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  1. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    just figured I'd stop in on this thread. Argued for about 4 pages worth before the season started with several people that said Gurley "lacked the skills" to be an elite back. Also said his targets would increase which would immediately increase value, and it has. I've been wrong PLENTY in fantasy, but accusing TGIII of not having an elite, yes elite, skill set is just poor evaluation of talent. Glad I targeted him everywhere.
  2. Carlos Rodon 2017 Outlook

    100% agree with you about him getting squeezed. There were 2 separate ab's I saw where 2 of the first 3 pitches thrown were very much strikes and neither were called resulting in 3-0 counts and eventual walks. Got his pitch count up early. Glad I waited on this guy. SP2 numbers would be exactly what I was hoping for. Drafted him as my 3 and have been waiting all season for some rewards.
  3. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    Looked explosive to me on a few runs. And a catch for 12 yards. Solidifying himself as a target for me in ppr. Just feel like he's gonna provide value.
  4. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    I'm using that comparison because when you are on a team that has an inferior offensive line, your stats are not as good. That's a simple concept. Same team from 07-10, yet his ypc declined. People were calling him a bust at that point. He goes to Seattle and is an all pro. Sure his ypc were above gurleys last year, but there were 2 full seasons where his ypc was less than 4. So how is it that its comical for me to expect a talented running back who busted onto the scene (just like lynch), had a bad season last year (lynch had bad seasons year 3 and 4), to look like an all pro (like his talent) if given an opportunity to run the ball without being hit behind the line of scrimmage on more than half his carries. You guys said defenses game planned for him after the first year, I agree. God forbid a player makes an adjustment and watches film to understand the flow of blocking. Writing off Gurley as an incredibly talented player is just not fair. Put him behind the cowboys o line and zeke on the rams I bet you'd take gurley first. If you don't believe that then this argument is a waste of everyone's time involved.
  5. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    So how do you explain marshawn Lynch's career in buffalo? By your reasoning he is untalented?
  6. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    Leveon averaged 3.5 ypc his rookie campaign, so was it a good idea to go ahead and call him untalented?
  7. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    Don't remember off the top of my head but I'm fairly certain they lost key defensive players in 2016? I could be wrong on that, seems like I remember them being short handed defensively for a decent amount of games. Playing from behind is a death sentence to a rb that is never in on 3rd downs. If I'm wrong on that, are you guys telling me it was Gurleys fault they got worse? There's no way that's true. As far as advanced metrics are concerned, how many of those tacklers that were not dodged occurred behind the line of scrimmage? My guess is a large portion. It's quite a bit easier to evade after you get the handoff, not so easy when you are staring at defensive linemen before you even touch it. Want to know the reason he faced so many 7 in the box fronts? That's all that was needed to shove the garbage oline 2-3 yards back and blow the play up. I feel like you guys keep reading my statements as saying his poor seasons wasn't at all his fault, let me clarify...he definitely WAS NOT blameless. Did he take plays off? Sure he did. Did he press runs and not let them develop? Also a yes. My argument against you is that calling him untalented just isn't true.
  8. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    No hate involved here either. Obviously everyone has their own opinion, and ours differ. How can someone say that his 2015 numbers aren't representative but at the same time can argue that his 2016 is? Sure a good 4 game stretch helps, but that's how stats work. You get rewarded for great games, just as everyone is bashing his poor ones. The rams were a better overall team in 2015 compared to 2016. That's just fact. I 100% can see validity in everyone's negativity on gurley, it is surely supported and warranted. I just don't agree that he's untalented with poor vision and zero ability to juke or dodge tacklers. Those things simply are not true. I appreciate the quality and objective conversation here, one of the reasons I love these forums. I'm going to back away now and keep the thread open for other input.
  9. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    How can anyone say he isn't a great receiver? I'd like to see a percentage of downs he was in on that were passes last year. He caught 43/58 passes in 13 games in 2015 for an avg of 7 ypc and 21/26 for an avg of 9 ypc. Was also an excellent reciever in college. Has actually been PRAISED all camp for his reveling ability and how the new staff is focused on keeping him on the field for 3 downs. You guys honestly think a brand new staff is gonna hedge their bet on a scrub with no talent, weak minded, and disinterested? Coaching is a permanent carousel in today's game, I'm going to bet that they aren't trying to get an avg to below avg player more touches to save their jobs. Their is a reason he was drafted top 10 after a knee injury in a pas happy league. Again, you guys can hate all you want on him last year and of course it's warranted. But if you can sit here and look at Gurley and honestly tell me that you think he isn't a top 5 talented RB, I just can't agree with your evaluation of talent. No hard feelings, we just flat out don't, and will never agree. And I bet that more NFL associates are on my side.
  10. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    If you don't think he can juke, jump over, or straight run past you, I don't think we've seen the same explosive runs. Sure I've seen him get stuffed tons, I've also seen runs that not many others can make. Like everything else I've been saying, this is just my opinion.
  11. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    100% can see the validity in everything you've mentioned. Would also like to mention that Bell had a 3.5 ypc with a line FAR superior to LA's. And that was as a rookie that teams didn't prepare for. Obviously there's the argument of bell being too heavy then trimming down and turning into the phenom we all see now. All I'm saying is that i believe the talent gurley has can be top 5, doesn't mean he ever will be, be questioning his talent Ian just off base. Edit: see marshawn Lynch's stats in buffalo compared to Seattle. And we all respect Marshawn right?
  12. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    He also had 11 20 yard runs, 5 40 yard runs, 10 tds and 4.8 ypc in 13, yes count them, 13 games as an NFL ROOKIE. Not college. You honestly believe that type of production was a fluke? Was it the product of a good line? A good team? The last two can't be true. Like I've been saying in this thread the entire time, was his season last year a disappointment, one of the biggest. But saying he is trash, no good, or Trent Richardson is just a poor evaluation of talent.
  13. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    Agreed. There are definitely reasons for doubt, didn't mean to imply that. I'm just heavily in the camp that feels like he's a legit top 7 talent with a chance for more. Hopefully the potential starts to translate to reality more this year similar to 2015. However, I definitely know the feeing of taking a chance on a player and getting burned and being hesitant...know it all too well lol. I appreciate the respectable discussion, I've have had him as a target in my game plan for my big money league so getting the other side has definitely rounded my approach.
  14. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    You also fail to mention that Gurley was rarely in during passing situations last year. An average fan can diagnose that defensively it's time to gear for the run when he's in. Again, I'm not standing here touting that he's better than DJ or Bell, not really sure why you included that. What I'm saying now, and have been saying is that if you are questioning his ability and competiveness I just downright disagree. I'm not calling you wrong, I'm just saying I honestly disagree with you. LA was a dumpster fire last year and he's included, but saying he is Trent Richardson is a bit ridiculous. Could he turn out that way? Sure it's a possibility. But it's also at least equally the possibility he trends upwards significantly.
  15. Todd Gurley 2017 Season Outlook

    I did "literally" watch quite a few of his games actually. I love your quote of a 1002 yard receiver in Britt. You realize when you play from behind by multiple scores it's actually pretty standard to gather more recieving yards than rushing? If Britt could catch he would've probably had 1300 yards receiving. I can agree that there were at times lack of vision, probably more of him pressing to try and break the big one early. If you look at 2015 he had so many long runs, just like the rest of his career. You can think what you want, all I'm saying is if you put TGIII on the steeler, cards, or cowboys...I bet you wouldn't pass on him top 5. Now of course the reality is that he isn't on those teams so him being a top 5 back isn't a possibility more than likely. But doubting this kids talent, drive, and passion for winning is just insane to me. Maybe we just agree to disagree.