess is JWill gets a few more points, but Eddie Jones returns to a 15ppg guy and Dorell Wright makes an impact. I'm thinking he might be an ok guy to get since he fills up the steals/blocks columns too?
Williams played well when he sat with the sore wrist earlier this year.
KaliKot
Feb 22 2007, 11:00 AM
on the realgm boards some people who have contact with wade's connections say that he'll be out for 6-8 weeks
mr_clutch31
Feb 22 2007, 12:36 PM
QUOTE (KaliKot @ Feb 21 2007, 11:51 PM)

with his playing style, it was bound to happen sometime. That's why I stay away from owning him
Hey, everyone says this and I agree, but look at the injuries he sustained this year....sprained wrist b/c hinrich "pulled it", and this time it was just a normal steal attempt. These are just freakish injuries, and he got none from driving too hard or hitting the deck. I remember one ankle injury when he stepped on Nowitz' while trying to block a shot, but he came back pretty fast after missing one game or so.
I'm so surprised, btw, how he could have separated his shoulder on that play...it just looked like any tangle-up....i'm suspecting the shoulder injury he got just before the break has weakend the joint and helped cause this injury...Bah
Last note, I'm gonna pick up Dorell Wright (drop Wade if the diagnosis is correct, no P/O in my league). If you remember he was getting heavy minutes while Wade was out w/ wrist injury and that time RILEY was coaching. Dorell's minutes basically diminished when Rothestein took over the job. I think Pat likes the kid.
Skoodog
Feb 22 2007, 12:40 PM
I heard Wade broke his own arm so he wouldn't have to be embarrassed by Dirk tonight...
JetCityPersian
Feb 22 2007, 12:58 PM
I think there's an Internet version of the "telephone game" going on with Wade injury estimates right now, so these numbers don't mean much to me until we hear something official (like, from the team trainer, a doctor, etc...).
There's not much us Wade owners can do anyway.
InfamousDX
Feb 22 2007, 02:16 PM
QUOTE (mr_clutch31 @ Feb 22 2007, 12:36 PM)

I'm so surprised, btw, how he could have separated his shoulder on that play...it just looked like any tangle-up....i'm suspecting the shoulder injury he got just before the break has weakend the joint and helped cause this injury...Bah
Last note, I'm gonna pick up Dorell Wright (drop Wade if the diagnosis is correct, no P/O in my league). If you remember he was getting heavy minutes while Wade was out w/ wrist injury and that time RILEY was coaching. Dorell's minutes basically diminished when Rothestein took over the job. I think Pat likes the kid.
The way it looked... he surely could have dislocated his shoulder on that play... especially the angle his arm hit battier and battier's driving force.
And drop Wade?? I doubt Wade will ever leave the Can't Cut List....
Kurupt1811
Feb 22 2007, 02:16 PM
QUOTE (Skoodog @ Feb 22 2007, 12:40 PM)

I heard Wade broke his own arm so he wouldn't have to be embarrassed by Dirk tonight...

i heard cuban paid battier an undisclosed sum to do it
iokona
Feb 22 2007, 02:31 PM

to give you a better view on his injury...
sportsguru
Feb 22 2007, 03:27 PM
QUOTE (mr_clutch31 @ Feb 22 2007, 12:36 PM)

Last note, I'm gonna pick up Dorell Wright (drop Wade if the diagnosis is correct, no P/O in my league). If you remember he was getting heavy minutes while Wade was out w/ wrist injury and that time RILEY was coaching. Dorell's minutes basically diminished when Rothestein took over the job. I think Pat likes the kid.
I agree. But did Wright getting minutes also coincide with Walker and Posey getting their forced vacation? I suspect that with Posey and EJones in the mix this is going to be a by committee situation.
JetCityPersian
Feb 22 2007, 03:29 PM
QUOTE (iokona @ Feb 22 2007, 11:31 AM)


to give you a better view on his injury...
Yeah.. I dunno. I really get the feeling that he originally injuried it in that game before the All Star break. I know you could separate your shoulder on a play like this, but I think it was weakened. I read in the Herald that he mentioned this to some teammates, privately, before the last game.
-Jet out.
Kurupt1811
Feb 22 2007, 03:31 PM
QUOTE (iokona @ Feb 22 2007, 02:31 PM)


to give you a better view on his injury...
lol look at battier's face
obamamama
Feb 22 2007, 03:38 PM
if this is the play, you cant separate your shoulder like this. you CAN dislocate it. imunprofessionalo
bloodface
Feb 22 2007, 05:14 PM
From Rotoworld:
Dwyane Wade-G- Heat Feb. 22 - 3:20 pm et
Israel Gutierrez, Heat beat writer for the Miami Herald, says he thinks that initial reports of Dwyane Wade missing six weeks of action due to a dislocated left shoulder appear to be accurate and that the star may require off-season surgery to correct the injury.
He went on to say that the Heat are still awaiting results of more tests on his shoulder, but that Wade could play again this season after strengthening the shoulder. However, he would risk aggravating the injury if he does try to return too soon. Don't drop Wade at this point, but all signs are pointing to him being out until the final week or two of the regular season, basically bringing his fantasy season to an early end. He also said that he expects Jason Williams to take over much of the load in Wade's absence, but of course, that would require Williams to be healthy the rest of the way, which is not a guarantee.
Sudz
Feb 22 2007, 06:38 PM
Now that wade has gone for 6, Who will have more value im contemplating picking up J-Will as he returned for 18 minutes last night
He should provide me with a good source of 3's seeing as jr has gone down.
Will he have more value going forward than payton?
PhinsPhan
Feb 22 2007, 06:45 PM
QUOTE (Sudz @ Feb 22 2007, 04:38 PM)

Now that wade has gone for 6, Who will have more value im contemplating picking up J-Will as he returned for 18 minutes last night
He should provide me with a good source of 3's seeing as jr has gone down.
Will he have more value going forward than payton?
yes, I am also wondering if people think this will impact any of the forwards like Walker, Haslem, Posey.
markdash
Feb 22 2007, 07:54 PM
I would tend to think that a swing guy like Posey, Wright or Eddie Jones would have the most immediate value--they can play off-guard, which is not a position suited to players like Payton and Antoine Walker.
BobbyRutgers
Feb 22 2007, 07:56 PM
j.will definitely gets an upgrade in minutes, but u have to figure that guys like kapono, posey, eddie jones would actually suffer since none of these spot up shooters will get as many wide open looks now that wade isn't there to draw all the attention and double teams
markdash
Feb 22 2007, 08:00 PM
QUOTE (BobbyRutgers @ Feb 22 2007, 04:56 PM)

j.will definitely gets an upgrade in minutes, but u have to figure that guys like kapono, posey, eddie jones would actually suffer since none of these spot up shooters will get as many wide open looks now that wade isn't there to draw all the attention and double teams
"Suffer" in terms of field goal percentage, perhaps. But it's hard to see how their shots taken will decrease if you're removing a 28ppg scorer from the lineup.
BobbyRutgers
Feb 22 2007, 08:18 PM
no no, their shots will go up, no doubt about that
but kapono, posey, eddie thrive on being spot up shooters that get wide open looks from shaq and wade drawing the double teams, those open looks are now gone
i do agree they are worth pickups, but i wouldn't expect their stats to be affected too much
deezpac
Feb 22 2007, 08:23 PM
QUOTE (BobbyRutgers @ Feb 22 2007, 07:18 PM)

no no, their shots will go up, no doubt about that
but kapono, posey, eddie thrive on being spot up shooters that get wide open looks from shaq and wade drawing the double teams, those open looks are now gone
i do agree they are worth pickups, but i wouldn't expect their stats to be affected too much
those open shots may still be there if miami starts to run their offense through shaq like they did after wade went out last night. shaq is pretty good at finding the open shooter if the D collapses on him in the post
JetCityPersian
Feb 22 2007, 08:54 PM
Hard to speculate... the only clear cut winner is Shaq. We'll know a whole lot more as soon as this game starts.
-Jet out
rotoking
Feb 22 2007, 09:41 PM
not his offensive playing style got him hurt.. he was hurt when he was playing d
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