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Ok. So I am really impressed with this team . They are playing at a high level and mauling the Jazz on the road. The future looks bright in the Bay...

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They got better trading that black hole Monta Ellis EVEN THOUGH BOGUT HAS BARELY PLAYED A GAME...

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Doing really well right now and marc Jackson has been a god send for them as well. I think their success is tied to if Curry can stay healthy and how effective Bogut is when he comes back, Thats a pretty deadly combo with Lee and bogut in the pain especially because Lee can stretch the defense out for sure. Im interested to see how far they go because this year they are defiantly the real deal

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They got better trading that black hole Monta Ellis EVEN THOUGH BOGUT HAS BARELY PLAYED A GAME...

Thompson complements Curry. Ellis competed with Curry. To me that's the big difference.

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The Jazz are not very good this year, so it's not a surprise the Warriors are beating them.

In other news, the Bucks beat the Nets tonight. Monta Ellis... 3 treys, 20 pts, 6 rebs, 7 asts, 6 Stls.

that's a beautiful black hole.

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"Mama there goes that team!"

Does Mark Jackson get credit here? I know there were (are?) a lot of doubters about him as a coach.

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the big difference is that Steph Curry is actually healthy this year.

Plus the addition of Jarret Jack.

And Mark Jackson's coaching strategies.

Winning solves everything.

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"Mama there goes that team!"

Does Mark Jackson get credit here? I know there were (are?) a lot of doubter about him as a coach.

Coming in I think there was a lot of doubt with him going away from the hyper-paced offense that Nelson had successfully installed. They aren't quite scoring like they were, but they also aren't being asked defensively to stop the opposition nearly as much and it has paid off. Not sure I'd say that he's a great coach, but what he's doing gives them a chance to have sustainable success.

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The Jazz are not very good this year, so it's not a surprise the Warriors are beating them.

In other news, the Bucks beat the Nets tonight. Monta Ellis... 3 treys, 20 pts, 6 rebs, 7 asts, 6 Stls.

that's a beautiful black hole.

Excellent game tonight for Ellis. Thing is him shooting 50% is not standard fare. He's shooting under 40% on 18 shots a game. That's a lot of possessions that end with one guy either shooting the ball or losing it. Problem with that type of insane usage is that other guys have a tough time producing.

I recall being in a debate last year with you as far as who was better between Harden and Ellis. You said clearly Ellis was better because of the counting stats. Increase Harden's usage to a similar level as Ellis and what do you get? Harden is a better player. The usage of possessions really does matter. What a player does with them either allows or prevents other guys on the team from doing something. For a team with a star PG, Thompson is a much better fit than Curry.

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The Jazz are not very good this year, so it's not a surprise the Warriors are beating them.

In other news, the Bucks beat the Nets tonight. Monta Ellis... 3 treys, 20 pts, 6 rebs, 7 asts, 6 Stls.

that's a beautiful black hole.

Excellent game tonight for Ellis. Thing is him shooting 50% is not standard fare. He's shooting under 40% on 18 shots a game. That's a lot of possessions that end with one guy either shooting the ball or losing it. Problem with that type of insane usage is that other guys have a tough time producing.

I recall being in a debate last year with you as far as who was better between Harden and Ellis. You said clearly Ellis was better because of the counting stats. Increase Harden's usage to a similar level as Ellis and what do you get? Harden is a better player. The usage of possessions really does matter. What a player does with them either allows or prevents other guys on the team from doing something. For a team with a star PG, Thompson is a much better fit than Curry.

James Harden is given the greenlight to have the ball in his hands every possession. So, obviously he's gonna get more opportunities to produce than Monta Ellis does, on a team with Brandon Jennings handling the ball most of the time.

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The Jazz are not very good this year, so it's not a surprise the Warriors are beating them.

In other news, the Bucks beat the Nets tonight. Monta Ellis... 3 treys, 20 pts, 6 rebs, 7 asts, 6 Stls.

that's a beautiful black hole.

Excellent game tonight for Ellis. Thing is him shooting 50% is not standard fare. He's shooting under 40% on 18 shots a game. That's a lot of possessions that end with one guy either shooting the ball or losing it. Problem with that type of insane usage is that other guys have a tough time producing.

I recall being in a debate last year with you as far as who was better between Harden and Ellis. You said clearly Ellis was better because of the counting stats. Increase Harden's usage to a similar level as Ellis and what do you get? Harden is a better player. The usage of possessions really does matter. What a player does with them either allows or prevents other guys on the team from doing something. For a team with a star PG, Thompson is a much better fit than Curry.

James Harden is given the greenlight to have the ball in his hands every possession. So, obviously he's gonna get more opportunities to produce than Monta Ellis does, on a team with Brandon Jennings handling the ball most of the time.

Monta Ellis is shooting the ball more times a game than James Harden.

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The Jazz are not very good this year, so it's not a surprise the Warriors are beating them.

In other news, the Bucks beat the Nets tonight. Monta Ellis... 3 treys, 20 pts, 6 rebs, 7 asts, 6 Stls.

that's a beautiful black hole.

Excellent game tonight for Ellis. Thing is him shooting 50% is not standard fare. He's shooting under 40% on 18 shots a game. That's a lot of possessions that end with one guy either shooting the ball or losing it. Problem with that type of insane usage is that other guys have a tough time producing.

I recall being in a debate last year with you as far as who was better between Harden and Ellis. You said clearly Ellis was better because of the counting stats. Increase Harden's usage to a similar level as Ellis and what do you get? Harden is a better player. The usage of possessions really does matter. What a player does with them either allows or prevents other guys on the team from doing something. For a team with a star PG, Thompson is a much better fit than Curry.

James Harden is given the greenlight to have the ball in his hands every possession. So, obviously he's gonna get more opportunities to produce than Monta Ellis does, on a team with Brandon Jennings handling the ball most of the time.

Monta Ellis is shooting the ball more times a game than James Harden.

James Harden has taken twice as many freethrow attempts than Monta Ellis.

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James Harden has taken twice as many freethrow attempts than Monta Ellis.

Wouldn't that just bolster nickalero99's argument?

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Yup because hes more efficient. Understand?

James Harden has taken twice as many freethrow attempts than Monta Ellis.

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Bring back biedrins! He's been forgotten now with bogut as the focus on C...

No. They've tried to bring him back. Biedrins checked out a few years ago.

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I apologize to Code for side-tracking the thread, but I do see this conversation as pertinent.

Harden and Ellis are both great free throw shooters. We want these guys shooting them. It's a positive result to a possession if either of these guys get to the stripe (more so with Harden).

Take away free throws:

Monta Ellis; 15 points on 18 shots

James Harden: 17 points on 17 shots.

Without one of the largest boons to his efficiency, Harden is still significantly better. I'd much prefer the guy who scores two more points on one less shot. It's not that simple when you bring in their FT shooting and volume (going to the line is a successful possession), but Harden>Ellis no matter how you slice it. Much like in Golden State's scenario, Thompson>Ellis.

None of this is to say Ellis doesn't have value. He does. He's just much more valuable to a team devoid of replacement level scorers than a team like Golden State.

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They will impress me more if they post a better record against top-tier teams. Oh, and underrated Curry for MVP

I think they're doing fine in that department, they have wins @LAC, @MIA, vs ATL and @ATL, and vs IND. Sure they've lost to OKC, Memphis, and the Lakers twice but you can't beat good teams every single time.

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James Harden has taken twice as many freethrow attempts than Monta Ellis.

Wouldn't that just bolster nickalero99's argument?

No, it bloster's my argument that James Harden has the ball in his hands more than Monta Ellis.

It's all about the system that a player is in. For years, Monta Ellis was the man in Golden State. And he produced fantastic Fantasy stats.

Then came Steph Curry to put a damper on Monta's production. And now there's Brandon Jennings who also has hindered Monta's production.

James Harden no doubt is in a wet-dream situation where he's on a team that lets him control the ball as often as possible.

So, obvously he's out-producing not just Monta, but a lot of players in the league this year.

If Monta was put in the same situation as Harden is in in Houston, Monta would flourish in that system too and would be more valuable than Harden is, if the roles were reversed.

it's just common sense.

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"Mama there goes that team!"

Does Mark Jackson get credit here? I know there were (are?) a lot of doubters about him as a coach.

I've watched just about every Warriors game for the past six years and what I am seeing from them this year is totally different. They are moving the ball, playing unselfish, all out hustle for every loose ball, and I think Nash said it best when he said they are playing for each other. So I would say Jackson deserves a lot of credit. I've always been an Ellis fan, but I agree, the Thompson, Curry back court fits together so much better. Also, Jack is playing out of his mind as is D. Lee. If Steph can stay healthy and start hitting his 2 pt. shots(think he's shooting around 37% on two's) and Bogut can get healthy to play against some of the bigs in the West, they will be a tough out in the playoffs.

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monta never and wont ever make as many threes as harden or get to the Ft line as much as harden

James Harden has taken twice as many freethrow attempts than Monta Ellis.

Wouldn't that just bolster nickalero99's argument?

No, it bloster's my argument that James Harden has the ball in his hands more than Monta Ellis.

It's all about the system that a player is in. For years, Monta Ellis was the man in Golden State. And he produced fantastic Fantasy stats.

Then came Steph Curry to put a damper on Monta's production. And now there's Brandon Jennings who also has hindered Monta's production.

James Harden no doubt is in a wet-dream situation where he's on a team that lets him control the ball as often as possible.

So, obvously he's out-producing not just Monta, but a lot of players in the league this year.

If Monta was put in the same situation as Harden is in in Houston, Monta would flourish in that system too and would be more valuable than Harden is, if the roles were reversed.

it's just common sense.

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