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Shaun Marcum 2013 Outlook

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According to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, the Mets have signed a one-year contract with Shaun Marcum.

Marcum will hope to revitalize his value in the pitcher-friendly confines of Citi Field before attempting to finally cash in big in the fall. The 31-year-old right-hander posted a decent 3.70 ERA, 1.27 WHIP and 7.9 K/9 in 124 innings last year for the Brewers while battling elbow issues. He'll carry a good amount of fantasy value in 2013 if he's healthy.

Anything to see here? End-game flier in drafts possibly.

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Great signing for the Mets. If he's healthy, Marcum is a top-40 guy easily.

Also now in Citi Field, i'll be looking to add him later in drafts.

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Its a good thing a pitcher with injury issues signed with a team that has such a good history of dealing with injuries...

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Its a good thing a pitcher with injury issues signed with a team that has such a good history of dealing with injuries...

Haha i read 1 yr 8 million with an option for a 2nd year. Even if his elbow falls off in the 1st week of the season, thats still a no brainer signing. Marcum has #2 SP type upside.

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Its a good thing a pitcher with injury issues signed with a team that has such a good history of dealing with injuries...

Haha i read 1 yr 8 million with an option for a 2nd year. Even if his elbow falls off in the 1st week of the season, thats still a no brainer signing. Marcum has #2 SP type upside.

Good signing, solid late round play but it seems like its a bad matchup.

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Its a good thing a pitcher with injury issues signed with a team that has such a good history of dealing with injuries...

Its a good thing a pitcher with injury issues signed with a team that has such a good history of dealing with injuries...

Haha i read 1 yr 8 million with an option for a 2nd year. Even if his elbow falls off in the 1st week of the season, thats still a no brainer signing. Marcum has #2 SP type upside.

The 2 points aren't mutually exclusive - a 1-year deal with team option has almost no risk for the Mets. But yeah, for Marcum's long-term prospects...I hope he has a good personal MD. :blink: Still, he will be literally going at the endgame of most redrafts, so it's not a huge risk for FBB owners - just don't get too married to the idea of 25+ starts.

(On a more serious note - were there ANY changes in the medical staff of the Mets? Without all the details from the past 3-4 years, it's impossible to know for sure, but either the staff needs to change, or the FO needs to start listening to their concerns - because it's either the opinions weren't good, or the FO didn't listen).

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Its a good thing a pitcher with injury issues signed with a team that has such a good history of dealing with injuries...

Its a good thing a pitcher with injury issues signed with a team that has such a good history of dealing with injuries...

Haha i read 1 yr 8 million with an option for a 2nd year. Even if his elbow falls off in the 1st week of the season, thats still a no brainer signing. Marcum has #2 SP type upside.

The 2 points aren't mutually exclusive - a 1-year deal with team option has almost no risk for the Mets. But yeah, for Marcum's long-term prospects...I hope he has a good personal MD. :blink: Still, he will be literally going at the endgame of most redrafts, so it's not a huge risk for FBB owners - just don't get too married to the idea of 25+ starts.

(On a more serious note - were there ANY changes in the medical staff of the Mets? Without all the details from the past 3-4 years, it's impossible to know for sure, but either the staff needs to change, or the FO needs to start listening to their concerns - because it's either the opinions weren't good, or the FO didn't listen).

I'll be eyeing him up as a late rd sleeper. should be cheap

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Yea if you can get him as you're 6th SP or there about, great pick. All upside really.

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Good landing spot for him too considering he's a flyball pitcher....Marcum's an interesting pitcher as he sets you up with that blazing 87 MPH FB....

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Good landing spot for him too considering he's a flyball pitcher....Marcum's an interesting pitcher as he sets you up with that blazing 87 MPH FB....

Well hes got 4 pitches Marcum, mixes it up alot with a nasty curve. And has always had good control. He's a perfect fit for Citi Field assuming he is healthy

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Real nice signing for the Mets.

Johan/Marcum/Harvey/Niese looks pretty respectable

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Real nice signing for the Mets.

Johan/Marcum/Harvey/Niese looks pretty respectable

And Gee ...and Wheeler in due time.

Harvey/Wheeler/Niese going to be a solid foundation for yrs.

If this team can get some solid bats in here with Wright/Davis/Darnaud, future looks decent

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Real nice signing for the Mets.

Johan/Marcum/Harvey/Niese looks pretty respectable

And Gee ...and Wheeler in due time.

Harvey/Wheeler/Niese going to be a solid foundation for yrs.

If this team can get some solid bats in here with Wright/Davis/Darnaud, future looks decent

For the first time in a while the Mets actually have a decent outllook in the future... but they still need to add something to their OF (not sure if that something is Bourn). Back to Marcum, I think this is a great signing because if he starts out great then they could always trade him to a contender at the deadline for prospects, they also can might be able to get a good draft pick at the end of the year if they don't want to resign him.

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Bourn would be great but it would mean they lose their 1st round pick and I'm not sure that's a good idea.They are not in position to contend for PO spot so it would be wise to proceed with their smart rebuild.In a 2-3 years this type of signing would be great but now it's too early.I'm not pretty sure they are seriously considering Bourn but nevermind.

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Its a good landing spot for him in real life and for his fantasy prospects.

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Its a good thing a pitcher with injury issues signed with a team that has such a good history of dealing with injuries.a17.jpgk3.jpg

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Bourn would be great but it would mean they lose their 1st round pick and I'm not sure that's a good idea.They are not in position to contend for PO spot so it would be wise to proceed with their smart rebuild.In a 2-3 years this type of signing would be great but now it's too early.I'm not pretty sure they are seriously considering Bourn but nevermind.

Well they're apparently petitioning MLB to forfeit their 2nd rd pick if they signed Bourn. They have the #11 pick but they did finish with a bottom 10 losing record. Top 10 picks are protected, they may be able to keep that pick still. We'll see. Im not even sure how it all works, Pittsburgh wasnt able to sign that guy last year in the 1st, so they would get this Mets pick?

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Bourn would be great but it would mean they lose their 1st round pick and I'm not sure that's a good idea.They are not in position to contend for PO spot so it would be wise to proceed with their smart rebuild.In a 2-3 years this type of signing would be great but now it's too early.I'm not pretty sure they are seriously considering Bourn but nevermind.

Well they're apparently petitioning MLB to forfeit their 2nd rd pick if they signed Bourn. They have the #11 pick but they did finish with a bottom 10 losing record. Top 10 picks are protected, they may be able to keep that pick still. We'll see. Im not even sure how it all works, Pittsburgh wasnt able to sign that guy last year in the 1st, so they would get this Mets pick?

Anyone?

From what I understand, the Mets pick would have been top-10 protected, but the Pirates got another high pick this year because they failed to sign their first rounder last year. The Mets are arguing that their pick would have been protected if not for the incompetence of the Pirates and/or said prospect.

This would also suggest to me that the Mets may already have the framework of a deal in place for Bourn and may move quickly if MLB rules in their favor.

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Bourn would be great but it would mean they lose their 1st round pick and I'm not sure that's a good idea.They are not in position to contend for PO spot so it would be wise to proceed with their smart rebuild.In a 2-3 years this type of signing would be great but now it's too early.I'm not pretty sure they are seriously considering Bourn but nevermind.

Well they're apparently petitioning MLB to forfeit their 2nd rd pick if they signed Bourn. They have the #11 pick but they did finish with a bottom 10 losing record. Top 10 picks are protected, they may be able to keep that pick still. We'll see. Im not even sure how it all works, Pittsburgh wasnt able to sign that guy last year in the 1st, so they would get this Mets pick?

Anyone?

From what I understand, the Mets pick would have been top-10 protected, but the Pirates got another high pick this year because they failed to sign their first rounder last year. The Mets are arguing that their pick would have been protected if not for the incompetence of the Pirates and/or said prospect.

This would also suggest to me that the Mets may already have the framework of a deal in place for Bourn and may move quickly if MLB rules in their favor.

Agreed. You dont go thru all that w/o the intent to sign. Now if they're denied, i cant touch Bourn as a Mets fan. Just makes no sense. Those 1st rd picks and #11 overall, just wayyyy to valuable.

2nd rd pick? Get Bourn here fast!

Oh and that rule is terrible, why should the Mets be penalized for the ineptitude of Pittsburgh??!

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Shaun Marcum has a 2.67 road ERA since 2011, best among pitchers with at least 100 IP. Getting away from Miller Park will be good for him.

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Agreed. You dont go thru all that w/o the intent to sign. Now if they're denied, i cant touch Bourn as a Mets fan. Just makes no sense. Those 1st rd picks and #11 overall, just wayyyy to valuable.

2nd rd pick? Get Bourn here fast!

Oh and that rule is terrible, why should the Mets be penalized for the ineptitude of Pittsburgh??!

Those picks are just wayyyy to valuable.

#11 overall picks from 1990-2010 (in order):

Shane Andrews

Shawn Estes

Derek Wallace

Daron Kirkreit

Mark Farris

Mike Drumright

Adam Eaton

Chris Enochs

Josh McKinley

Ryan Christianson

Dave Krynzel (once on my fantasy farm squad)

Kenny Baugh

Jeremy Hermida

Michael Aubrey

Neil Walker

Andrew McCutcheon (never on my fantasy farm squad :angry: )

Max Scherzer

Phillipe Aumont

Justin Smoak

Tyler Matzek

Deck McGuire

Other than Cutch, is there anybody on that list who you wouldn't trade for Bourn if you were the Mets' GM? If you're not picking in the top-5 or #1 overall in a year like Mauer / Strasburg / Harper / ARod / Griffey / Chipper, then first rounders just aren't that special.

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You cant just go by the #11 pick only. Go by 1st rounders in general. Look at a guy like Trout, believe he was taken in the 20's in the 1st rd.

For every 1 of these no name guys u listed, there are hundreds who have been all-star type players.

And add to that, the Mets arent contending this year or next year im sure. They're in rebuild mode. To give up your 1st rd pick for Bourn who's a nice player but almost 30 and built on speed. Just seems foolish. I like Bourn also, but i cant give up my 1st rd pick, no way.

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Yeah, I wouldn't analyze solely the 11th pick, maybe the 11th through 16th picks would give you a better sense of players available at 11 in the draft. If you pick any single number 1-30 in the draft and analyze that specific pick, there's gonna be more busts than booms, even #1.

Starting 5 years ago going backwards with the #1 picks...

2008 - Tim Beckham (bust so far)

2007 - David Price

2006 - Luke Hochevar (bust)

2005 - Justin Upton (surely not a surefire star yet)

2004 - Matt Bush (bust)

2003 - Delmon Young (not "top overall player" material)

2002 - Bryan Bullington (bust)

That's like 1.5 out of last 7 after the nice 99'-'01 stretch, where Josh Hamilton was the '99 top pick and took nearly a decade to turn into a good player.

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Yeah, I wouldn't analyze solely the 11th pick, maybe the 11th through 16th picks would give you a better sense of players available at 11 in the draft. If you pick any single number 1-30 in the draft and analyze that specific pick, there's gonna be more busts than booms, even #1.

Starting 5 years ago going backwards with the #1 picks...

2008 - Tim Beckham (bust so far)

2007 - David Price

2006 - Luke Hochevar (bust)

2005 - Justin Upton (surely not a surefire star yet)

2004 - Matt Bush (bust)

2003 - Delmon Young (not "top overall player" material)

2002 - Bryan Bullington (bust)

That's like 1.5 out of last 7 after the nice 99'-'01 stretch, where Josh Hamilton was the '99 top pick and took nearly a decade to turn into a good player.

I noticed u started at 2008, when 2009/2010 had Strasburg/Harper respectively lol.

J-Upton is a star IMO. Thats 2/7 and now 4/9 including the Nats guys. Stras/Harper are locks barring injury. Or another injury in Stras' case.

Again, we're talking #1 overall tho. But at the end of the day, its a gamble on any guy u select in the 1st rd. The hope is the guy turns into a legit MLB player, forget all star even. Thats a bonus really.

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Yeah, I wouldn't analyze solely the 11th pick, maybe the 11th through 16th picks would give you a better sense of players available at 11 in the draft. If you pick any single number 1-30 in the draft and analyze that specific pick, there's gonna be more busts than booms, even #1.

Starting 5 years ago going backwards with the #1 picks...

2008 - Tim Beckham (bust so far)

2007 - David Price

2006 - Luke Hochevar (bust)

2005 - Justin Upton (surely not a surefire star yet)

2004 - Matt Bush (bust)

2003 - Delmon Young (not "top overall player" material)

2002 - Bryan Bullington (bust)

That's like 1.5 out of last 7 after the nice 99'-'01 stretch, where Josh Hamilton was the '99 top pick and took nearly a decade to turn into a good player.

Thank you for reminding me that Hochevar was actually a first pick.

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