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Lance Berkman 2013 Outlook

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If he could get regular AB he could be pretty valuable. I'd think he's being signed for depth or to be the DH. But if he's the starting 1b, could present a roadblock for Profar at 2 (since Kinsler would stay there and Andrus at SS)

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If he could get regular AB he could be pretty valuable. I'd think he's being signed for depth or to be the DH. But if he's the starting 1b, could present a roadblock for Profar at 2 (since Kinsler would stay there and Andrus at SS)

He would be the regular DH but would probably sit vs some lefties. He would probably play a little 1b for rest for guys and obviously could play OF in a pinch. Really bad news for Olt and Profar may start in the minors if he's signed, we'll see....

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He was on my do not draft list last year, just had a hunch he would be overdrafted. TEX is a good spot for his value where he can DH and likely slide into the #5/6 spot in that lineup.

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If he could get regular AB he could be pretty valuable. I'd think he's being signed for depth or to be the DH. But if he's the starting 1b, could present a roadblock for Profar at 2 (since Kinsler would stay there and Andrus at SS)

He would be the regular DH but would probably sit vs some lefties. He would probably play a little 1b for rest for guys and obviously could play OF in a pinch. Really bad news for Olt and Profar may start in the minors if he's signed, we'll see....

Looks like it's pretty a done deal. Surprised he got so much, even for one year. Between 10-11 million

As for profar and olt. Can u blame them?

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Don't think this really affects Profar all that much, but hurts Olt for sure.

I think olt gets traded now, the organization doesn't seem to be too high on him. As for the Berkman signing, I'm not sure this is great for the rangers, especially since I don't think Berkman can stay healty even as a DH. When he plays he should be productive, but not two years ago productive

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I see there's a $1 Million buyout.

Does that mean they can give him $1M if they get tired of him and not pay him the rest?

$10M is crazy. I woulda said $5M. But the rangers know their offense needed something.

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10 MILLION?

I wonder if it is a spring training buy-out, or something. Like a nice send-off, in case he gets hurt or just flat-out sucks and can't hit a buck going into the decision and decides to hang it up. They can buy him out and he can retire and go to Rice

Which is where he probably belongs. Maybe I'm biased, but he will not touch my roster this year unless he's blistering hot 3 weeks deep into the year, and he still is on the wire (which would be unlikely for both cases honestly).

He has been on my team the past two seasons. 2 seasons ago I screwed up and traded for him right as he hit his last HR and then went into a major slump and tailspin to end the year; I finished 6th, but I was also limited to internet access. Still a brutal trade.

Then this past season I held him on my DL (picked him up as a FA when it was said he was out for the season but then he was given a 6-8 week timetable or something- his owner had dropped him when he was ruled out for the year)... then he was just outright terrible when he got off. I came in 1st that time around... but Berkman didn't do anything to help the cause, I know that for fact.

He's way off of my radar. These DH-types who play just enough games to qualify at a position like OF (for leagues that don't go by individual spots i.e. LF, CF, RF) or 1B so people think, "hey, he's a DH and he qualifies at a position, so he should be a nice steal and could be pretty useful!" .. the reality is the lemon is usually dry at this point.

I don not understand the $10mil from the Rangers. This could be worse than the Webb signing (and I don't even know what they gave up, but they got nothing obviously in return).

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If someone figures out his contract details, I'd be interested.

Also. If you're digging through the DH and hoping to find someone to benefit from being position eligible, I would look more at Ortiz, who I like might be eligible (at 1B) in some formats like Yahoo! and ESPN- but I can't be positive.

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The Rangers sorely needed a left handed bat in the middle of the order v Righties. Berkman fits that bill, when healthy he can still ball, don't kid yourselves.

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"When healthy"

"Don't kid yourselves"

(What I'm saying is if you expect him to be healthy and mashing or worse off, relying on it, don't kid yourself or I hope your league is 16-deep at least.)

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4 things I believe to be true:

- for however long he is healthy, he will start 4-5 times per week

- if he is in the lineup, he will get on base and hit for some pop, and that means plenty of HR/R/RBI in that park/lineup. it is still a good lineup

- he will cost $1-2 in auctions and be an endgame pick in snake drafts

- he will be more valuable in daily leagues than weekly ones.

seems like a great supplement for my fliers whom I don't really want to start the first few weeks of the season until I see what they can do.

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As a final pick in a snake 12-16 teams, or a 1-2$ pick- that's perfectly fine- Alfonso Soriano was one of my late-round $2 picks, and he turned out great for me- then again, Trout was a $5 pick and Sale was $8; Clippard was $2; etc. There are other avenues to spend your $1-$2 picks, even if they are just "dollar picks"- a few dollar picks can generally net you a nice hold. And I guess comparing Trout in his rookie year in a redraft to overspending on certain dollar picks is a bad comparison, because landing Trout cheap last year was just like hitting the lotto for anyone who owned him (and drafted him cheap- ESPECIALLY keeper league owners who won't see his price increase too much if their league rules say as much so, but I digress). My point is, at least with my strategy (in a 14-team mixed league 5x5 and approx. $200-$260 budget, probably closer to $260), I would only want to use one pick on a guy like Berkman (or Soriano- or any old slugger who might have enough in him to produce some nice value at that price) because if you go after too many 1-2$ guys, you're missing out on the guys like Sale who may be a little more (say, 7-10$? I mean I know Sale won't be that price *this* year), but provide a lot more upside. If it's one or two 1-2$ picks, sure... but I have seen people use the strategy of filling out their team with 8 or 9 dollar picks, and frankly, unless it's a shallow league I just don't think that's a great way to win. I would rather save those 6 bucks and get even one player who could possibly pay off big time as opposed to 6 guys when maybe one can help if I strike lightening.

The injury risk just drives me off the most.... playing in TEX should help if he stays healthy. But again. Is it staying healthy or just being old?

Honestly, I kind of feel if we're looking for a platoon guy to play at DH, Thome could have fit in that bill just as well and for MUCH less than 10 mil (still wondering about that... seems like a lot to be guaranteed coming off of the year he had) ... unless TEX really thinks Berkman can play the field still? And if that's the case, expect him to pull/pop/tear something soon enough.

I won't be touching father time this year unless he falls into my lap in an odd situation. Just me though. He is annoying to own, even in daily leagues. Having to check the Cardinals' lineups last year drove me nuts when he was finally activated. Chalk it up to a lost year due to injury maybe, but he's just getting old... this is the last one in his tank for sure, if he can help but sputter to the finish line anyway.

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I was really intrigued when I heard he signed with the Rangers. Anyone remember Frank Thomas' season with the A's in '06? I think 80-25-100-.280-.390 is a very reasonable projection if he can stay healthy.

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If someone figures out his contract details, I'd be interested.

Also. If you're digging through the DH and hoping to find someone to benefit from being position eligible, I would look more at Ortiz, who I like might be eligible (at 1B) in some formats like Yahoo! and ESPN- but I can't be positive.

I'd like to know why you like Papi more than Berkman. Berkman's injury risk is significantly less in a DH role and I like the Rangers lineup a hell of a lot more than the Red Sox. The only real concern I'd have is league switch from NL to AL.

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"Wash" said today he is thinking that he is gonna hit the Puma 3rd. Really? 3rd? I didnt even know if the dude was gonna play this year, then he signs and we are wondering about PT and now he is hitting freakin 3rd?

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It will be interesting to see his dollar value and adp as we go along. He probably will be a popular sleeper pick at this point, even though he's more likely to end up in a retirement home then act as a true sleeper. He's also quite old to give the sleeper tag to, but we all know how he can hit (especially in that park) if things go well.

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This signing reminds me a lot of Vladimir Guerrero's DH stint with the Rangers. He was drafted in the mid-to-late rounds and greatly out-produced his ADP.

Don't sleep on Berkman in that lineup...especially batting third.

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This signing reminds me a lot of Vladimir Guerrero's DH stint with the Rangers. He was drafted in the mid-to-late rounds and greatly out-produced his ADP.

Don't sleep on Berkman in that lineup...especially batting third.

Not a terrible comparison, but I just don't see how you can compare the durability of the two. Vlad was an everyday lineup fixture, and even managed to play the field a few times during interleague. I just don't see how the Rangers can count on Berkman to play even two out of every three days. There will be countless flare - ups, gametime scratches, etc. That said, if the ADP is right, then he is absolutely worth the right investment.

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This signing reminds me a lot of Vladimir Guerrero's DH stint with the Rangers. He was drafted in the mid-to-late rounds and greatly out-produced his ADP.

Don't sleep on Berkman in that lineup...especially batting third.

Thats a good analogy.

It will be a tough read for me as to how he will be valued:

The wise-guys who are on it will see #3 hitter from Texas and probably be thinking the way some on here are thinking and I am too that he could be a real nice late round grab or cheap grab, get 2-3-4 guys thinking that way in a 15 team league, he gets pricey pretty quick and the other thing is, a couple of owners who live 3-4 years behind the times, as I stated before they are the teams who lead the league in players on their roster who were in the bigs in the 90's, they will just see the name and probably be interested.

Will be an interesting balancing act. I got him cheap at end of draft two years ago and he was a big part of my championship, probably wont happen again. Im thinking $4-6 in a 130 Cap by the time we get to March, especially if he is having a decent spring, could be $8-10 if the hype drums are really beating that he tops every "sleeper" list on ESPN and other "mainstream" resources your average owner will go to on the net.

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Berkman is definitely someone to keep an eye on in drafts. I'm curious to see where he ends up going. I wouldn't reach for him, but would take him if he came to me. If he's hitting 3rd in that lineup, he should score runs and also get plenty of rbi chances.

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Todd Helton's planning on playing again this year too. 2 once studs now hanging on with broken down bodies ... and they got on the Say Hey kid for hanging on

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Todd Helton's planning on playing again this year too. 2 once studs now hanging on with broken down bodies ... and they got on the Say Hey kid for hanging on

They all hang on. Rarely does a player leave after a really good season, most hang on a year or two which is understandable for two reasons:

1. Its a game they love to play and if someone is going to pay you millions to do something you love, why the hell not.

2. I think the lifestyle, hanging with the guys on the team, traveling the country, playing ball

Actually one of my favorite players of all time growing up, Will Clark, went out not on top but after a very good season, .319 21HR 70RBI for the Cardinals. He had offers to play but went home to be with his son who is autistic.

One of the legendary baseball stories was Ted Williams who had a pretty lousy year in his second to last year and everyone I guess wrote how he was done and should retire, he came back for one more year and had a terrific season, then left the game. I think he homered in his last at-bat.

Interesting note about three legends who topped the HR chart for many years: Aaron, Ruth and Bonds - what do they all have in common? Yes they all "hung on" but they all did so for a franchise in the city they originally came up with. Mays - NY Giants ended with NY Mets, Aaron Milwaukee Braves ended with Brewers and Ruth came up with Red Sox and ended with Boston Braves.

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