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Dan Haren 2013 Outlook

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Probably will be moved at the deadline......Haren for Marmol.

According to reports, the Cubs acquired have acquired Dan Haren in exchange for Carlos Marmol.

The Cubs had been reported earlier in the day as a team that was interested in acquiring Haren. The Angels will first pick up Haren's $15.5 million option before dealing him to the Cubs. On a one-year deal, the Cubs could still conceivably flip Haren to a contender at the trade deadline if they so choose.

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lol ? cubs just performed a highway robbery. if haren sucks they'll still find suitors at trade deadline and can flip him, since pitching is premium.

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do we know any of the money involved yet on each side?

Dear god, the only saving grace of this deal is the ASSUMPTION that the Halos didn't throw in any cash and are at least saving around $5.7 million out of this. If they threw in cash it makes the whole thing that much worse

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do we know any of the money involved yet on each side?

Dear god, the only saving grace of this deal is the ASSUMPTION that the Halos didn't throw in any cash and are at least saving around $5.7 million out of this. If they threw in cash it makes the whole thing that much worse

Haha actually sound like they're also sending cash over with Haren. What? They panicked.

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By all accounts they weren't bringing him back, so that's fine. I just wish they'd have declined his option and pay the $3.5 million buyout rather than take on $9.8 million for a mediocre RP.

Edit:

Ken Rosenthal@Ken_Rosenthal

Haren-for-Marmol NOT done. #Angels continue to talk to other clubs. #Cubs asked Marmol about teams on his no-trade and whether he would MORE

Ken Rosenthal@Ken_Rosenthal

agree to trade to #Angels. Again, no deal with #Cubs is complete. Possible, but not complete.

Oh man. COME ON MYSTERY TEAM!

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Praise the lord! The trade is OFF

though, it was the Cubs who reportedly nixed the deal, which means Dipoto was totally ok with actually doing that crappy deal. Oh well, saved for now, but now they have about 90 minutes left to still try and trade Haren before his option is due

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Why would the Cubs cancel that trade!? Giving up a horrible reliever with no control at all for a former top flight pitcher who had one bad year. That was an amazing deal for them!

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We'll likely never know the real reasoning. I jumped the gun in saying the Halos were totally OK with the deal, because we don't know if that was the entire deal

Perhaps the Cubs found something that concerned them regarding Haren's back issues. Perhaps the Halos were asking for another player in the deal along with Marmol, or perhaps the Cubs wanted the Halos to pick up a certain amount of Haren's 2013 salary and the Halos wouldn't. We'll probably never know the exact details

all that matters is that the deal is dead. Thank god

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http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8709361/dan-haren-reaches-agreement-washington-nationals-according-sources

He signed with the Nats today. This could be the perfect scenario for him. He should get barely any publicity because he is now away from the star-studded, but not so great Angels rotation. He should be a perfect compliment to slot in behind Strasburg/Gio/Zimmerman. Should be in for a solid year.

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if he's healthy in the spring, i bet the hype train arrives and he won't be a draft day bargain.

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In a typical 12 team mixed league what round do see him going?

It's really really hard to tell right now. I mean he has the reputation and stuff to be a top 5 round pick, but with injury concerns he's probably falling to 9-12 right being a high risk high reward play. I think we'll have a better idea during spring training. If he's really healthy and throwing well might come down to round 7-8

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I absolutely love Dan Haren. I remember when I picked him up off FA in 2005 after this first start against the Orioles....never looked back. But, is this the eventual decline of Haren? His LD-rates trended up, GB trended down, FB% trending up....even his SwingingStrike% trended down and his Contact% trended up as well. He also 2 mph off his fastball....

Again, this is Dan Haren. Incredible knowledge on how to pitch and is extremely good at making adjustments. I think he'll be solid next year and start to really decline after that. Same goes with Josh Beckett who's experiencing the exact same trends (losing FB mph, all rates trending in the wrong way)

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I absolutely love Dan Haren. I remember when I picked him up off FA in 2005 after this first start against the Orioles....never looked back. But, is this the eventual decline of Haren? His LD-rates trended up, GB trended down, FB% trending up....even his SwingingStrike% trended down and his Contact% trended up as well. He also 2 mph off his fastball....

Again, this is Dan Haren. Incredible knowledge on how to pitch and is extremely good at making adjustments. I think he'll be solid next year and start to really decline after that. Same goes with Josh Beckett who's experiencing the exact same trends (losing FB mph, all rates trending in the wrong way)

It's hard to say whether last year's decline was from him actually becoming a lesser player or whether it was injuries. If it was the injuries, we could be looking at a very nice rebound and a solid bargain come draft day.

Of course if the injury was merely a coincidence and he's falling apart before our eyes, you've just wasted a decent draft pick.

Personally I'm steering clear of this guy. There's always solid pitching value to be had in later rounds and I don't believe his realistic upside is that great to justify passing on whatever bat is there.

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With Haren, it's really simple - is he healthy enough that his FB is back to 90-91? The big problem is when his FB is 86-87 - the difference between his split and his cutter isn't good enough to fool MLB hitters - so they can spoil the split by either laying off or fouling it off <instead of whiffing>, and crush the cutter if it misses over the plate (he really fell in love with the backdoor inside cutter to LHP, which then became BP when they sat on it in his last year in ARI - the gopherball year).

Going back to the NL, on the Nats, there's HUGE profit potential - but the key will be if his back is sound. If it is, great - huge value. If it's not, though - he can't live at 87-ish like he did last year.

He's low enough that if you're at the SP4-5 tier, then there's little risk. But his name value alone makes it likely someone will take him as their SP3...I love the guy as undervalued for the last 3-4 years (when the whole "he fades in 2H <which was true in his OAK years, but a luck-induced mirage in his ARI years>" devalued him), but this is probably the first year I don't see him as an auto-pick - the SP4 ADP I think is about right for him.

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Ive got about 6-10 pitchers that I like on somewhat of a bounceback, I think in my 130 Cap auction can be in the 8-12 range and I intend to add 3 or 4 to fill out my staff.

Dan Haren is one of them, along with Morrow, Lincecum, Lester, Kennedy, Beckett, Halladay and a few others as well.

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Ive got about 6-10 pitchers that I like on somewhat of a bounceback, I think in my 130 Cap auction can be in the 8-12 range and I intend to add 3 or 4 to fill out my staff.

Dan Haren is one of them, along with Morrow, Lincecum, Lester, Kennedy, Beckett, Halladay and a few others as well.

It's funny, because everyone of those guys I kind of like as bounceback candidates too. Though Morrow probably shouldn't be considered bounceback, since he was very good last year.

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Ive got about 6-10 pitchers that I like on somewhat of a bounceback, I think in my 130 Cap auction can be in the 8-12 range and I intend to add 3 or 4 to fill out my staff.

Dan Haren is one of them, along with Morrow, Lincecum, Lester, Kennedy, Beckett, Halladay and a few others as well.

It's funny, because everyone of those guys I kind of like as bounceback candidates too. Though Morrow probably shouldn't be considered bounceback, since he was very good last year.

He is more bouncing back from injury so there is some doubt about his durability, but I would put him in that price range also which is why I have him on the list, but your right he was very good last year in the 20 starts I think he made.

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any word on mph out of ST yet? Not sure if he'll need a month to get his arm warmed up to get meaningful readings.

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He ranged between 89-91 and touching 93 a few times. The report in the Wash Post stated that it was much better then what he performed at last year when he is dealing with hip and back issues. If he is going to be throwing like that this early in spring then we could be looking at the Haren of old returning to form. Playing in the NL for a serious contendor with a lights out bull pen. I see no reason Haren cant win 16-18 games with great ratios and a K total of 180-190. Look at what the change a scenary did for Gio Gonzalez.

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He ranged between 89-91 and touching 93 a few times. The report in the Wash Post stated that it was much better then what he performed at last year when he is dealing with hip and back issues. If he is going to be throwing like that this early in spring then we could be looking at the Haren of old returning to form. Playing in the NL for a serious contendor with a lights out bull pen. I see no reason Haren cant win 16-18 games with great ratios and a K total of 180-190. Look at what the change a scenary did for Gio Gonzalez.

Gio was a young pitcher entering his prime not coming off of an injury plagued season, and Haren played for a serious contender last year. If he's healthy he could have a bounce back year, but this comparison literally makes no sense.

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