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2012 Do Not Draft (DND) Thread

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Andre Johnson- He's 31 years old and hasn't played a full season since 2009. He only played 7 games last year and 13 games in 2010. He is very injury-prone and currently has an ADP of 22.6, which is towards the end of the 2nd round in 12-team leagues. That's way too high for an aging, injury-prone WR. I'll take AJ green, Wes Welker, Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Greg Jennings, Brandon Marshall or Victor Cruz over Andre any day.

Oh yeah, Andre has only had more than 8 TDs once in his career. He's had double-digit TDs, 0 times in his career.

Rob Gronkowski- I have a whole article I wrote on why you should avoid Gronkowski and will e-mail it to you if you want. Basically his ADP is too high, he is coming of an injury, he is more of a "frat boy" than a serious NFL player and there are too many mouths to feed in NE. I see Hernandez outscoring Gronk this year.

Cam Newton- I know his rookie season was ridiculous, but expecting him to repeat those numbers is also ridiculous. Cam scored 14 rushing TDs last year, 14! That will NOT be happening again this year with Jonathan Stewart, DeAngelo Williams and Mike Tolbert in the backfield. Cam's passing #'s will go up, his rushing TD's will go down and he will disappoint you if you are drafting him any where near his current ADP 15.3. Early 2nd round is way too early for Mr. Newton.

MJD- I just recently passed on MJD in the late 2nd round of a 12-team draft. Why? I don't feel good about him this year. He has tons of mileage on those legs and is currently in a long-term hold-out. How'd Chris Johnson do last year after his hold-out? Keep in mind CJ was younger than MJD and had less mileage on his legs. MJD's current ADP is about 11.9...no thanks!

The current ADP numbers are according to fftoolbox.com

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I refuse to draft Felix Jones this year. I've owned him here and there over the course of the last few years. No more. The guy can not handle anything more than a change of pace role, and if Murray were to go down, he will only last a game or 2 as the feature back.

I was actually considering this same scenario a day or two ago, when contemplating the thought of drafting Demarco, and whether or not I'd handcuff him with Felix... then I realized I would probably just handcuff Demarco with Phillip Tanner since he'd replace Felix when he would inevitably get injured. Agree - Felix is a decent change of pace / receiving back / occasional home run threat, but not a guy to count on as a lead back, until proven otherwise.

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I refuse to draft Felix Jones this year. I've owned him here and there over the course of the last few years. No more. The guy can not handle anything more than a change of pace role, and if Murray were to go down, he will only last a game or 2 as the feature back.

I was actually considering this same scenario a day or two ago, when contemplating the thought of drafting Demarco, and whether or not I'd handcuff him with Felix... then I realized I would probably just handcuff Demarco with Phillip Tanner since he'd replace Felix when he would inevitably get injured. Agree - Felix is a decent change of pace / receiving back / occasional home run threat, but not a guy to count on as a lead back, until proven otherwise.

After watching Felix last year and even in last nights preseason game, the dude is just not a lead back. He can sometimes make a big play, but he just cant get it done every down.

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Im not to fond of greene either but with tebow their being used as a red zone specialist i see greene making a lot of td's this year..

Please retract this statement...Did you watch him last year? ugh...

you do realize the jets are going to be running wildcat packages in the redzone with tebow at the helm right? With def focusing on stopping tebow lanes are gonna open up.

Yeah, but you realize that Shonn Greene is the equivalent of Turd on Wheels right? One hit, and he crumples to the ground...Seriously, his YPC is like 2.3 right?

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Andre Johnson- He's 31 years old and hasn't played a full season since 2009. He only played 7 games last year and 13 games in 2010. He is very injury-prone and currently has an ADP of 22.6, which is towards the end of the 2nd round in 12-team leagues. That's way too high for an aging, injury-prone WR. I'll take AJ green, Wes Welker, Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Greg Jennings, Brandon Marshall or Victor Cruz over Andre any day.

Oh yeah, Andre has only had more than 8 TDs once in his career. He's had double-digit TDs, 0 times in his career.

Rob Gronkowski- I have a whole article I wrote on why you should avoid Gronkowski and will e-mail it to you if you want. Basically his ADP is too high, he is coming of an injury, he is more of a "frat boy" than a serious NFL player and there are too many mouths to feed in NE. I see Hernandez outscoring Gronk this year.

Cam Newton- I know his rookie season was ridiculous, but expecting him to repeat those numbers is also ridiculous. Cam scored 14 rushing TDs last year, 14! That will NOT be happening again this year with Jonathan Stewart, DeAngelo Williams and Mike Tolbert in the backfield. Cam's passing #'s will go up, his rushing TD's will go down and he will disappoint you if you are drafting him any where near his current ADP 15.3. Early 2nd round is way too early for Mr. Newton.

MJD- I just recently passed on MJD in the late 2nd round of a 12-team draft. Why? I don't feel good about him this year. He has tons of mileage on those legs and is currently in a long-term hold-out. How'd Chris Johnson do last year after his hold-out? Keep in mind CJ was younger than MJD and had less mileage on his legs. MJD's current ADP is about 11.9...no thanks!

The current ADP numbers are according to fftoolbox.com

I think it's tough to do these predictions based on potential injuries...This is the NFL, and everyone could be a victim of an injury. Telling people to stay away from Andre Johnson, would be like telling people that Fred Taylor was a risky pick because he's fragile freddy. Everyone kind of knows this.

Your calls on Gronk and Cam are fairly bold, stastical aberrations?? Gronk's TD #'s could have been, but the guy will likely only get better as he gets more experience, calling him a partier/frat boy is kind of pointless, as it has little to no bearing on his statistical output. IMO

I see a lot of the pundits down on Cam, and that he can't produce those TD numbers again, however, his passing #'s will improve this year. And he is the goal line option in the run game...He's a physical specimen and wouldn't suprise me to see him turn in the equivalent of Daunte Culpepper's best season in Minnesota. We're talking a guy who could be either throwing or rushing for a combined 3 tds per game...Pretty incredible upside.

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Hmm, I'll be damned, it was 4.2...I can see your liking of him as a sleeper upside pick...Shonn Greene is a guy that noone will be pining for on draft day, grabbing him late in the draft as an RB2 makes a lot of sense.

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Hmm, I'll be damned, it was 4.2...I can see your liking of him as a sleeper upside pick...Shonn Greene is a guy that noone will be pining for on draft day, grabbing him late in the draft as an RB2 makes a lot of sense.

He's in like a 4 way RBBC with powell, mcnknight, and tebow

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Hmm, I'll be damned, it was 4.2...I can see your liking of him as a sleeper upside pick...Shonn Greene is a guy that noone will be pining for on draft day, grabbing him late in the draft as an RB2 makes a lot of sense.

He's in like a 4 way RBBC with powell, mcnknight, and tebow

Tebow is going to be like Lendale White was a few years ago, the ultimate TD vulture.

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Im not to fond of greene either but with tebow their being used as a red zone specialist i see greene making a lot of td's this year..

wouldn't this have the opposite effect on Greene?

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Im not to fond of greene either but with tebow their being used as a red zone specialist i see greene making a lot of td's this year..

wouldn't this have the opposite effect on Greene?

One would have to think....

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Im not to fond of greene either but with tebow their being used as a red zone specialist i see greene making a lot of td's this year..

wouldn't this have the opposite effect on Greene?

How so?

when tony sparano ran the wildcat in mia Ronnie brown and ricky williams both got theirs i dont see why tebow and greene cant either.

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Im not to fond of greene either but with tebow their being used as a red zone specialist i see greene making a lot of td's this year..

wouldn't this have the opposite effect on Greene?

One would have to think....

Quit trying to use logic you guys. :D

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Im not to fond of greene either but with tebow their being used as a red zone specialist i see greene making a lot of td's this year..

wouldn't this have the opposite effect on Greene?

How so?

when tony sparano ran the wildcat in mia Ronnie brown and ricky williams both got theirs i dont see why tebow and greene cant either.

Ricky Williams had 4 rushing TDs that year. One was a 51 yard jaunt. Another was after Brown was knocked out of the game.....

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Avoid the Redskins backfield at all costs.

Shanahan is out of his gord and RGIII I'm assuming will carry a few in by himself. Not to mention a complete clusterf*** of mediocre talent in the backfield....

You can basically copy-paste this situation with Green Bay's. The only difference is I see the Packers scoring more points. Aslo, KUHHHHHN.

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I will not draft Michael Vick.

His bones and joints are on the low end of strength for this endeavor at this level.

And I think he is very limited mentally.

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Andre Johnson- He's 31 years old and hasn't played a full season since 2009. He only played 7 games last year and 13 games in 2010. He is very injury-prone and currently has an ADP of 22.6, which is towards the end of the 2nd round in 12-team leagues. That's way too high for an aging, injury-prone WR. I'll take AJ green, Wes Welker, Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Greg Jennings, Brandon Marshall or Victor Cruz over Andre any day.

Oh yeah, Andre has only had more than 8 TDs once in his career. He's had double-digit TDs, 0 times in his career.

Rob Gronkowski- I have a whole article I wrote on why you should avoid Gronkowski and will e-mail it to you if you want. Basically his ADP is too high, he is coming of an injury, he is more of a "frat boy" than a serious NFL player and there are too many mouths to feed in NE. I see Hernandez outscoring Gronk this year.

Cam Newton- I know his rookie season was ridiculous, but expecting him to repeat those numbers is also ridiculous. Cam scored 14 rushing TDs last year, 14! That will NOT be happening again this year with Jonathan Stewart, DeAngelo Williams and Mike Tolbert in the backfield. Cam's passing #'s will go up, his rushing TD's will go down and he will disappoint you if you are drafting him any where near his current ADP 15.3. Early 2nd round is way too early for Mr. Newton.

MJD- I just recently passed on MJD in the late 2nd round of a 12-team draft. Why? I don't feel good about him this year. He has tons of mileage on those legs and is currently in a long-term hold-out. How'd Chris Johnson do last year after his hold-out? Keep in mind CJ was younger than MJD and had less mileage on his legs. MJD's current ADP is about 11.9...no thanks!

The current ADP numbers are according to fftoolbox.com

I think it's tough to do these predictions based on potential injuries...This is the NFL, and everyone could be a victim of an injury. Telling people to stay away from Andre Johnson, would be like telling people that Fred Taylor was a risky pick because he's fragile freddy. Everyone kind of knows this.

Your calls on Gronk and Cam are fairly bold, stastical aberrations?? Gronk's TD #'s could have been, but the guy will likely only get better as he gets more experience, calling him a partier/frat boy is kind of pointless, as it has little to no bearing on his statistical output. IMO

I see a lot of the pundits down on Cam, and that he can't produce those TD numbers again, however, his passing #'s will improve this year. And he is the goal line option in the run game...He's a physical specimen and wouldn't suprise me to see him turn in the equivalent of Daunte Culpepper's best season in Minnesota. We're talking a guy who could be either throwing or rushing for a combined 3 tds per game...Pretty incredible upside.

Andre- Injury isn't the only reason I said I'd stay away from him. Age is a factor, injuries are a factor, his lack of TDs are a factor and his high ADP is the main factor which I why I listed the other guys I'd take ahead of him. I don't think everyone already knows to stay away from Andre, looking at his ADP of 22.6.

Gronk- Motivation and focus are definitely factors that could influence his statistical output. Having said that, his off-field persona is just one factor of why I would avoid him this year. (ADP, injury, competition for targets in NE, won't be putting up those crazy TD #s again)

Cam- I agree that his upside is pretty high. But so is the upside of Michael Vick who has a much lower ADP of 45.1. Carolina added Tolbert to their already crowded backfield of Stewart and DeAngelo. He was the goal line back last year, but I don't see him being the goal line back this year. I'm saying that there is no way I'd draft Cam. At a certain point everyone is a value but I wouldn't take him any where near his current ADP of 15.3.

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I play in PPR..

Chris Johnson - I feel he will be motivated but I'm just not sold on him, the oline and the new pass heavy attack. Rather draft glass DMC.

Adrian Peterson - His violent running concerns me. Scared of a reaggravation would only consider him in the 3rd not in the 1st or 2nd.

Cam Newton - RW seems to be high on him but his rushing TDs will decrease. The coaching staff will not continue to use their star as the goal line back and I'm not confident in his accuracy to run this pass happy attack.

Doug Martin - Taking a rookie back in the 3rd is too risky. Plus I don't like the Bucs offense and Blount is in the picture.

Vincent Jackson - Disappeared with a better QB in Rivers and now since he chased the money I expect his motivation to decrease.

Robert Meachem - Watched him his whole career in N.O. I just dont think he has what it takes to be the man. Catches with his body and I would be shocked if he plays a full season.

Frank Gore, Michael Turner, Shonn Greene.

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Dez Bryant and Shonn Greene. Bryant because he can dissapear at times and Greene because he is ranked way to high and I would rather have Kevin Smith then him, even if Smith is made of cheap glass

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This gave me a chuckle from last year.

"Any TE not named Gates, Finely, Clark, Davis, Witten, or Daniels - This year more than any other, I think the difference in production between those 6 and all other TEs will be more pronounced. "

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Any player on the Bears besides Forte because then I would have to hope they scored a lot every week. Except Kellen Davis, he went to MSU.

The Law Firm - I seriously see him splitting carries with the more explosive Bernard Scott.

Torrey Smith - He just seems like a one trick pony and his game logs seem to prove this. If you looked at his longest catch and then subtract that number from his total yardage then he's just blah. His TDs sound like this "Flacco takes the snap, hands off it to Rice down the middle, the defense swarmed to the ball, oh no, Flacco still has it.....He has a man deep......TOUCHDOWN.."

Denarius Moore - Same reason just add Palmer and McFadden. They just seem too fluke.

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