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2011 Rankings : Second Basemen

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I'm definitely punting 2nd base this year. I'm going to be doing my league on Yahoo, and Ryan Raburn has dual-eligibility for 2nd base and OF. I love that and he could definitely put up top 10 numbers for 2nd base. He usually goes from round 17 and up and I will be targeting him.

I also like Raburn...didn't realize he had 2B eligibility. Does anyone know if he's getting everyday ABs now with Damon gone? He was picked up and dropped from my team numerous times last year due to his lack of full time, but I think he could easily put up 20 HRs which is great value at his ADP.

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Anyone know what kind of speed Weeks has? Since the Brewers are gonna run more this year and he hits 1 or 2, does he have the speed to steal 20 this year or is he just a power guy?

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Anyone know what kind of speed Weeks has? Since the Brewers are gonna run more this year and he hits 1 or 2, does he have the speed to steal 20 this year or is he just a power guy?

Definitely. In 2007, he stole 25, caught 2. In 2008, 19 caught 5 (though, in more games). I'll agree that it shows a diminishing, but it also shows that if he was sent to steal more often, he could hit 20. Assuming he stays healthy, he's a definite 20/20 candidate with 100+ runs. I'd take that from 2B.

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Really good article here at fantasyballjunkie that illustrates the depth at 2B and the really linear drop-off in talent that allows you to just wait til the next round if you miss the player you're targeting in the current round.

That's why I'm not worrying about 2B this year, there are no clear tiers.

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Hey guys, new to the boards here. Any thoughts as to who's a good mid to late round option at 2nd? I had considered Neil Walker, but as he is somewhat unproven (no full season at least at 2nd), I wanted to see what everyone else thought. Anybody have any of their own personal rankings for such a thin position?

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Hey guys, new to the boards here. Any thoughts as to who's a good mid to late round option at 2nd? I had considered Neil Walker, but as he is somewhat unproven (no full season at least at 2nd), I wanted to see what everyone else thought. Anybody have any of their own personal rankings for such a thin position?

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Tsuyoshi Nishioka

Mike Aviles

Ryan Raburn (Yahoo)

Eric Young Jr. (If he starts)

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Cano is a no brainer if Hanley and Tulowitzki at SS are gone. I would pass on Utley (for age and knee) and Pedroia for his foot.

Kinsler is a player that can either make you or break you in a draft. If he's largely healthy he's a steal and is as good as Cano when you take into account his steals, but if he's out a lot, you're toast. I saw him for a week in Arizona and he's 100% healthy and he's raking in spring training and in cage work. He (along with Nellie Cruz) worked with a specialist to change their routines to lessen their chance of leg injuries. Kinsler will be leading off, so his RBI ops may go down, but his Runs and SB totals may rise. If I can get him in the 5th round, I'll pounce and take my chances. He can easily have another 30/30 year and probably a higher average to boot. He's entering his prime years now.

After Kinsler though, there's a lot of okay players, so I'd go with best available late in the draft.

If you've got the extra spot though, I like Figgins or Walker to work as a platoon with both your regular 3b and 2b. Figgy if you need some steals and you like the matchup better, and if you need power, Walker when he's facing a righty at home.

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Really good article here at fantasyballjunkie that illustrates the depth at 2B and the really linear drop-off in talent that allows you to just wait til the next round if you miss the player you're targeting in the current round.

That's why I'm not worrying about 2B this year, there are no clear tiers.

I agree, I play in a 12-team keeper league with 4 getting kept, but even if I'm the last one to take one, I still get Aaron Hill or Figgins...not too bad for the 14th-15th rounds...I'll def be drafting most of my other starters before 2B, too much value in the mid rounds to waste an early round pick on.

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Beckham | Hill | Raburn is the money teir. Value meet upside, if I don't get at least one I'll be very upset.

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raburn had only 18 games at 2B in 2010, not 2B eligible in a lot of leagues. but if he was, yes, good value since he can be had so late.

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raburn had only 18 games at 2B in 2010, not 2B eligible in a lot of leagues. but if he was, yes, good value since he can be had so late.

Yea. Yahoo! he's great. ESPN, not so much and it doesn't appear he's going to get to play any 2b soon. With Guillen slated for the DL to open the season, Sizemore or Rhymes are expected to take over. He's OF only in ESPN......

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I've talked to a lot of Tigers fans and none of them have any faith in Raburn keeping his job.

And in 2B news, I think this Utley injury halts the Cano slide that was going on and pushes him back to the solid 9th overall pick, no later.

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I had a draft last night, and with the latest injury news to Utley and 2B being thin overall, I grabbed Kinsler for my 2B. Got Raburn and Aviles late for backups

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Bill James strikes again? Predicts SEVENTY-NINE steals from Eric Young. Somehow only manages 69 runs though.

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My Top 10 2B

1. Cano

2. Pedroia

3. Kinsler

4. Phillips

5. Weeks

6. Uggla

7. K. Johnson

8. H. Kendrick

9. S. Rodriguez

10. M. Prado

Snubs: As a Phillies fan I am highly troubled by Ultey's knee issues and his age/stat regression. Also Brian Roberts is as feeble and injury prone as they come. His back is giving him issues already, so I would put money on him playing less than 120 games AGAIN.

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My Top 10 2B

1. Cano

2. Pedroia

3. Kinsler

4. Phillips

5. Weeks

6. Uggla

7. K. Johnson

8. H. Kendrick

9. S. Rodriguez

10. M. Prado

Snubs: As a Phillies fan I am highly troubled by Ultey's knee issues and his age/stat regression. Also Brian Roberts is as feeble and injury prone as they come. His back is giving him issues already, so I would put money on him playing less than 120 games AGAIN.

A. Why is Kinsler above Uggla on this list? Kinsler CANNOT stay healthy EVER. Despite his 25-25 upside he's just ALWAYS injured. And until he has a season with 130+ games played he cannot be higher then Uggla.

B. How the hell is Sean Rodriguez higher then Martin Prado? Prado should be 7th on that list. Batting leadoff on a TOP offense and has had a big year already while Sean Rodriguez has done nothing in the MLB so far in his 1 season.

C. Even Gordan Beckham should have more upside then S. Rodriguez. Beckham batting 2nd in an ELITE lineup with Dunn, Konerko, & Rios protecting behind him giving him HUGE upside for runs while Sean Rodriguez is buried at the bottom of the Rays lineup.

I just don't like your rankings at all here.

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If EY jr. gets a bulk of playing time, this guy will be pure gold.

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9. S. Rodriguez

10. M. Prado

Technically I have them ranked equally. Should be 9.a & 9.b. Rodriguez is a big IF but I like his upside @ 25 years old. Prado now 27 will score runs and hit .310 but he does not steal bases. He wont drive in more than 65 and wont hit 18 HRs ever again. Chipper wont stay healthy and Heyward has had trouble staying healthy as well which could cause lineup shuffling affecting Prado's production.

S. Rod is a stretch at 9 but I am thinking this year is going to be his breakout season if he gets the ABs. He is a serious .275/20hr/70rbi/70run/20sb threat if he can put it all together. My $.02.

As for Ian Kinsler, this year he stays healthy. Period. He is above Uggla in my book because Uggla's BA wont reach .280 again and all he gives you after hitting .265 is 30 bombs and 90 RBI. I love balanced 5 category players and try to stay away from guys who are 2-3 category studs. Just my approach, all it did was win me $1000 last year in a 16 team 5x5. But I do understand your thinking.

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9. S. Rodriguez

10. M. Prado

Technically I have them ranked equally. Should be 9.a & 9.b. Rodriguez is a big IF but I like his upside @ 25 years old. Prado now 27 will score runs and hit .310 but he does not steal bases. He wont drive in more than 65 and wont hit 18 HRs ever again. Chipper wont stay healthy and Heyward has had trouble staying healthy as well which could cause lineup shuffling affecting Prado's production.

S. Rod is a stretch at 9 but I am thinking this year is going to be his breakout season if he gets the ABs. He is a serious .275/20hr/70rbi/70run/20sb threat if he can put it all together. My $.02.

As for Ian Kinsler, this year he stays healthy. Period. He is above Uggla in my book because Uggla's BA wont reach .280 again and all he gives you after hitting .265 is 30 bombs and 90 RBI. I love balanced 5 category players and try to stay away from guys who are 2-3 category studs. Just my approach, all it did was win me $1000 last year in a 16 team 5x5. But I do understand your thinking.

1. Chipper & Heyward were injured for big chunks of 2010 and Prado still was ELITE in batting avg and at his MI position. I don't see how it's going to hurt Prado more this year when the Braves ADDED Uggla to that lineup which is only going to make them EVEN better. Their lineup is potentially top 5 this year depending on health. and they can even take some injuries and still be top 10.

2. This doesn't really give me any evidence that Kinsler is going to stay healthy. I'm with you on the whole wanting guys who are 5 category players rather then 3 but when you see how OFTEN Kinsler is hurt EVERY year....at some point it's a track record that needs to be taken seriously. And Uggla isn't just "good" at those 3 categories. He's "ELITE" in terms of his position in those areas of HR's, RBI's, Runs and frankly has been one of THE healthiest 2B's year to year in the the entire MLB for 4-5 years.

These are just my arguments and I'm not judging that you don't know how to win a fantasy league. Just fun debates and different points of view. Which makes this game so fun. :-)

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Chipper wont stay healthy and Heyward has had trouble staying healthy as well which could cause lineup shuffling affecting Prado's production.

As for Ian Kinsler, this year he stays healthy. Period.

It's funny that you call two other players essentially injury prone, and then call another injury prone player a non-injury risk.

It's obvious you're either a Rangers fan or you drafted Kinsler in the 2nd/3rd round.

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It's funny that you call two other players essentially injury prone, and then call another injury prone player a non-injury risk.

It's obvious you're either a Rangers fan or you drafted Kinsler in the 2nd/3rd round.

And it's obvious you're one of the "wait for ages then draft Ryan Rayburn" strategy guys. Chipper being injury-prone and old as dirt makes sense, although I don't get the Heyward one myself either.

You have to admit, Kinsler's got the highest ceiling of just about any of the 2B's today, IF he can stay healthy. Big IF. I got him in the 4th round of a 14 team keeper league that just started, and I'm happy with it. Don't hate if they'd rather try to fill position scarcity first. Hopefully whatever was plaguing him and Cruz's hamstrings and w/e last year are behind them.

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And it's obvious you're one of the "wait for ages then draft Ryan Rayburn" strategy guys. Chipper being injury-prone and old as dirt makes sense, although I don't get the Heyward one myself either.

You have to admit, Kinsler's got the highest ceiling of just about any of the 2B's today, IF he can stay healthy. Big IF. I got him in the 4th round of a 14 team keeper league that just started, and I'm happy with it. Don't hate if they'd rather try to fill position scarcity first. Hopefully whatever was plaguing him and Cruz's hamstrings and w/e last year are behind them.

His comments on Kinsler were in reply to me comparing him to Uggla though. Not comparing someone who would rather get a late 2B vs drafting one like Kinsler high. My Argument is that Uggla's more worth the early pick just because you KNOW he will play a full season and give you .260, 30+ HR, 90+ RBI, 90+ Runs. GUARANTEED. He's the Adam Dunn of 2B's. I bet you Kinsler has only had ONE season where he ended the season higher on player rater then Uggla and that was the ONE season of his whole career he's been healthy.

It's that simple "is it worth the risk"? And frankly I think that risk puts him 1 notch below Uggla on the list of 2B being drafted. But it's not that significantly lower so it's kind of a moot point. The biggest problem I had earlier in this thread was Sean Rodriguez being ahead of Martin Prado.

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And it's obvious you're one of the "wait for ages then draft Ryan Rayburn" strategy guys. Chipper being injury-prone and old as dirt makes sense, although I don't get the Heyward one myself either.

You have to admit, Kinsler's got the highest ceiling of just about any of the 2B's today, IF he can stay healthy. Big IF. I got him in the 4th round of a 14 team keeper league that just started, and I'm happy with it. Don't hate if they'd rather try to fill position scarcity first. Hopefully whatever was plaguing him and Cruz's hamstrings and w/e last year are behind them.

I would have drafted Cano or Pedroia but they were gone. I don't have a set strategy when I go into a draft. Although I do like Raburn as a late round value pick. Kinsler definitely has a ton of upside, but I am NOT taking the risk of my 2nd/3rd round draft pick being in and out of the lineup in a head to head league. That's terrible value IMO.

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