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A little background ...

I'm an old guy. I have been in the same 16 team 5x5 auction-keeper for about 20 years. My rep in that league has pretty much always been all pitch/no hit teams. Its deserved, I love pitching and watch countless games a year simply to evaluate pitchers and their potential. I go to minor league games to watch specific pitchers. Its the fun part of the game for me.

That said, I have enjoyed some success in identifying pitchers who soon will be or are just realizing their potential. In a competitive auction keeper league, its all about getting talent - pitchers and hitters - while its still cheap (others haven't spotted the upside) which allows you more money to spend on the established guys who everyone will be bidding on. Even though I have won the league several times, its usually been great pitching supported by some hitters getting it together for a year or two which put me into the race.

Some disclaimers -

* The opinions will be my own and there are certain to be people who will disagree - some will likely do so vehemently!

* I have been wrong on pitchers many times so my predictions are no guarantee but I have had more than my share of success so maybe my evaluations will be of value to you.

* If I do not have a strong opinion of a pitcher, one way or the other, I will say so. I pay the closest attention to pitchers on my own radar so I may have not been overly impressed with someone and therefore don't track him all that closely.

* I may not have been in a position to evaluate deep, deep minor league sleepers so your best bets will be to ask about pitchers with at least some major league experience or those with at least some hope of having an impact - good or bad - in 2008 or 2009

* Keep in mind, I play in a keeper league and evaluations could be enhanced by future value (beyond 2008) and, we don't use holds etc which means a pitcher without the potential to start or close is not someone I would likely watch closely - however, I often grab players I think could step into a starter/closer role when the opportunity presents itself

There ya go. I will do my best this weekend (Friday-Sunday) to give my opinions of any pitcher someone asks to be evaluated. Please understand, I am not trying to position myself as some roto-pitching expert or anything like that. I know the majority of roto players focus heavily on hitting and their strategy includes trying to find some solid pitching in the middle rounds of a draft so they don't have to spend loads of cash or high draft picks. Maybe I can help uncover some real value.

Maybe this will be a popular thread and people will enjoy reading the discussions it generates. Maybe it will be a bomb - I guess we'll see. Just don't take it personally if I rate your brother/favorite player/best friend a non-prospect with no upside B)

FYI FYI FYI - - - trojanmikey put together an index of pitchers covered or at least mentioned in this post. The following is that index for reference if you are looking for a specific pitcher (updated 4/30/08) Thanks trojan!

INDEX AS OF 08/12/2009

Aardsma, David - 71

Accardo, Jeremy - 24

Adams, Mike - 47

Adenhart, Nick - 4,33

Affeldt, Jeremy - 19

Albaladejo, Jonathon - 25

Albers, Matt - 33

Alderson, Tim - 23

Aldridge, Richard - 15

Allison, Jeff - 66

Anderson, Brett - 18,42,60,70

Arredondo, Jose - 15

Arrieta, Jake - 29,47

Arroyo, Bronson - 18

Astacio, Ezequiel - 29

Augenstein, Brian - 64

Aumont, Phillippe - 23,28,52,56,57,67

Backe, Brandon - 33

Bailey, Andrew - 71

Bailey, Homer - 1,37,56,68

Baker, Scott - 7,27,42,46,65

Balester, Collin - 40

Banks, Josh - 38

Bannister, Brian - 7

Bard, Daniel - 60

Barnes, Scott - 47

Bastardo, Antonio - 64,65

Bautista, Denny - 23

Bazardo, Yorman - 29,68

Beam, T.J. - 28

Beaven, Blake - 20

Bedard, Erik - 6,50

Belisle, Matt - 12

Bell, Heath - 17

Below, Duane - 30

Benoit, Joaquin - 20

Bergensen, Brad - 60

Bergmann, Jason - 11

Berken, Jason - 64

Betances, Dellin - 18

Betancourt, Rafael - 18

Billingsley, Chad - 4,49,59

Blackburn, Nick - 22,68

Blanton, Joe - 3

Boggs, Mitchell - 60

Bonderman, Jeremy - 15

Bonser, Boof - 3

Bowden, Michael - 41

Boyer, Blaine - 26

Brackman, Andrew - 28

Braden, Dallas - 3,60

Bray, Bill - 13

Broadway, Lance - 22

Brown, Andrew - 13

Broxton, Jonathan - 11

Buchholz, Clay - 3,42

Buchholz, Taylor - 16

Buckner, Billy - 12

Buehrle, Mark - 7,50

Bullington, Bryan - 11

Bumgarner, Madison - 17,44

Burgos, Ambiorix - 8

Burnett, A.J. - 33

Burres, Brian - 33

Burton, Jared - 13,48

Bush, Dave - 16

Cabrera, Daniel - 3

Cahill, Trevor - 13,40,42,54,60

Cain, Matt - 6,54

Campillo, Jorge - 37

Capuano, Chris - 19

Carlson, Jesse - 47

Carlyle, Buddy - 4

Carmona, Fausto - 4

Carrasco, Carlos - 24,41

Carpenter, Chris - 42,50

Casilla, Santiago - 18,33

Cassell, Jack - 35

Cecil, Brett - 38,50,61

Ceda, Jose - 38,46

Chacin, Jhoulys - 50

Chacon, Shawn - 37

Chamberlain, Joba - 3,59,60

Chapman, Arnoldis - 69

Chico, Matt - 25

Clement, Matt - 25,37

Clippard, Tyler - 29

Cloyd, Tyler - 64

Colome, Jesus - 13

Contreras, Jose - 30,68

Cook, Aaron - 20

Correia, Kevin - 16,67,68

Cortes, Daniel - 23

Cox, Bryce - 10

Cox, J.B. - 24

Crosby, Casey - 57,61

Crow, Aaron - 20

Cueto, Johnny - 5,24,31,61

Danks, John - 1,61

Davidson, Dave -24

Davies, Kyle - 3,58

Davis, Wade - 16,63

de la Rosa, Jorge - 10,50,52

de los Santos, Fautino - 20

Delcarmen, Manny - 18

Dempster, Ryan - 31,50

Detwiler, Ross - 14,19,38,48,67

Devine, Joey - 4,50

Diamond, Thomas - 2

DiFelice, Mark - 53

DiNardo, Lenny - 9

Drabek, Kyle- 64

Duchscherer, Justin - 23,46,50

Duensing, Brian - 53

Duke, Zach - 7, 8

Durbin, Chad - 19

Durbin, J.D. - 19

Eaton, Adam - 31

Egbert, Jack - 11

Elbert, Scott - 16

Erbe, Brandon - 6

Escobar, Kelvim - 8

Eveland, Dana - 12,26

Feierabend, Ryan - 13

Feldman, Scott - 65

Feliz, Neftali -30,68

Fields, Josh - 49

Fien, Casey - 52

Fife, Steve - 51

Figaro, Alfredo - 68

Flores, Randy - 27

Floyd, Gavin - 19,64

Francis, Jeff - 6

Frasor, Jason - 13,58

French, Luke - 71

Fukumori, Kazuo - 26

Gabbard, Kason - 3

Galarraga, Armando - 32,41

Gallagher, Sean - 23,40.42,60

Gallardo, Yovani - 6,42,43,46

Garza, Matt - 10

Gaudin, Chad - 3

Germano, Justin - 7

Ginley, Kyle - 38

Gonzalez, Gio - 1,2,8,11,41,68

Gorzelanny, Tom - 3, 8

Gregg, Kevin - 11

Greinke, Zack - 3,44

Guerra, Deolis - 4,48

Guthrie, Jeremy - 6,50

Gutierrez, Juan - 24

Halsey, Brad - 29

Hamels, Cole - 6,7,11

Hammel, Jason - 4

Hanrahan, Joel - 23,42

Hansen, Craig - 9

Hanson, Tommy - 4,48,53

Happ, J.A. - 60,70

Harang, Aaron - 21,50

Haren, Dan - 7

Harrison, Matt - 9,62

Hart, Kevin - 27

Havensack, Devern - 11

Hellickson, Jeremy - 47

Henn, Sean - 28

Hernandez, David - 65

Hernandez, Felix - 6,48

Hernandez, Gabby - 57

Hernandez, Livan - 55,66

Hernandez, Robert - 38

Hernandez, Runelvys - 39

Hill, Rich - 8

Hill, Shawn - 3,6,32,39,57

Hinshaw, Alex - 37

Hirsh, Jason - 19

Hochevar, Luke - 4,42,62

Hoey, James - 26

Holland, Derek - 50,59

Holt, Brad - 70

Horne, Alan - 20

Howell, J.P. - 17,71

Hudson, Daniel - 72

Huff, David - 44,47

Hughes, Phil - 3,52

Humber, Phillip - 4,9

Hunter, Tommy - 71

Hurley, Eric - 5,38,42

Hynick, Brandon - 24

Igawa, Kei - 24

Inman, Will - 16

Italiano, Craig - 36

Jackson, Edwin - 3,59

James, Chuck - 6

Janssen, Casey - 8

Jeffress, Jeremy - 8

Jimenez, Ubaldo - 1,57

Johnson, Jim - 36

Johnson, Josh - 5,45,50

Johnson, Randy - 50

Jones, Beau - 10

Jung, Young il - 15

Jurrjens, Jair - 9,33,52

Karstens, Jeff - 29,43

Kawakami, Kenshin - 48

Kazmir, Scott - 6

Kelly, Casey - 70

Kendrick, Kyle - 15

Kennedy, Ian - 2,34,42

Kensing, Logan - 30

Kershaw, Clayton - 8,32,42,45

Kiker, Kasey - 27

Knapp, Jason - 59

Kobayashi, Masa - 16,31

Kuo, Hong-Chih - 9

Kuroda, Hiroki - 16,31

Lackey, John - 11

Laffey, Aaron - 19,35

Lannan, John - 32

Latos, Mat - 50,68,71

League, Brandon - 25

LeBlanc, Wade - 31,44

Lee, Cliff - 57

Lester, Jon - 1,63

Lewis, Jensen - 25

Lewis, Scott - 48,55

Lincecum, Tim - 3,6,48

Lincoln, Brad - 61

Lindblom, Josh - 56,61

Lindstrom, Matt - 17

Liriano, Francisco - 6,33,40,58

Litsch, Jesse - 15

Liz, Radhames - 10,42,54

Loewen, Adam - 19

Lofgren, Chuck - 7

Lohse, Kyle - 57

Looper, Braden - 43

Lotzkar, Lyle - 42

Lowe, Derek - 20,50

Lowe, Mark - 27

Lowry, Noah - 10

Lyles, Jordan - 70

Madrigal, Warner - 35

Maholm, Paul - 18,50,54

Main, Mike - 26,50

Maine, John - 6,49

Maloney, Matt - 66

Marcum, Shawn - 3

Marek, Stephen - 15

Marmol, Carlos - 6,32

Marquez, Jeff - 29,53

Marshall, Sean - 6,55

Martinez, Pedro - 6

Martis, Shairon - 47,67

Mason, Chris - 11

Masterson, Justin - 1,38,43

Matsuzaka, Daisuke - 11

Matusz, Brian - 20,47

Mazzaro, Vin - 65.68

McAllister, Zach - 48

McCarthy, Brandon - 4

McCutchen, Dan - 48

McDonald, James - 5,48,55

McGee, Jake - 3

McGowan, Dustin - 1,6,39,42,56

McGreary, Jack - 47

McGregor, Scott - 45

Meche, Gil - 20

Medlen, Kris - 62

Mejia, Jennry - 70

Melancon, Mark - 24,59

Meloan, Jonathan - 13

Mendoza, Tommy - 15

Meredith, Cla - 19

Meyer, Dan - 2

Miller, Adam - 7

Miller, Andrew - 7,36,46

Miller, Shelby - 67

Mills, Brad - 49

Millwood, Kevin - 58

Miner, Zack - 43

Misch, Patrick - 3

Mitchell, D.J. - 64

Mitre, Sergio - 11

Mock, Garrett - 59,70

Moehler, Brian - 35

Morales, Franklin - 6,14,57

Morlan, Eduardo - 25

Morris, Bryan - 42

Morrow, Brandon - 2,5,6,19,37,38,42,67

Mortenson, Clayton - 42

Morton, Charlie - 29,39

Mosely, Dustin - 11

Moskos, Daniel - 20

Motte, Jason - 42,52

Moylan, Peter - 25

Mujica, Edward - 25

Mulvey, Kevin - 4

Myers, Brett - 18

Neighborgall, Jason - 10

Neshek, Pat - 19

Ni, Fu-Te, 69

Niemann, Jeff - 4,32

Niesse, Jon - 55,61

Nieve, Fernando - 35

Nippert, Dustin - 47

Nolasco, Rickey - 11,39,45,58

Norris, Bud - 71

Nunez, Leo - 1

O'Connor, Mike - 4

O'Day, Darren - 29

O'Flaherty, Eric - 27

Ohlendorf, Ross - 25

Okajima, Hideki - 6

Olsen, Scott - 6

Olson, Garrett - 3,40

Orenduff, Justin - 57

O'Sullivan, Sean - 69

Ottavino, Adam - 18

Outman, Josh - 49,64,68

Owens, Henry - 19

Owings, Micah - 3,45

Palmer, Matt - 61

Papelbon, Jonathon - 19

Parker, Jarrod - 15,54

Parnell, Bobby - 51

Parra, Manny - 3,7,24,42.49

Parrish, John - 39

Patten, Troy - 7

Patterson, John - 17

Pauley, David - 49

Paulino, Felipe - 23,59

Pavano, Carl - 66

Pawelek, Mark - 51

Pelfrey, Mike - 4,9, 38

Pena, Tony - 7

Penn, Hayden - 7

Penny, Brad - 22,56

Periera, Nick - 57

Perez, Chris - 36,52

Perez, Martin - 50,72

Perez, Oliver - 8,33,42,50

Perez, Rafael - 19

Perkins, Glen - 1

Perry, Ryan - 55

Petit, Yusmeiro - 10

Pettitte, Andy - 59

Phillips, Zach - 30

Pineda, Michael - 35

Pino, Johan - 47

Porcello, Rick - 15,20,43,52,53,57,60

Poreda, Aaron - 26,72

Portillo, Adys - 57

Price, David - 12,37,45,52

Prior, Mark - 19

Purcey, David - 8,35,41,42,57

Qualls, Chad - 17

Ramirez, Edwar - 10

Ramirez, Elizardo - 1

Ramirez, JC - 35

Rasner, Darrell - 36

Ray, Robert - 63

Reckling, Trevor - 50

Redding, Tim - 34

Reyes, Anthony - 1,48

Reyes, Jo-Jo - 4,34, 38

Reynolds, Greg - 34

Richard, Clayton - 41,53

Richmond, Jamie - 4

Richmond, Scott - 55

Ridgeway, Jeff - 24

Robertson, David - 42

Robertson, Tyler - 13

Rodney, Fernado - 25

Rodriquez, Henry - 26

Rodriquez, Wandy - 18

Roemer, Wes - 5

Rogers, Mark - 4

Rohrbaugh, Cole - 26

Romero, Ricky - 8,59

Rondon, Hector - 70

Rosa, Carlos - 38

Rowland-Smith, Ryan - 23,49

Rzepczynski, Marc - 69

Sabathia, C.C. - 8

Sadowski, Ryan - 69

Saito, Takashi - 56

Samardzija, Jeff - 23,38

Sampson, Chris - 67

Sanchez, Anibal - 7,41,55

Sanchez, Humberto - 26

Sanchez, Jonathan - 12,32,42

Santana, Ervin - 3,39,45,52,65

Sarfate, Dennis - 24

Saunders, Joe - 3

Savery, Joe - 21

Scherzer, Max - 5,33,43,46,50,53,71

Schroder, Chris - 23

Sheets, Ben - 26,69

Sherrill, George - 20,21

Shields, James - 6,54

Silva, Carlos - 16

Simmons, James - 20

Slaten, Doug - 27

Slowey, Kevin - 3,47

Smith, Greg - 31

Smith, Matt - 28

Snell, Ian - 7,8,42,62

Sonnanstine, Andy - 13

Soria, Joakim - 23

Sosa, Henry - 35

Sowers, Jeremy - 4

St. Claire, Cole - 29

Stammen, Craig - 71

Stauffer, Tim - 70

Strasburg, Stephen - 51,53,67

Street, Huston - 6

Stults, Eric - 5,8,60

Suppan, Jeff - 25

Swarzak, Anthhony - 30,65

Talbot, Mitch - 26

Tankersley, Taylor - 6

Taubenheim, Ty - 27

Teheran, Julio - 20

Tejeda, Robinson - 37

Thompson, Brad - 66

Thompson, Daryl - 39

Threets, Erick - 24

Tilghman, Jack - 43

Tillman, Chris - 24,47,54,71

Todd, Jess - 44

Torra, Matt - 29

Troncoso, Ramon - 42

Tucker, Ryan - 39

Uehara, Koji - 13,41,42,46,48

Van Benschoten, John - 35

VandenHurk, Rick - 19

Vargas, Jason - 65

Vazquez, Virgil - 11

Veal, Donald - 29

Venditte, Pat - 39

Verlander, Justin - 14,42,44,58

Villanueva, Carlos - 16

Volquez, Edinson - 2,27,29,48

Volstad, Chris - 15,25,41,50

Wainwright, Adam - 5,33,71

Wakefield, Tim - 44

Walden, Jordan - 26

Washburn, Jarrod - 59

Weaver, Jered - 6,67,71

Wellemeyer, Todd - 35

Wells, Randy - 57,65

West, Sean - 45,66

Westbrook, Jake - 10

Willis, Dontrelle - 6,8

Wilson, Brian - 18

Wilson, C.J. - 6

Wolf, Randy - 20

Wolfe, Brian - 13

Wordekemper, Erik - 20

Worley, Vance - 64

Wright, Chase - 27

Wright, Wesley - 35

Wuertz, Michael - 71

Yabuta, Yasuhiko - 27

Yates, Tyler - 27

Youman, Shane - 25

Young, Chris - 7

Zambrano, Carlos - 5,51

Ziegler, Brad - 43

Zimmermann, Jordan - 47,53,59,66

Zink, Charlie - 60

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Homer Bailey

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A little background ...

I'm an old guy. I have been in the same 16 team 5x5 auction-keeper for about 20 years. My rep in that league has pretty much always been all pitch/no hit teams. Its deserved, I love pitching and watch countless games a year simply to evaluate pitchers and their potential. I go to minor league games to watch specific pitchers. Its the fun part of the game for me.

That said, I have enjoyed some success in identifying pitchers who soon will be or are just realizing their potential. In a competitive auction keeper league, its all about getting talent - pitchers and hitters - while its still cheap (others haven't spotted the upside) which allows you more money to spend on the established guys who everyone will be bidding on. Even though I have won the league several times, its usually been great pitching supported by some hitters getting it together for a year or two which put me into the race.

Some disclaimers -

* The opinions will be my own and there are certain to be people who will disagree - some will likely do so vehemently!

* I have been wrong on pitchers many times so my predictions are no guarantee but I have had more than my share of success so maybe my evaluations will be of value to you.

* If I do not have a strong opinion of a pitcher, one way or the other, I will say so. I pay the closest attention to pitchers on my own radar so I may have not been overly impressed with someone and therefore don't track him all that closely.

* I may not have been in a position to evaluate deep, deep minor league sleepers so your best bets will be to ask about pitchers with at least some major league experience or those with at least some hope of having an impact - good or bad - in 2008 or 2009

* Keep in mind, I play in a keeper league and evaluations could be enhanced by future value (beyond 2008) and, we don't use holds etc which means a pitcher without the potential to start or close is not someone I would likely watch closely - however, I often grab players I think could step into a starter/closer role when the opportunity presents itself

There ya go. I will do my best this weekend (Friday-Sunday) to give my opinions of any pitcher someone asks to be evaluated. Please understand, I am not trying to position myself as some roto-pitching expert or anything like that. I know the majority of roto players focus heavily on hitting and their strategy includes trying to find some solid pitching in the middle rounds of a draft so they don't have to spend loads of cash or high draft picks. Maybe I can help uncover some real value.

Maybe this will be a popular thread and people will enjoy reading the discussions it generates. Maybe it will be a bomb - I guess we'll see. Just don't take it personally if I rate your brother/favorite player/best friend a non-prospect with no upside B)

here here....pitching rocks!!!!

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John Danks - I like him quite a bit. I think they are doing a nice job of bringing him along (something the organization has not always done so well with) and he could begin to step it up in 2008. It was encouraging to see them discuss limiting his innings late this year as he does seem to be wearing down more than I would like to see. Overall, I think he could be useful in 2008 and even better in 2009 if he stays healthy. I don't consider him an ace but he could be a useful 3ish starter when he peaks but the Sox may not be the best fit for him as they look to be going the wrong way overall.

Jon Lester - I was not a huge Lester supporter before his unfortunate illness but he does seem to have rebounded nicely and is probably back in the considerations set as a good option. He certainly will benefit from the support he will get with Boston's hitting and do like the fact that he stays focused for the most part - thats important in Fenway. Actually I put him in about the same "potential" class as Danks although Lester is perhaps a bit more advanced right now and he still has some hype attached which usually translates into him be overvalued by others.

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Dustin McGowan...if he becomes more consistent, he seems legit.

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Justin Masterson - Like most "big" guys he has to master his release point. I have only actually seen him pitch once and my impression was that he could be hittable as hitters see him more. He has some pretty good stuff and can get it up there in the low to mid 90s if I recall but he looks to me like a better bet as a 7th or 8th inning guy. That could change as he gets more experience but right now I would rate him a "wait and see" for at least awhile longer. I'm just not 100% convinced his future is starting.

Homer Bailey - Absolutely deserves to be a high ranking member of one of the best classes of young pitchers to come along in years. However, I consider him over rated when compared to some of the other 2007 arrivals. Yes, I think he will be VERY good in time (probably not next year but further along in his career). The problem he poses is he will undoubtedly make the cover of one of the hundreds of Roto Preview mags next year and everyone and their brother will be after him which means he will be drafted too high or cost too much. If you can get him cheap in a long term keeper - by all means grab him but beware overspending.

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Leo Nunez

Elizardo Ramirez

Glen Perkins

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Dustin McGowan - Let me make this one short and sweet. Get him! He is on my roster and is a prized possession. He is still relatively unknown because he was ineffective last year following arm surgery. But, he was a number one pick and he looks better today than he did when he first arrived. His stuff is electric - he looks like he's throwing high 80s and the gun rings up 96 or 97 and the ball moves - command is consistently improving. The clock is ticking. He will soon be recognized by even casual players. Get him soon.

Anthony Reyes - Probably suffered from over stated expectations. I think alot of people thought he would jump in and be a 2 right off the bat but I can't say I ever saw that. He could be a bottom of the rotation guy and he does play for a decent organization but I wouldn't want to go into a season with him being any higher than 4th or 5th on my starting pitching depth chart and to honest I probably wouldn't pay/spend the pick it would take to get him in many leagues.

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Whew! Hot and heavy!!!!

Please understand, I am working today and I will do the best I can to cover every name brought up but you may need to check back later this afternoon/evening etc. I am REALLY enjoying this and I hope y'all are finding my take on these guys useful.

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Sorry... I forgot Edinson Volquez

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Nunez, Ramirez and Perkins - Quite frankly I have not seen much that excites me about Nunez or Ramirez. Nunez has experienced some success but I think its pretty shallow. I do not project either of these guys to be solid starters or to close in the foreseeable future. They could be serviceable relievers maybe.

Perkins on the other hand does have a future. The Twins love him and they see him being a major part of their pitching in the near future - at least until he proves himself and they can no longer afford him. I think he is pretty polished for his level of experience but I think he could benefit from more time in the minors. I would rank him in the second tier right behind the more publicized arrivals for this year which means you might still get him cheap. Potetially helpful next year and a solid prospect beyond.

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Thanks.

This is the best thread ever and I appreciate your insight

One more... Joel Hanranhan

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Ubaldo Jimenez - I was hoping to get to see him the other day but it didn't work out B) Anyone that gets it up there in the high 90s and appears to have some idea of where its going (and herein lies the achilles heal) is worth watching to be sure. Obviously he has the Coors Field factor to overcome but that really should help keep his cost lower (I loved Francis and owners were scared to death of him because he played for Colorado). He's only like 22 but he has made an impression everywhere he's been. Worth a flyer even in Coors.

Gio Gonzalez - Ok, he's one I haven't studied too closely. I know the Phillies ranked him right behind Hamels at one time and that suggests he might have some future but I haven't seen him and it wouldn't be fair for me to try and rate him. Sorry.

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Sorry folks - have to go to a meeting B)

I will get to as many as I can later this afternoon and, I may be up most of the night at this rate catching up LOL but I'll give it my best shot! Check back and I will get to them (I think I should have waited til I was off work to start this!)

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I'm not going to increase your workload here, but this seems like a high quality thread in the making. Good stuff.

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This is good stuff. Rotoworld should give him a hat or something

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Awesome thread, especially about my secret P McGowan...shhh keep it down would ya!! lol. I look forward to reading this thread more, as I too like uncovering pitching prospects.

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