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Awesome man. Sounds like you have a nice taste. I like your style man. You probably have the pieces I will be selling, but I will let you know regardless. Impressive to say the least that you started collecting vinyl so young. I was way late on getting my decks and starting to collect.

Props

it helps when your older brother is a DJ.

BTW, are you familiar with the cenobites? they just released this limited pressing (200 i think) of previously unreleased mid 90s tracks. tryin to get my hands on a hard copy, but i doubt it'll happen. starting price is 80 bucks. its the 2nd of 5 limited pressings. its being sold by the same people who released herb mcgruff's demo EP.

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it helps when your older brother is a DJ.

BTW, are you familiar with the cenobites? they just released this limited pressing (200 i think) of previously unreleased mid 90s tracks. tryin to get my hands on a hard copy, but i doubt it'll happen. starting price is 80 bucks. its the 2nd of 5 limited pressings. its being sold by the same people who released herb mcgruff's demo EP.

Yeah, that does help. I have a Cenobites EP somewhere. It's Kool Keith, Gofather Don & several guests. Is that the one? I believe it had like 10 tracks, but it has been awhile since I rocked that. I think I used to play "Kick a Dope Verse" & "Mommy" quite a bit. I was lucky enough to see Kool Keith on Thanksgiving night, 2002 in Columbus. He came out in full Black Elvis attire and put on a good show. Not too familiar will Herb McGruff's stuff though, but a brother is too broke to afford a piece a wax for 80 bones right now. B)

I will definitely be sellin my Cenobites EP if it is going for around $100. Good lookin out!!

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Yeah, that does help. I have a Cenobites EP somewhere. It's Kool Keith, Gofather Don & several guests. Is that the one? I believe it had like 10 tracks, but it has been awhile since I rocked that. I think I used to play "Kick a Dope Verse" & "Mommy" quite a bit. I was lucky enough to see Kool Keith on Thanksgiving night, 2002 in Columbus. He came out in full Black Elvis attire and put on a good show. Not too familiar will Herb McGruff's stuff though, but a brother is too broke to afford a piece a wax for 80 bones right now. B)

I will definitely be sellin my Cenobites EP if it is going for around $100. Good lookin out!!

-nope, never before released and it'll be a 1 time limited pressing. its called "demented thoughts."

-only time i ever saw kool keith was when he was in his dr.doom phase.

-herb mcgruff was in big L's crew C.O.C. harlem cat who released an ok solo LP 10 yrs ago then disappeared.

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-nope, never before released and it'll be a 1 time limited pressing. its called "demented thoughts."

-only time i ever saw kool keith was when he was in his dr.doom phase.

-herb mcgruff was in big L's crew C.O.C. harlem cat who released an ok solo LP 10 yrs ago then disappeared.

I will let my buddy know, although he might already, and he will prolly look into gettin it. I knew I heard of Herb Mcgruff somewhere, just couldn't plave the name. RIP Big L!!

Oh, and MiggyManCrrush was talking about Lupe Fiasco??? I am pretty sure I just heard him singing on the ESPY's. That was unfortunate. And he is an up & coming star? I guess I AM getting old.

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Sorry for the double post, but just had to recommend "The Conmen" and their mixtapes. I think they have been out awhile but I just downloaded 5 of them. They are full of great beats and you will recognize sample after sample if you were a hiphop fan thru the 90's. The blending is great and really makes for some good listening, imo.

B) NICE :)

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I will let my buddy know, although he might already, and he will prolly look into gettin it. I knew I heard of Herb Mcgruff somewhere, just couldn't plave the name. RIP Big L!!

Oh, and MiggyManCrrush was talking about Lupe Fiasco??? I am pretty sure I just heard him singing on the ESPY's. That was unfortunate. And he is an up & coming star? I guess I AM getting old.

if you could SOMEhow relate that to how good of a rapper he is that wouldn't have sounded so silly. you continue to seem fixated on judging MCs off of everything BUT their actual skills.

if only maturity levels progressed linearly with age huh B)

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if you could SOMEhow relate that to how good of a rapper he is that wouldn't have sounded so silly. you continue to seem fixated on judging MCs off of everything BUT their actual skills.

if only maturity levels progressed linearly with age huh B)

its ok, im very familiar with lupe. i own "food and liquor" and listened to "the cool." i even have some of his old mixtapes. i'm also from chicago....and i think he SUCKS!

hes gotta be the most overrated rapper of the past couple of yrs.

none of my circle of friends, at least those that still listen to hip-hop, like him. the only time i see or hear about him being one of the game's best is on the internet. i never got his appeal.

BTW new reks album dropped today, cop it. musically its 100x better than "untitled".

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if you could SOMEhow relate that to how good of a rapper he is that wouldn't have sounded so silly. you continue to seem fixated on judging MCs off of everything BUT their actual skills.

if only maturity levels progressed linearly with age huh :)

Dude, I listened to his stuff on youtube. Not impressed. If that wasn't his actual skill, then what the hell was he doing singing at the espys in front of a national audience? And I generally dont like the sing-songy MC's with overplayed chourses in their songs. Let's just say I agree again with Chris Wills on this one and that we have pretty similar tastes. You and I don't.

Now if you want to talk about maturity levels that's fine. Maybe you can mature enough to understand that I don't like what I don't like. Anybody who is influenced by Crucial Conflict of all groups is sure not to register with me. Sorry that my opinion differs from yours.

Now go chill and download/listen to those Conmen mixtapes, if you're not too mature for them. B)

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lol i understand that "you don't like what you dont like" but discrediting an MC b/c of something totally irrelvant from rapping, is what i thought was immature.

and whats funny in all of this, is you ppl will slam an MC in here, or say certain artists i've listed are watered down, yet give ZERO reasons for them being overrated or not 'real'. you also mentioned chris how overrated lupe is....yet also claimed theres NO buzz for him other than on the internet, kind of contradictory no? seems like quite the small masses "overrating" him.

whatever i get that we don't like the same types of music. and dont expect ppl to be like me. but if you're gonna slam artists there's a proper way to do it, with justification. lupe doesnt 'suck' at all, thats nonsense and a shock statement imo.

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lol i understand that "you don't like what you dont like" but discrediting an MC b/c of something totally irrelvant from rapping, is what i thought was immature.

and whats funny in all of this, is you ppl will slam an MC in here, or say certain artists i've listed are watered down, yet give ZERO reasons for them being overrated or not 'real'. you also mentioned chris how overrated lupe is....yet also claimed theres NO buzz for him other than on the internet, kind of contradictory no? seems like quite the small masses "overrating" him.

whatever i get that we don't like the same types of music. and dont expect ppl to be like me. but if you're gonna slam artists there's a proper way to do it, with justification. lupe doesnt 'suck' at all, thats nonsense and a shock statement imo.

i think lupe's vastly overrated on the internet and gets put up on a pedestal cuz of his phony "conscious" raps. i dont like the fact that he was once a wannabe gangster growing up on crucial conflict and psychodrama who used to rap about busting shots and now hes fronting like hes some socially/politically conscious new age "native tongue" rapper, who in reality isnt saying anything. i dont like how he tries to be conceptual on certain tracks but his concepts are corny.

i dont like his voice. i dont like his breath control. i dont like how he tries to fit too many words in a bar. he uses too many similes (which many are pretty generic and annoying). "food and liquor" was listenable, but had no replay value for me and i ended up giving it away. the beats on "the cool" were terrible and the concept tracks were just straight up stupid. i dont get the infatuation with him amongst internet message boards, never will.

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its ok, im very familiar with lupe. i own "food and liquor" and listened to "the cool." i even have some of his old mixtapes. i'm also from chicago....and i think he SUCKS!

hes gotta be the most overrated rapper of the past couple of yrs.

none of my circle of friends, at least those that still listen to hip-hop, like him. the only time i see or hear about him being one of the game's best is on the internet. i never got his appeal.

BTW new reks album dropped today, cop it. musically its 100x better than "untitled".

Man, I thought "The Cool" was unbelievably good. Borderline classic of the last few years. Earlier in this thread I read someone referring to his "sing-songy" hooks which is not the case for his album cuts. Sure, his singles have that pop influence in them, but what MC doesnt dumb down his sound a little for the single? The tracks like "The Coolest", and "Hip Hop Saved My Life" is where he shines the most.

By the way, Murs and 9th Wonder - "Sweet Lord" comes out next week. All you guys need to definitley give that album a listen.

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Man, I thought "The Cool" was unbelievably good. Borderline classic of the last few years. Earlier in this thread I read someone referring to his "sing-songy" hooks which is not the case for his album cuts. Sure, his singles have that pop influence in them, but what MC doesnt dumb down his sound a little for the single? The tracks like "The Coolest", and "Hip Hop Saved My Life" is where he shines the most.

By the way, Murs and 9th Wonder - "Sweet Lord" comes out next week. All you guys need to definitley give that album a listen.

See, that is the kind of stuff that turns me off bigtime. It's what the true underground artists/albums/songs don't do. This is why I now primarily dig for old samples and break beats. My friends with similar taste call it selling out for the masses and some of my favorite artists of all-time have done it. I have no problem with these artists or the people who listen to them. It is just a big reason why I have been turned off by rap music in the past several years. Again, this might happen to others as they get older or it may not. There is a lot of money in the rap game to be had and it seems harder for the MCs to make songs they truly want to make. It was sad to see this happen to my man Guru, but he made some great albums with Primo & essentially made peanuts off them....so I understand trying to get paid. But I would still rather listen to "Step in the Arena" or "Hard to Earn". I still believe that the best hiphop is made more from the heart as compared to making money or getting radio play.

I am not a huge Murs guy, but have chatted with him the past few years at Scribble. Real cool dude for sure, I just don't get into his rap much. I did listen to the Felt album a bit...just not something I seek out much anymore. 9th Wonder can make some beats though, so I will check it out.

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yeah altho i respect chris' opinion, can't agree with Lupe. I actually liked F&L and his mistapes better than the cool, but admittedly I wasn't a fan of some of the production on the cool. but lupe has talent. and your comment about changing over to conscious rap, etc...i don't hold ANY stock into who these rappers actually are b/c anyone can realize that most of these rappers are fake, think biggie went to a private school lol...and the ones that ARE real aka 50 cent are a joke many of the time. so i could care less about lupe switching from gangbanging to conscious raps.

swish i'm def coppin murs & 9th they already laced 2 dope albums together and 9th is one of my top 5 fav producers. zones me the **** out.

harry: EVERY single rap artist has done what you've critisizing (in the mainstream that is) even back in the golden era of hip hop. biggie was horrible at that, nas if i ruled the world, pac was pretty bad...like its a business man...just like your favourite athletes will always go for the dollar...to ME..as long as ONLY their singles are different..i could care less. if their whole album is real, and hard...i dont give 2 shiits that they have poppish singles cuz it's ridiculous to want them to not make it in the business for all the hard work they put in (if they're good).

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By the way, Murs and 9th Wonder - "Sweet Lord" comes out next week. All you guys need to definitley give that album a listen.

well, i dont like either of those guys but i'll probably listen anyways.

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yeah altho i respect chris' opinion, can't agree with Lupe. I actually liked F&L and his mistapes better than the cool, but admittedly I wasn't a fan of some of the production on the cool. but lupe has talent. and your comment about changing over to conscious rap, etc...i don't hold ANY stock into who these rappers actually are b/c anyone can realize that most of these rappers are fake, think biggie went to a private school lol...and the ones that ARE real aka 50 cent are a joke many of the time. so i could care less about lupe switching from gangbanging to conscious raps.

swish i'm def coppin murs & 9th they already laced 2 dope albums together and 9th is one of my top 5 fav producers. zones me the **** out.

harry: EVERY single rap artist has done what you've critisizing (in the mainstream that is) even back in the golden era of hip hop. biggie was horrible at that, nas if i ruled the world, pac was pretty bad...like its a business man...just like your favourite athletes will always go for the dollar...to ME..as long as ONLY their singles are different..i could care less. if their whole album is real, and hard...i dont give 2 shiits that they have poppish singles cuz it's ridiculous to want them to not make it in the business for all the hard work they put in (if they're good).

EVERY single rap artist? Really? Well if that is the case then it just goes to show why I don't have much interest in giving them any of my money. It is when I decide not to buy an album from an artist. That equals being watered down man. I can tell you that Sage Francis, Buck 65, Aesop Rock, El-P, Jel, etc. have NOT done this. That is why the underground is much more appealing to me. And you continue to want to compare musical artists to athletes. It is not working for me. Music is a creative industry, hopefully. They are many differences between the two. And a whole album cannot be real if they are choosing to sell out for singles that they hope to get radio play from. And yes they are plenty of artists hiphop or not that make a living doing what they want and making the songs they want. That is true art, not making stuff you think people will buy or like. Like Sole said..I 'd rather be broke and have a whole lot of respect.

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EVERY single rap artist? Really? Well if that is the case then it just goes to show why I don't have much interest in giving them any of my money. It is when I decide not to buy an album from an artist. That equals being watered down man. I can tell you that Sage Francis, Buck 65, Aesop Rock, El-P, Jel, etc. have NOT done this. That is why the underground is much more appealing to me. And you continue to want to compare musical artists to athletes. It is not working for me. Music is a creative industry, hopefully. They are many differences between the two. And a whole album cannot be real if they are choosing to sell out for singles that they hope to get radio play from. And yes they are plenty of artists hiphop or not that make a living doing what they want and making the songs they want. That is true art, not making stuff you think people will buy or like. Like Sole said..I 'd rather be broke and have a whole lot of respect.

so are you definetively telling me you do not or have NEVER supported ANY mainstream artists??? I could have sworn you said you went from the golden era of hip hop, then onto mainstream after that. well the golden era of hip hop ie biggie, pac, Tribe, nas, pun, wu, outkast...they all sold out plenty of times over...

so is that correct to say you don't support ANY artist who's been in the mainstream??

to each's own i guess. but if you ask me which I'd who I'd rather listen to, some classic Andre3000, biggie, nas, etc or el-p, vinnie paz, buck 65 etc just cuz the former "sold out" on a few hit singles...lol ok. I'm not going to listen to inferior rappers b/c they didnt 'sell out'. unfortunately in a vacuum, "not selling out" has ZERO relationship with MC skills/talent. I can 'stomach' a "Big Poppa" for 10 "Gimme the Loot"s...or one "If I Ruled the World"s for 10 "I Gave You Power"s etc.

again this is YOUR opinion and i'm not trying to change it, but i just find it absurd to be honest. Talent is talent. Singles are singles. they are your marketing for your album. nothing more nothing less.

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so are you definetively telling me you do not or have NEVER supported ANY mainstream artists??? I could have sworn you said you went from the golden era of hip hop, then onto mainstream after that. well the golden era of hip hop ie biggie, pac, Tribe, nas, pun, wu, outkast...they all sold out plenty of times over...

so is that correct to say you don't support ANY artist who's been in the mainstream??

to each's own i guess. but if you ask me which I'd who I'd rather listen to, some classic Andre3000, biggie, nas, etc or el-p, vinnie paz, buck 65 etc just cuz the former "sold out" on a few hit singles...lol ok. I'm not going to listen to inferior rappers b/c they didnt 'sell out'. unfortunately in a vacuum, "not selling out" has ZERO relationship with MC skills/talent. I can 'stomach' a "Big Poppa" for 10 "Gimme the Loot"s...or one "If I Ruled the World"s for 10 "I Gave You Power"s etc.

again this is YOUR opinion and i'm not trying to change it, but i just find it absurd to be honest. Talent is talent. Singles are singles. they are your marketing for your album. nothing more nothing less.

Listen man, I explained myself. I tend(ed) to stop listening to "mainstream" artists when I thought they were selling out or their music got tired, redundant, whatever the case. Gangstarr, Tribe, De la and the list goes on. I never said I didn't listen to a "mainstream" artist, but gave reasons why I started focusing on the underground right around 99 or 2000. You talk about opinions then true talent. What you perceive as talent is different than others. I'm not sure what is absurd...maybe my opinion and what I listen to is absurd to you. Notice I haven't said that one time no matter how much I dislike an artist that anyone has mentioned. So talent is talent, whatever you want to call something that somebody does, but I won't agree with what you think is "talent" worth listening to. Again we have been down this path and I tried to stop it earlier, but here we go again saying I think this or I think that. It could be nevereding man, but to call what I listen to is absurd is well uhhh your choice I guess. I will choose to stay away from those type of arguments as I have done this 100's of times in the past with friends & aquaintences. I will also refrain from mentioning how I feel about the insertion of these lol's in the middle of opinion-based sentences/paragraphs. I would much rather chat music with Chris Wills, no offense. Good luck man

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Listen man, I explained myself. I tend(ed) to stop listening to "mainstream" artists when I thought they were selling out or their music got tired, redundant, whatever the case. Gangstarr, Tribe, De la and the list goes on. I never said I didn't listen to a "mainstream" artist, but gave reasons why I started focusing on the underground right around 99 or 2000. You talk about opinions then true talent. What you perceive as talent is different than others. I'm not sure what is absurd...maybe my opinion and what I listen to is absurd to you. Notice I haven't said that one time no matter how much I dislike an artist that anyone has mentioned. So talent is talent, whatever you want to call something that somebody does, but I won't agree with what you think is "talent" worth listening to. Again we have been down this path and I tried to stop it earlier, but here we go again saying I think this or I think that. It could be nevereding man, but to call what I listen to is absurd is well uhhh your choice I guess. I will choose to stay away from those type of arguments as I have done this 100's of times in the past with friends & aquaintences. I will also refrain from mentioning how I feel about the insertion of these lol's in the middle of opinion-based sentences/paragraphs. I would much rather chat music with Chris Wills, no offense. Good luck man

stop putting words in my mouth...honestly. or can you actually go back and quote me on saying i thought what you listened to was absurd?? i said not listening to a rapper b/c he "sells out" in his SINGLES is absolutely absurd and stand by that. so by principle the best rapper of all time, you wouldnt listen to him b/c his SINGLES appeal to mainstream. THATS whats absurd.

and LOL (yes there's another lol 4 you) @ you going on your rant how you hate arguing about this and would rather discuss music with chriswills yet YOU are the one who dragged me back mentioning my name and attacking MY opinions on rappers. I can only hope i get to your age i'm as mature and un-hypocritical. B)

Oh, and MiggyManCrrush was talking about Lupe Fiasco??? I am pretty sure I just heard him singing on the ESPY's. That was unfortunate. And he is an up & coming star? I guess I AM getting old.

so in future please leave my name or opinions on which rappers i've shown i listen to OUT of your posts and I wont add my 2 cents in...sound ez enough?? PS. i've never ONCE attacked your opinion of MCs or talent in this thread, i've only attacked stupid comments you've made...and thats NOT an opinion they were factually stupid...saying, and i paraphrase "i haven't listened to hip hop for a while, todays hip hop is watered down and garbage" (o really yet u never listen to it...odd) and "lupe is a rising star in HIP HOP?? really?? i just saw him sing at the espys" (cuz that has any relevance on his rapping). i'm finished as well with this discussion. it was indeed going nowhere. i will go enjoy one of the most powerful 'un-watered down' albums of all time, nas just dropped. (sorry forgot some of you don't listen to hip hop for lyrics anymore :) guess i'm 'preaching to athiests'..."

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We should change this thread to the Miggy v. Twatter thread. By the way, the whole argument is absurd.....LOL.

I've got kids, so I'm listening to Kids Bop 13 these days.....

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We should change this thread to the Miggy v. Twatter thread. By the way, the whole argument is absurd.....LOL.

I've got kids, so I'm listening to Kids Bop 13 these days.....

My bad man

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Swisherhouse: in case you didn't get a link somewhere for the the murs and 9th joint http://www.mursand9thwonder.com/

its gonna be tough for them to match the chemistry they had on their 1st 2 albums imo. keeping expectations low. but props to murs and 9th for giving out a free album regardless, pretty dope.

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Swisherhouse: in case you didn't get a link somewhere for the the murs and 9th joint http://www.mursand9thwonder.com/

its gonna be tough for them to match the chemistry they had on their 1st 2 albums imo. keeping expectations low. but props to murs and 9th for giving out a free album regardless, pretty dope.

Yes. I got it and have already listened to it a couple a times. 9th Wonder is the 2nd most inspirational producer of all time to me after Dilla, so I make sure to study all of his works as much as I can.

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Jay = G.O.A.T.

I have never heard a dude this consistent ever. I've probably heard over 1,000 Jay verses is my life and every single one is incredible. Listening to him on the "Put On Remix" that leaked today finally made me realize that. Has there ever been a song that Jay was on with another rapper that he did not have the best verse in the song? I doubt it.

I'm listening to Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint tonight.

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Jay = G.O.A.T.

I have never heard a dude this consistent ever. I've probably heard over 1,000 Jay verses is my life and every single one is incredible. Listening to him on the "Put On Remix" that leaked today finally made me realize that. Has there ever been a song that Jay was on with another rapper that he did not have the best verse in the song? I doubt it.

I'm listening to Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint tonight.

should i start naming them tracks? let's just start with 'Renegade' for now...

i personally can't agree with you much. lol in fact i think jay's lyrics are the worst part of his success. he's probably the best 'song-maker' hip hop has ever seen. but it has more to do with his beat selection, choruses, flow, etc. I think his lyrics are average at best. In fact he admits in his tracks he dumbs down his lyrics in order to double his dollars. He's become a pop MC imo and for that he's lost a ton of respect from me. and there are TONS of Jay verses that are far from incredible lol. eh just my opinion though. his flow tho is still one of the greats ever.

and jay goat really??? doesnt even make my top 20 LYRICALLY. but if you're talking who makes the best *mainstream* hip hop tracks ever, obviously jay.

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