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Tony Is Dead..............

A) First episode of this season Bobby says you don't hear it when you're shot.

B - Second to last episode of this season, Tony flashes to Bobby saying you don't hear it when you're shot.

C) The entire story arc was about Tony - when Tony's gone, the arc is done.

D) In the diner, every time someone walked through the door, the perspective changed to Tony's as he looked up

E) After the last bell jingle, just as the perspective changed to Tony's everything went black and silent - as though the person whose perspective we were to shift to was no longer alive

F) The cat was a reminder that Tony killed Chris, and had Adriana killed. The cat was a reminder that Tony's a bad guy - who has it coming.

G) There was so much symmetry between Phil's execution in front of his family and Tony's last moments

H) We all know how much Godfather III ruined the Godfather movies. I think the focus on Meadow was a reference to the Godfather. David Chase didn't end it the way Godfather III ended. This time the boss gets killed.

I) Every other episode ended in music during the credits. This one had no music because Tony's dead.

J) Episode titles have always meant something. This episode's title referred to Bobby's gift of the gun to Tony. When he gave it to him he made the comment about how everything would just go silent when you were shot.

K) The ending was so incredibly brilliant. We all felt what it was like to be Tony in those final five minutes. We all felt nervous, anxious, just as he must have felt. After being absorbed into Tony's experience, we were left with silence and blackness like death because...

Tony is dead.

You make some decent points but the Chris/Adrianna one is a stretch. Of course Chase was trying to show that it was Chris coming back to the guys but how did it show that "Tony had it coming?" Come on.

The name of the episode was "Made in America." It has nothing to do with Bobby or the gun he gave him.

The ending was great and I think Tony may have ended up dead but people are reaching.

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All very insightful. Hard to imagine you guys can analyze anything other than your own fantasy squad with such detail.

Anyway - it was a decent episode. There is no GOOD way to end a series as huge as this. Somehow, it will always be a let down. If for no other reason then we all know its over for good. The only series I thought ended perfectly was Six Feet Under. By far the best ending to a series ever!

I'm not sure Tony was hit. I think it's open for interpretation. That's exactly what Chase hoped to achieve. Sometimes less is more!

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All very insightful. Hard to imagine you guys can analyze anything other than your own fantasy squad with such detail.

Anyway - it was a decent episode. There is no GOOD way to end a series as huge as this. Somehow, it will always be a let down. If for no other reason then we all know its over for good. The only series I thought ended perfectly was Six Feet Under. By far the best ending to a series ever!

I'm not sure Tony was hit. I think it's open for interpretation. That's exactly what Chase hoped to achieve. Sometimes less is more!

Good analysis. But how it ended, I can't imagine the show is over. Sure, they say it's the series finale but things can always change. They left it too open ended. We'll see something more, another season or a movie.

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Good analysis. But how it ended, I can't imagine the show is over. Sure, they say it's the series finale but things can always change. They left it too open ended. We'll see something more, another season or a movie.

The previous season was supposed to be the final season. It's more likely that a movie will be made than more episodes imo. Considering the following of th Sopranos a movie would be a gold mine. However if a movie was made how much more story can be covered since the NY Crew is decapitated losing 2 Bosses the past 2 seasons? The story plot of the movie would have to center around Tony's impending trial, but how much of a story can become of that?

I think that's it and David Chase wanted everyone to form their own opinions to what became of Tony. I think the final scene was giving the viewer a look into the paranoid world of Tony, looking up everytime the door opens, and cutting to black as if you were dead. Maybe it was the viewer who got whacked? lol

Still the greatest HBO original series to date.

just my .02

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Good analysis. But how it ended, I can't imagine the show is over. Sure, they say it's the series finale but things can always change. They left it too open ended. We'll see something more, another season or a movie.

Unlikely. James Gandolfini has been quoted multiple times saying he is relieved The Sopranos are over. David Chase the same thing. There will be no more episodes. And probably no movie (at least not with this cast).

Good synopsis:

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im going with the guy who went in the bathroom at the end, id say he killed Tony cuz they had a few cuts of those to lookin at each other n that guy looked a bit suspicious. But hey who really knows other then the Chase n crew.

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Well, the way I'm going to interpret it is that Tony got shot at the end. If you remember the scene with Tony and Bobby on the boat, Bobby says "I bet you don't even hear it when it happens. It just fades to black," so that comments probably ties in with the ending. He kept looking up to see his family arrive, one after the other. When AJ and Carmella arrived, the camera viewpoint could be considered Tony's eyes. Just as Meadow was about to walk in, black. Dead. This was the only episode of the Sopranos that didn't end with music playing as the credits began to roll.

agree with this analysis...though Chase also had this ending in case his phone rings off the hook tomorrow about a movie B) thats happening...mark my words

anyone notice the comedy in tonights episode...hasnt Lexus been showing commercials about how their cars self parallel park? Guess Meadow still has the 06 model!! lol

and, the cat was Christopher reincarnated

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I hope it wasn't a joke, because its really not funny. I've invested years of my life on this show and paid HBO some serious cash over time. I deserve to know what the outcome is if this is truly the Sopranos swan song.

Awful episode.

Sopranos never gave u an outcome in a number of scenes...thats Chases style to leave it up to your imagination.....NO ONE predicted an ending like this - typical Chase - cant believe i didnt see it coming

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Tony Is Dead..............

A) First episode of this season Bobby says you don't hear it when you're shot.

B - Second to last episode of this season, Tony flashes to Bobby saying you don't hear it when you're shot.

C) The entire story arc was about Tony - when Tony's gone, the arc is done.

D) In the diner, every time someone walked through the door, the perspective changed to Tony's as he looked up

E) After the last bell jingle, just as the perspective changed to Tony's everything went black and silent - as though the person whose perspective we were to shift to was no longer alive

F) The cat was a reminder that Tony killed Chris, and had Adriana killed. The cat was a reminder that Tony's a bad guy - who has it coming.

G) There was so much symmetry between Phil's execution in front of his family and Tony's last moments

H) We all know how much Godfather III ruined the Godfather movies. I think the focus on Meadow was a reference to the Godfather. David Chase didn't end it the way Godfather III ended. This time the boss gets killed.

I) Every other episode ended in music during the credits. This one had no music because Tony's dead.

J) Episode titles have always meant something. This episode's title referred to Bobby's gift of the gun to Tony. When he gave it to him he made the comment about how everything would just go silent when you were shot.

K) The ending was so incredibly brilliant. We all felt what it was like to be Tony in those final five minutes. We all felt nervous, anxious, just as he must have felt. After being absorbed into Tony's experience, we were left with silence and blackness like death because...

Tony is dead.

very interesting post...nice job

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I think that's it and David Chase wanted everyone to form their own opinions to wha tbecame of Tony. I think the final scene was giving the viewer a look into the paranoid world of Tony, looking up everytime the door opens, and fading to black as if you were dead. Maybe it was the viewer who got whacked? lol

I was thinking that, too. About the viewer getting whacked thing. Every viewer gets absorbed into the show, and then it just ends like that.

Though really, I think that this was a play by Chase for everyone who was predicting an outcome. Everyone said Tony will be killed, or jailed, or on witness protection. This way, everyone has a theory, there is no right or wrong answer (unless Chase ever decided to interpret the scene himself).

Sopranos never gave u an outcome in a number of scenes...thats Chases style to leave it up to your imagination.....NO ONE predicted an ending like this - typical Chase - cant believe i didnt see it coming

Exactly. As someone on the HBO board said, the Sopranos was great for being a thought provoking, unconventional series. So what better way to end it than with a thought provoking, unconventional ending.

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i just watched the episode again, and although i was outraged like most initially w/o ANSWERS, i now appreciate the brilliance in Chases script....i would have def preferred definitive endings, but at least now i can hope for a movie.....This was one of my favorite shows of all time (next to baseball tonight!!)

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One of my friends works for HBO as a contractor and I really can't say more than that because he could get in trouble. He actually saw the uncut version and it was very similar to the show so I definitely believe what he told me. I found out this on Saturday and way too many things were similar I have to believe what he saw. There were things that happened that he couldn't have guessed unless he saw the uncut version. Here's what he told me about the show on Saturday.

1) Starts out in a dream sequence with him seeing Chris, Adrianna, Dr. Melfie, Gloria, etc

2) The news starts talking about mob fighting and gang wars between the families with Tony and Phil the heads of the family

3) Tony meets with the King of the Bronx without Butchie and Phils crew there (unseen until this episode also happened in the show ) comends Tony for a great PR job and allows hit on Phil and his crew. Allows NJ crew to take over Phils business paying a larger tax to the NY King

4) FBI and Agent Harris breaks in on Carmella when she is in the bathtub (which we actually saw ) and threatens her with RICO case. They tell her they have a prized witness who is going to put a case together for them. They also tell her about Adrianna as an informant and that they think Tony had her killed. She tells them to go f*** off and they pull the trump card and tell her that they have AJ linked to a terror plot with the Arabs and the only way to save them is to help them get Tony

5) He said that Phil would get shot in the back of the head by Bennie in front of his SUV ( which was true ) and a funny scene with someone puking

6) He correctly said both Janice and Tony would visit Junior

7) Butchie gets gunned down by guys he didn't recognize in Chinatown. This is a montage scene showing Silvo's monitor flatlining

8) Warehouse blows up and FBI links it to Arab terrorists who were going to bomb the Bada Bing b/c of it's Western perversion

9) AJ tells Tony about an internet search in which he finds out about a crazy 9/11 plot involving government and high ranking officials all over the world. It is a montage scene with some BS about Soviet propoganda in the background.

10) Tony holds back from kicking his a** b/c he relates it to his crime family

11) Carmela calls Tony and asks for a family pow wow at the ice cream shop. Tony never sees it coming that his wife betrays him and he's arrested by the FBI leaving Carmella and AJ together while Meadow was trying to find a parking spot ( which really happened as well )

12) AJ comes out sobbing and looks up to see Meadow's car blow up as she is getting out ( not clear on who gave the OK for this )

13) In a montage , mob captains, mafia hideouts and mosques are raided in NJ and NY as Meadow's funeral is being held. The FBI allows Tony to watch the burial from a car in shackles and now Carmela hates Tony.

14) The prize witness is doctor Melfie. She believes she's a failure b/c she couldn't help Tony and goes into witness protection. She doesn't testify but gives the FBI enough info to tie Big Puss, Adrianna, Christopher, Tony B., and Ralphie

15) Paulie and Patsie break into Dr. Kupferberg's house and kill him suspecting he had something to do with the case

16) Years later they show Carmella working as a greeter at WalMart with Rosie Aprile as her boss. She's happy.

17) AJ runs an investigative reporting site with Rhiannon and they live in a small farm in Hudson Valley and grow pot.

18) A downsized Jersey crew is being run by the Parisi family. Paulie is in the same position

19) Tony has stage three cancer and is having dementia like Junior. He is allowed out on an escorted family visit where he gives the FBI the slip

20) Somehow Tony gets info where Dr. Melfie lives in some suburb

21) He corners her in the kitchen and disarms her as she is trying to pick up a gun she has stashed away under the sink. She knows she will die and Tony goes on a spiel about how immoral her behavior as a doctor was, how she ruined him and his family

22) She shows courage and dignity, no sense of intimidation like a true mafia head would do. She gets in his face, fears him not at all and calls him for the monster he is

23) He can't kill her and she can't kill him

24) Suddenly they just start making out and fall into bed.

25) At last both are unchained from the restrictions of career and social role. Their true desires can run free.

26) The music swells into a happy Hollywood ending and when they wake up they are Mr. and Mrs. Finnerty of Tuscon, Arizona but Christopher's silhouette can be seen skulking in the yard

27) Fade to credits and as "Sympathy for the Devil plays"

There were way too many parallels for me not to believe this was the true uncut version. I didn't believe him and he said just wait and see the show Sunday. I also heard Dr. Melfie on a talk show say she did numerous scenes for the show but didn't know if they would be in the final cut. Which would even tie into his ending that we didn't even come close to seeing. But the meeting of bosses without Butchie, Carmella in the bathtub, Phil getting shot in front of his SUV with his wife in the car and an African American puking, the pow wow at the ice cream shop, and Meadow having trouble parking were parallels to his version as well as the show. There is no reason for me not to believe him. So I'm passing this info onto you guys.

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the ending was awful. most of the episodes the last 2 seasons were awful. it was a disappointing but fitting end to a series that they turned into an emofest chick flick soap opera.

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The Sopranos has been one of my favorite TV shows of all-time. The crafting of storylines & character development has been classic. But that finale ... what a terribly disappointing way to end the saga. To create more loose ends & end on such a note is just insulting. Somewhere, David Chase is rolling around on a pile of cash laughing at us all. Eh, at least we'll always have the early classic seasons to watch again on DVD.

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The Sopranos has been one of my favorite TV shows of all-time. The crafting of storylines & character development has been classic. But that finale ... what a terribly disappointing way to end the saga. To create more loose ends & end on such a note is just insulting. Somewhere, David Chase is rolling around on a pile of cash laughing at us all. Eh, at least we'll always have the early classic seasons to watch again on DVD.

It ended like it began. Him around family. With the Sopranos living their lives.

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I don't thikn that Tony dies. I think that they just ended it like that so that everyone would want to know what happened and when they come out with a movie, everyone will run to go see it and this guy will make millions. Pure genius!

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Personally not a fan of the show and have gave it a few tries but just can't get into it, but I did here the creator in a interview say that he had new how it was going to end before he even wrote the frist episode...

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Well, the way I'm going to interpret it is that Tony got shot at the end. If you remember the scene with Tony and Bobby on the boat, Bobby says "I bet you don't even hear it when it happens. It just fades to black," so that comments probably ties in with the ending. He kept looking up to see his family arrive, one after the other. When AJ and Carmella arrived, the camera viewpoint could be considered Tony's eyes. Just as Meadow was about to walk in, black. Dead. This was the only episode of the Sopranos that didn't end with music playing as the credits began to roll.

This is exactly what I thought, however you just don't know. There is no closure. All of these arguments can be made, but unless David Chase comes out and says Tony is dead, we really heave no idea. Maybe there will end up being a movie, maybe another season down the road. Who knows, but I thought the episode itself was a letdown.

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I hope it wasn't a joke, because its really not funny. I've invested years of my life on this show and paid HBO some serious cash over time. I deserve to know what the outcome is if this is truly the Sopranos swan song.

Awful episode.

Days later and I'm still not laughing. Chase's career just might hav faded to black.

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The 'Finale' is that the show ended with Tony still in charge on NJ. But trust me, we're not done with the Sopranos. They've left the door wide open for a movie or another season.

I disagree...with all those assasins waiting in the diner for him (Memebers Only guy was in an earlier episode (Leotardos cousin), Black guys were the ones who tried to kill Tony unsuccesfully in season 2 - maybe Junior put a hit on again? When the screen went black, Tony died....remember his and Bobbys convo on the boat about how you prob never hear it coming, and then silence? Hes dead, and their will be a prequel!!

Did you all expect Tony to get loaded with bullets, and for everyone to SEE him die? A&E prob had a say in that never happening (re-run ratings)

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I don't thikn that Tony dies. I think that they just ended it like that so that everyone would want to know what happened and when they come out with a movie, everyone will run to go see it and this guy will make millions. Pure genius!

Lets not all fall in the "sexy" comment on Chase as a genius...imo, with all his loyal viewers, he kind of made the ending very hard to interpret unless you have a ridiculous memory off all the prior episodes....everyone in the diner had signifigance....remember the boyscouts as well??

Guys remember the episode where Tony got shot by Junior?? That title of the show was "Members Only" (Phils cousin who ultimately got Tony)

The movie will be a prequel from what i hear

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I disagree...with all those assasins waiting in the diner for him (Memebers Only guy was in an earlier episode (Leotardos cousin), Black guys were the ones who tried to kill Tony unsuccesfully in season 2 - maybe Junior put a hit on again? When the screen went black, Tony died....remember his and Bobbys convo on the boat about how you prob never hear it coming, and then silence? Hes dead, and their will be a prequel!!

Did you all expect Tony to get loaded with bullets, and for everyone to SEE him die? A&E prob had a say in that never happening (re-run ratings)

Actually, I believe someone from the show discounted those theories & stated that those threatening looking fellows had never been on the show before.

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