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Okay, few key moves this off-season, including Upton squared.

What's everyone's take on the projected batting order for this season???

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Well they obviously don't have a lead off hitter, so if they do bat the Upton's 1-2 and Heyward 3, their LOB totals should be down this year...

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My projected batting order..

1. Simmons ®

2. Heyward (L)

3. J. Upton ®

4. Freeman (L)

5. BJ Upton ®

6. McCann (L)

7. Uggla ®

8. Johnson/Francisco

I don't see any other combination that works better than this. The Braves have been looking for people to break up their left-handed hitting lineup for a few years now and have finally done it with the Uptons. They lack a true leadoff hitter so Simmons and Heyward (if this is the lineup) will be keys and will have to get on base consistently.

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My projected batting order..

1. Simmons ®

2. Heyward (L)

3. J. Upton ®

4. Freeman (L)

5. BJ Upton ®

6. McCann (L)

7. Uggla ®

8. Johnson/Francisco

I don't see any other combination that works better than this. The Braves have been looking for people to break up their left-handed hitting lineup for a few years now and have finally done it with the Uptons. They lack a true leadoff hitter so Simmons and Heyward (if this is the lineup) will be keys and will have to get on base consistently.

I think that makes a lot of sense if Simmons is up to it but if he can't then I would think it would be:

BJ

Heyward

J. Upton

Freeman

McCann

Uggla

Johnson/Francisco

Simmons

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My projected batting order..

1. Simmons ®

2. Heyward (L)

3. J. Upton ®

4. Freeman (L)

5. BJ Upton ®

6. McCann (L)

7. Uggla ®

8. Johnson/Francisco

I don't see any other combination that works better than this. The Braves have been looking for people to break up their left-handed hitting lineup for a few years now and have finally done it with the Uptons. They lack a true leadoff hitter so Simmons and Heyward (if this is the lineup) will be keys and will have to get on base consistently.

That lineup looks good to me and would not be surprised if this is what the Braves use on opening day.

Longer term, Simmons hitting leadoff is a little iffy since it does put a lot of pressure on a young player. But, as mentioned above, there really isn't any guy suited for the role. A semi-logical choice, though highly unlikely since it's unconventional, might actually be Uggla as the leadoff man. He led the league in BB's and his high K totals don't really kill *that* many rallies if he's hitting after the pitcher.

CJohnson hitting 7th or 8th, wow. That's a scary offense, at least on paper.

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My projected batting order..

1. Simmons ®

2. Heyward (L)

3. J. Upton ®

4. Freeman (L)

5. BJ Upton ®

6. McCann (L)

7. Uggla ®

8. Johnson/Francisco

I don't see any other combination that works better than this. The Braves have been looking for people to break up their left-handed hitting lineup for a few years now and have finally done it with the Uptons. They lack a true leadoff hitter so Simmons and Heyward (if this is the lineup) will be keys and will have to get on base consistently.

I think that makes a lot of sense if Simmons is up to it but if he can't then I would think it would be:

BJ

Heyward

J. Upton

Freeman

McCann

Uggla

Johnson/Francisco

Simmons

Everything I have heard and read is that the Braves view BJ as a middle of the order type of guy. I would really bet on Simmons leading off at the beginning of the year. BJ may be a 2nd or 3rd option if Simmons cant get the job done.

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Upton Bros are living off their prospect hype. I get the power/speed #'s, but that whole getting on base thing probably hurts the top of the Braves lineup. BJ hasn't hit over .250 in 5 years! Justin could be a huge score because of his age, but outside of his breakout year in 2011 he has never hit over 30HR or 90RBI.

Good score for the Braves, but I see them living or dying with the Upton Bros ability to live up to hype.

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wow, the braves outfield is amazing Upton/Upton/Heyward. almost on par with the angels outfield of Trout/Hamilton/Bourjos.

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My projected batting order..

1. Simmons ®

2. Heyward (L)

3. J. Upton ®

4. Freeman (L)

5. BJ Upton ®

6. McCann (L)

7. Uggla ®

8. Johnson/Francisco

I don't see any other combination that works better than this. The Braves have been looking for people to break up their left-handed hitting lineup for a few years now and have finally done it with the Uptons. They lack a true leadoff hitter so Simmons and Heyward (if this is the lineup) will be keys and will have to get on base consistently.

I think that makes a lot of sense if Simmons is up to it but if he can't then I would think it would be:

BJ

Heyward

J. Upton

Freeman

McCann

Uggla

Johnson/Francisco

Simmons

Everything I have heard and read is that the Braves view BJ as a middle of the order type of guy. I would really bet on Simmons leading off at the beginning of the year. BJ may be a 2nd or 3rd option if Simmons cant get the job done.

I'd think 6/7 in the lineup is his optimal spot for BJ (he's just not a very good contact hitter), but if Simmons can't handle the job, then who are you going to put up there? Prado's loss and his ability to hit in a lot of different spots including leadoff in a pinch will definitely be felt....

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My projected batting order..

1. Simmons ®

2. Heyward (L)

3. J. Upton ®

4. Freeman (L)

5. BJ Upton ®

6. McCann (L)

7. Uggla ®

8. Johnson/Francisco

I don't see any other combination that works better than this. The Braves have been looking for people to break up their left-handed hitting lineup for a few years now and have finally done it with the Uptons. They lack a true leadoff hitter so Simmons and Heyward (if this is the lineup) will be keys and will have to get on base consistently.

I think that makes a lot of sense if Simmons is up to it but if he can't then I would think it would be:

BJ

Heyward

J. Upton

Freeman

McCann

Uggla

Johnson/Francisco

Simmons

I just posted this same lineup in the J Upton thread.

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wow, the braves outfield is amazing Upton/Upton/Heyward. almost on par with the angels outfield of Trout/Hamilton/Bourjos.

Not yet

Career AVG (162 games):

AVG/HR/RBI/SB/OPS

Trout: .306/32/90/48SB OPS .911

Hamilton: .304/35/122 OPS .913

Bourjos: .247/11/42/19SB OPS .703

BJ: .252/20/75/39SB .758

Justin: .278/24/80/18SB .832

Heyward: .261/22/74/16SB .799

BJ, Justin, Heyward might turn out to be elite, but their numbers aren't. Trout and Hamilton are truly elite (When Healthy)

I don't know. I just can't get past the fact that the Upton bros hit sub .280 every year.

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Posted this in the J Upton thread but probably belongs here.

BJ Upton 5.01

Heyward 5.80

J Upton 6.11

Freeman 5.38

McCann 4.79

Uggla 4.47

Francisco 4.27 / Johnson 4.28

Simmons 3.87

That's a RC/G of 4.96 per game adding 2.00 RC/G for a pitcher (just a guess) puts them at 4.63 per game. National league average was 4.21 last season, Milwaukee was the best at 4.79 but Miller Park has a lot to do with that.

Either way its a pretty solid lineup with very few easy outs. Lots of power and lots of guys that will work a count, and the core 3 are 23, 23, and 25 years old.

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Posted this in the J Upton thread but probably belongs here.

BJ Upton 5.01

Heyward 5.80

J Upton 6.11

Freeman 5.38

McCann 4.79

Uggla 4.47

Francisco 4.27 / Johnson 4.28

Simmons 3.87

That's a RC/G of 4.96 per game adding 2.00 RC/G for a pitcher (just a guess) puts them at 4.63 per game. National league average was 4.21 last season, Milwaukee was the best at 4.79 but Miller Park has a lot to do with that.

Either way its a pretty solid lineup with very few easy outs. Lots of power and lots of guys that will work a count, and the core 3 are 23, 23, and 25 years old.

Looking at that lineup I see a lot of K's and and .260 average.

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Upton/Upton/Heyward

If they stay healthy all year, they will have at least 460 strikeouts between them...

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Upton/Upton/Heyward

If they stay healthy all year, they will have at least 460 strikeouts between them...

THIS

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Re: Uptons - let's be clear - the 2 brothers are not the same offensively. BJ is what he is - a high K, .250-ish hitter who is very patient, will see a LOT of pitches, and offer fantastic range and great routes in CF. he has dogged it in the past, and rightfully drawn the ire of fans & owners alike (although last year he was well-behaved). Wheile he will always K a ton, he will take walks & offers 50+ SB skills.

J-Up offers the much higher skill set - power/speed/avg. - less SB but way more HR / .avg and a better contact profile. The 30/30 talk fits him better in ATL. The D is a bigger issue because he misjudged ball routes - which is why I think J-Hey stays in RF (but it really is a flip of the coin). Unlike BJ, he has always been the consummate pro & never dogged it or made public complaints - hopefully that will rub off on BJ.

Add in that Heyward is even younger and thus has even more room to grow, the K's will be there for sure - but while BJ is capped in terms of .avg/K reduction, J-Up & Heyward offer the real hope these will continue to improve.

And, under the angle that TB likes to address - run prevention - there is no denying the OF D will be awesome with health - all 3 can cover a ton of ground, have strong arms and BJ/Heyward take great paths to the ball.

It's easy to look at weaknesses - there are rarely any complete packages. But the Braves improved their O AND their D - the cumulative effect is impressive.

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wow, the braves outfield is amazing Upton/Upton/Heyward. almost on par with the angels outfield of Trout/Hamilton/Bourjos.

Not yet

Career AVG (162 games):

AVG/HR/RBI/SB/OPS

Trout: .306/32/90/48SB OPS .911

Hamilton: .304/35/122 OPS .913

Bourjos: .247/11/42/19SB OPS .703

BJ: .252/20/75/39SB .758

Justin: .278/24/80/18SB .832

Heyward: .261/22/74/16SB .799

BJ, Justin, Heyward might turn out to be elite, but their numbers aren't. Trout and Hamilton are truly elite (When Healthy)

I don't know. I just can't get past the fact that the Upton bros hit sub .280 every year.

Yeah but this year. The Braves OF will be better. Trout and Hamilton are better than Justin and Heyward, but not by enough to make up for how much better BJ is than Bourjous.

Using career numbers is clearly biased towards LAA. Trout had a year last year that he isn't likely to reproduce for another year or two. Hamilton came into the league far later in life than Heyward and The Uptons. Justin and Heyward are finally to the point in their career where they have high chances of being top All-Stars.

Either way you slice it it'll be very close. If the Upton brothers being together creates the type of magic that I think it's capable of I think The Braves could have the best OF in the league.

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wow, the braves outfield is amazing Upton/Upton/Heyward. almost on par with the angels outfield of Trout/Hamilton/Bourjos.

Not yet

Career AVG (162 games):

AVG/HR/RBI/SB/OPS

Trout: .306/32/90/48SB OPS .911

Hamilton: .304/35/122 OPS .913

Bourjos: .247/11/42/19SB OPS .703

BJ: .252/20/75/39SB .758

Justin: .278/24/80/18SB .832

Heyward: .261/22/74/16SB .799

BJ, Justin, Heyward might turn out to be elite, but their numbers aren't. Trout and Hamilton are truly elite (When Healthy)

I don't know. I just can't get past the fact that the Upton bros hit sub .280 every year.

Yeah but this year. The Braves OF will be better. Trout and Hamilton are better than Justin and Heyward, but not by enough to make up for how much better BJ is than Bourjous.

Using career numbers is clearly biased towards LAA. Trout had a year last year that he isn't likely to reproduce for another year or two. Hamilton came into the league far later in life than Heyward and The Uptons. Justin and Heyward are finally to the point in their career where they have high chances of being top All-Stars.

Either way you slice it it'll be very close. If the Upton brothers being together creates the type of magic that I think it's capable of I think The Braves could have the best OF in the league.

Agreed, but I Bourjos has never played a full year as a starter. I think he has potential to swipe 30+ bags.

I guess I just have a hard time getting excited about the Uptons

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Posted this in the J Upton thread but probably belongs here.

BJ Upton 5.01

Heyward 5.80

J Upton 6.11

Freeman 5.38

McCann 4.79

Uggla 4.47

Francisco 4.27 / Johnson 4.28

Simmons 3.87

That's a RC/G of 4.96 per game adding 2.00 RC/G for a pitcher (just a guess) puts them at 4.63 per game. National league average was 4.21 last season, Milwaukee was the best at 4.79 but Miller Park has a lot to do with that.

Either way its a pretty solid lineup with very few easy outs. Lots of power and lots of guys that will work a count, and the core 3 are 23, 23, and 25 years old.

Looking at that lineup I see a lot of K's and and .260 average.

Upton/Upton/Heyward

If they stay healthy all year, they will have at least 460 strikeouts between them...

Upton/Upton/Heyward

If they stay healthy all year, they will have at least 460 strikeouts between them...

THIS

Runs are runs....doesn't matter how you get them. High K's usually correlates to high HRs. HR = runs. Last season the NYY finished 2nd in the MLB in runs scored and hit .263 collectively.

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I am actually very interested the on the ripple effect for how Freeman will perform. He was blossoming the last month into their most consistent run producer and with the protection he will be surrounded he could surpass 100 RBI's easily.

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Posted this in the J Upton thread but probably belongs here.

BJ Upton 5.01

Heyward 5.80

J Upton 6.11

Freeman 5.38

McCann 4.79

Uggla 4.47

Francisco 4.27 / Johnson 4.28

Simmons 3.87

That's a RC/G of 4.96 per game adding 2.00 RC/G for a pitcher (just a guess) puts them at 4.63 per game. National league average was 4.21 last season, Milwaukee was the best at 4.79 but Miller Park has a lot to do with that.

Either way its a pretty solid lineup with very few easy outs. Lots of power and lots of guys that will work a count, and the core 3 are 23, 23, and 25 years old.

Looking at that lineup I see a lot of K's and and .260 average.

Upton/Upton/Heyward

If they stay healthy all year, they will have at least 460 strikeouts between them...

Upton/Upton/Heyward

If they stay healthy all year, they will have at least 460 strikeouts between them...

THIS

Runs are runs....doesn't matter how you get them. High K's usually correlates to high HRs. HR = runs. Last season the NYY finished 2nd in the MLB in runs scored and hit .263 collectively.

I think what we were getting at is that this team will live or die by the long ball. That's a dangerous way to live. Especially when you have guys like the notoriously slump prone Uggla on your squad.

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Posted this in the J Upton thread but probably belongs here.

BJ Upton 5.01

Heyward 5.80

J Upton 6.11

Freeman 5.38

McCann 4.79

Uggla 4.47

Francisco 4.27 / Johnson 4.28

Simmons 3.87

That's a RC/G of 4.96 per game adding 2.00 RC/G for a pitcher (just a guess) puts them at 4.63 per game. National league average was 4.21 last season, Milwaukee was the best at 4.79 but Miller Park has a lot to do with that.

Either way its a pretty solid lineup with very few easy outs. Lots of power and lots of guys that will work a count, and the core 3 are 23, 23, and 25 years old.

Looking at that lineup I see a lot of K's and and .260 average.

Upton/Upton/Heyward

If they stay healthy all year, they will have at least 460 strikeouts between them...

Upton/Upton/Heyward

If they stay healthy all year, they will have at least 460 strikeouts between them...

THIS

Runs are runs....doesn't matter how you get them. High K's usually correlates to high HRs. HR = runs. Last season the NYY finished 2nd in the MLB in runs scored and hit .263 collectively.

There is the argument that in the playoffs, HR's are harder to come by.

BUT...

1. You have a much better chance to go far in the playoffs if you do better in the regular season (since WC is a tougher spot than Division winner) - so regular season O output matters a ton.

2. Uptons x 2, Heyward & Simmons offer the SB (at a high success rate) to help when "small ball" needed.

So yeah, I accept the premise the Braves' O is a lot better than 2012 for sure...and the speed is a great counterbalance to the K's (in a perfect world low K would be the 4th cog in the 4 cornerstones of juggernaut O's - contact, power, speed & patience <BB & high pitch counts/AB>), but K is the most expendable in today's HR-crazy era...

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Posted this in the J Upton thread but probably belongs here.

BJ Upton 5.01

Heyward 5.80

J Upton 6.11

Freeman 5.38

McCann 4.79

Uggla 4.47

Francisco 4.27 / Johnson 4.28

Simmons 3.87

That's a RC/G of 4.96 per game adding 2.00 RC/G for a pitcher (just a guess) puts them at 4.63 per game. National league average was 4.21 last season, Milwaukee was the best at 4.79 but Miller Park has a lot to do with that.

Either way its a pretty solid lineup with very few easy outs. Lots of power and lots of guys that will work a count, and the core 3 are 23, 23, and 25 years old.

Looking at that lineup I see a lot of K's and and .260 average.

Upton/Upton/Heyward

If they stay healthy all year, they will have at least 460 strikeouts between them...

Upton/Upton/Heyward

If they stay healthy all year, they will have at least 460 strikeouts between them...

THIS

Runs are runs....doesn't matter how you get them. High K's usually correlates to high HRs. HR = runs. Last season the NYY finished 2nd in the MLB in runs scored and hit .263 collectively.

There is the argument that in the playoffs, HR's are harder to come by.

BUT...

1. You have a much better chance to go far in the playoffs if you do better in the regular season (since WC is a tougher spot than Division winner) - so regular season O output matters a ton.

2. Uptons x 2, Heyward & Simmons offer the SB (at a high success rate) to help when "small ball" needed.

So yeah, I accept the premise the Braves' O is a lot better than 2012 for sure...and the speed is a great counterbalance to the K's (in a perfect world low K would be the 4th cog in the 4 cornerstones of juggernaut O's - contact, power, speed & patience <BB & high pitch counts/AB>), but K is the most expendable in today's HR-crazy era...

Giants were DEAD LAST in HR last year.....

and won the World Series

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I know it doesn't pertain to fantasy directly but people are overlooking at just how great that OF is now defensively. Whatever flaws the lineup as a whole may have with making consistent contact they are going to be more than making up for it in the support they will give their pitching staff.

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Upton/Upton/Heyward

If they stay healthy all year, they will have at least 460 strikeouts between them...

That is extremely high. BJ is the only one who will K more than 150 times. Justin and Jason will be around 110 - 115 each.

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