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Matt Cain is the model of consistency and durability. He throws 200+ innings every year, puts up great ratios and his K rate is improving. Is there anything not to like about Matt Cain?

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Matt Cain is the model of consistency and durability. He throws 200+ innings every year, puts up great ratios and his K rate is improving. Is there anything not to like about Matt Cain?

Im not a huge Cain fan, you are right he is consistent, maybe because my league has Giant fans I think he is a little overvalued so I tend to stay away, but Ive never thought of him either as an elite ace. He tends to do what he is supposed to do as a good pitcher and he racks up a lot of good outings against the dreggs of the NL and there are a lot of bad line ups. But looking back at last year, I think elite pitchers beat good teams and put up good numbers in a phone booth, and Cain's splits against some of the better NL Line ups and hitters parks werent where I would think an elite P would be.

I have him in that HUGE group of pitchers just under elite level but for me with regards to Cain Im usually not a buyer because of price in our league, but he is very dependable so you know what you are getting for your pick or cap investment.

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Matt Cain is the model of consistency and durability. He throws 200+ innings every year, puts up great ratios and his K rate is improving. Is there anything not to like about Matt Cain?

Im not a huge Cain fan, you are right he is consistent, maybe because my league has Giant fans I think he is a little overvalued so I tend to stay away, but Ive never thought of him either as an elite ace. He tends to do what he is supposed to do as a good pitcher and he racks up a lot of good outings against the dreggs of the NL and there are a lot of bad line ups. But looking back at last year, I think elite pitchers beat good teams and put up good numbers in a phone booth, and Cain's splits against some of the better NL Line ups and hitters parks werent where I would think an elite P would be.

I have him in that HUGE group of pitchers just under elite level but for me with regards to Cain Im usually not a buyer because of price in our league, but he is very dependable so you know what you are getting for your pick or cap investment.

Agreed 100%. He's not a fantasy ace. Definitely a better 'real life' pitcher then fantasy. He's the definition of a #2 Fantasy SP.

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I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace". He's a bargain every single year. Love it.

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I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace". He's a bargain every single year. Love it.

Agreed. He doesn't eclipses 200Ks.....but his ERA and WHIP are grade A.

Sign me up.

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I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace". He's a bargain every single year. Love it.

Ok weak ace then. I'd still prefer all these options over him and possibly Sale/Dickey for the upside . Cain is solid, dont get me wrong but he's not the dominant pitcher these guys below are. He's going to give you IP, solid era and decent K's. Never has he even k'd 200+. These guys have the higher upside IMO.

Verlander

Kershaw

Hamels

Felix

Lee

Strasburg

Price

Weaver

EDIT: Just looked at my league and he finished pretty much where i expected, the 12th overall SP. I'd much prefer him as my #2 SP , ill leave it at that.

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Weaver? He has the same problem with Great lineups last year.. I guess he has more Win potential, but that's it.

Cain is a low end no 1 SP with about as rock solid floor you could ask from a SP...

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I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace". He's a bargain every single year. Love it.

Ok weak ace then. I'd still prefer all these options over him and possibly Sale/Dickey for the upside . Cain is solid, dont get me wrong but he's not the dominant pitcher these guys below are. He's going to give you IP, solid era and decent K's. Never has he even k'd 200+. These guys have the higher upside IMO.

Verlander

Kershaw

Hamels

Felix

Lee

Strasburg

Price

Weaver

I like all of these arms - except Weaver - more than Cain, too. But i never end up with these guys as they go to early for me.

As for Weaver, he's a slightly lesser version Cain, in my eyes. Yes, he's has the one great year with over 200Ks 3 or 4 seasons ago, but his K rate has declined rather sharply in recent seasons.

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I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace". He's a bargain every single year. Love it.

Ok weak ace then. I'd still prefer all these options over him and possibly Sale/Dickey for the upside . Cain is solid, dont get me wrong but he's not the dominant pitcher these guys below are. He's going to give you IP, solid era and decent K's. Never has he even k'd 200+. These guys have the higher upside IMO.

Verlander

Kershaw

Hamels

Felix

Lee

Strasburg

Price

Weaver

EDIT: Just looked at my league and he finished pretty much where i expected, the 12th overall SP. I'd much prefer him as my #2 SP , ill leave it at that.

So....you are saying there are only 8 pitchers you'd prefer over Cain? Um...unless you are playing in an 8-team league, that makes him a #1 and a fantasy ace, by definition.

PS - I'd also prefer Cain over Weaver and possibly even Lee.

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I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace". He's a bargain every single year. Love it.

Ok weak ace then. I'd still prefer all these options over him and possibly Sale/Dickey for the upside . Cain is solid, dont get me wrong but he's not the dominant pitcher these guys below are. He's going to give you IP, solid era and decent K's. Never has he even k'd 200+. These guys have the higher upside IMO.

Verlander

Kershaw

Hamels

Felix

Lee

Strasburg

Price

Weaver

EDIT: Just looked at my league and he finished pretty much where i expected, the 12th overall SP. I'd much prefer him as my #2 SP , ill leave it at that.

So....you are saying there are only 8 pitchers you'd prefer over Cain? Um...unless you are playing in an 8-team league, that makes him a #1 and a fantasy ace, by definition.

PS - I'd also prefer Cain over Weaver and possibly even Lee.

Well id also consider Gio/Dickey so thats 10 guys. I amended to being a weak ace so yes in 12 team leagues, he's a #1 SP. Depends alot on your format tho also. If you're in a roto league, he's alot more valuable Cain. Pretty solid in all catergories. H2H leagues, his value is diminished somewhat. While his floor is really high, his ceiling is lower then all those other guys listed IMO.

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First 3 Innings, 9 up/9down.

4th Inning, 7 hits, 2 Walks, 7 ER

Some bloops, some blasts

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omg...One minute everything was fine, the next am scrolling down through yahoo's 80pg play by play filled with green highlights showing Hell on Earth

what a painful inning

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Thoughts on Cain this season?

Expecting a Cy Young caliber season, as usual. You?

Well that dream is over.

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Thanks Cain...just cost me era and whip for the week.

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Thoughts on Cain this season?

Expecting a Cy Young caliber season, as usual. You?

Well that dream is over.

Whew, am I glad I didn't need to rely on him and was able to bench him in my H2H match. With that being said, even aces have rough outings. No big deal.

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omg...One minute everything was fine, the next am scrolling down through yahoo's 80pg play by play filled with green highlights showing Hell on Earth

what a painful inning

9 runs with 1 extra base hit....damn that would have been painful to watch.

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Its only fair. Stras, Price, and Cain get bombed. Is this opposite day?!

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Its only fair. Stras, Price, and Cain get bombed. Is this opposite day?!

I swear Yu Darvish better not get lit

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cain and bumgarner are good but they need lincecum to be the ace or lincecum to fill in and do what cain or bumgarner did and one of them become the ace for this season. they need a certain amount of good stats no matter how they get them from these three.

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