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Keeper League Rankings

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I'm doing research for my upcoming keeper league draft and I'm really struggling to rank players in the first couple of rounds. After the big three (Trout, Braun, Cabrera), there are about 20-25 players that could go anywhere in the first couple of rounds.

Just for fun, how do you think the first two rounds would play out in the first year of a keeper league? Let's keep it simple and go with 12 teams and as difficult as it might be, let's try to ignore the format. Just the best overall players.

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Here's how I pre-ranked the first 60 players in a keeper league draft that I've got coming up. I used the Keeper Experts website as a main source:

  • 1. Ryan Braun
  • 2. Miguel Cabrera
  • 3. Bryce Harper
  • 4. Justin Upton
  • 5. Andrew McCutchen
  • 6. Mike Trout
  • 7. Joey Votto
  • 8. Stephen Strasburg
  • 9. Robinson Cano
  • 10. Clayton Kershaw
  • 11. Justin Verlander
  • 12. Dustin Pedroia
  • 13. Jose Reyes
  • 14. Matt Kemp
  • 15. Albert Pujols
  • 16. David Price
  • 17. Carlos Gonzalez
  • 18. Ryan Zimmerman
  • 19. Prince Fielder
  • 20. Jay Bruce
  • 21. Max Scherzer
  • 22. Giancarlo Stanton
  • 23. Cole Hamels
  • 24. Felix Hernandez
  • 25. Troy Tulowitzki
  • 26. Josh Hamilton
  • 27. Matt Cain
  • 28. Jered Weaver
  • 29. Starlin Castro
  • 30. Jason Kipnis
  • 31. Evan Longoria
  • 32. David Wright
  • 33. Matt Wieters
  • 34. Buster Posey
  • 35. Billy Butler
  • 36. Madison Bumgarner
  • 37. Cliff Lee
  • 38. Eric Hosmer
  • 39. Matt Moore
  • 40. Manny Machado
  • 41. Todd Frazier
  • 42. Aroldis Chapman
  • 43. Craig Kimbrel
  • 44. Carlos Santana
  • 45. Hanley Ramirez
  • 46. Joe Mauer
  • 47. Chris Sale
  • 48. Yovani Gallardo
  • 49. Jonathan Papelbon
  • 50. Jesus Montero
  • 51. Adam Jones
  • 52. Aaron Hill
  • 53. Zack Greinke
  • 54. Adam Wainwright
  • 55. B.J. Upton
  • 56. Ian Desmond
  • 57. Yoenis Cespedes
  • 58. Yadier Molina
  • 59. James Shields
  • 60. Aramis Ramirez

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Here's how I pre-ranked the first 60 players in a keeper league draft that I've got coming up. I used the Keeper Experts website as a main source:

  • 3. Bryce Harper
  • 6. Mike Trout

  • 8. Stephen Strasburg
  • 10. Clayton Kershaw

  • 4. Justin Upton
  • 14. Matt Kemp

  • 18. Ryan Zimmerman
  • 31. Evan Longoria

  • 21. Max Scherzer
  • 23. Cole Hamels

  • 33. Matt Wieters
  • 34. Buster Posey

  • 53. Zack Greinke
  • 54. Adam Wainwright

Thanks for the list -- I love views like this. This looks decent, although I've called out a few pairs that stand out as odd to me:

3 vs 6: Trout is a superstar already, Harper may become a superstar. You gotta take the player who has already made elite status.

8 vs 10: Same principle as above. Strasburg has one great season. Kershaw has four. And Kershaw is only one year older.

4 vs 14: Really? Upton is lousy outside of Chase Field. He's younger than Kemp, but that's about all. I would have Upton 15-20.

18 vs 31: Another surprise -- Longo has never had an OPS below .850. Zimm has been over .850 only twice and is a year older

21 vs 23: I love Mad Max, but that takes some serious guts to put him over Hamels and Felix.

33 vs 34: I'll take the guy who already hits .300+/20 HR over the guy who might possibly hit .280/30 HR. By a wide margin.

53 vs 54: Am I the only one who thinks Greinke will be a stud in LA? A 1.20 WHIP and 8.5 K/9 looks awesome moving to that park.

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Here's how I pre-ranked the first 60 players in a keeper league draft that I've got coming up. I used the Keeper Experts website as a main source:

  • 3. Bryce Harper
  • 6. Mike Trout

  • 8. Stephen Strasburg
  • 10. Clayton Kershaw

  • 4. Justin Upton
  • 14. Matt Kemp

  • 18. Ryan Zimmerman
  • 31. Evan Longoria

  • 21. Max Scherzer
  • 23. Cole Hamels

  • 33. Matt Wieters
  • 34. Buster Posey

  • 53. Zack Greinke
  • 54. Adam Wainwright

Thanks for the list -- I love views like this. This looks decent, although I've called out a few pairs that stand out as odd to me:

3 vs 6: Trout is a superstar already, Harper may become a superstar. You gotta take the player who has already made elite status.

8 vs 10: Same principle as above. Strasburg has one great season. Kershaw has four. And Kershaw is only one year older.

4 vs 14: Really? Upton is lousy outside of Chase Field. He's younger than Kemp, but that's about all. I would have Upton 15-20.

18 vs 31: Another surprise -- Longo has never had an OPS below .850. Zimm has been over .850 only twice and is a year older

21 vs 23: I love Mad Max, but that takes some serious guts to put him over Hamels and Felix.

33 vs 34: I'll take the guy who already hits .300+/20 HR over the guy who might possibly hit .280/30 HR. By a wide margin.

53 vs 54: Am I the only one who thinks Greinke will be a stud in LA? A 1.20 WHIP and 8.5 K/9 looks awesome moving to that park.

I gotta agree with everything you said.

Since I value your input, how would you rank the following in a keeper league: Albert Pujols, Carlos Gonzalez, Prince Fielder, Joey Votto, Robinson Cano, Troy Tulowitzki.

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I wouldn't have Todd Frazier up there at 41 either. I'd much rather have almost everyone else below him on that list.

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Here's how I pre-ranked the first 60 players in a keeper league draft that I've got coming up. I used the Keeper Experts website as a main source:

  • 3. Bryce Harper
  • 6. Mike Trout

  • 8. Stephen Strasburg
  • 10. Clayton Kershaw

  • 4. Justin Upton
  • 14. Matt Kemp

  • 18. Ryan Zimmerman
  • 31. Evan Longoria

  • 21. Max Scherzer
  • 23. Cole Hamels

  • 33. Matt Wieters
  • 34. Buster Posey

  • 53. Zack Greinke
  • 54. Adam Wainwright

Thanks for the list -- I love views like this. This looks decent, although I've called out a few pairs that stand out as odd to me:

3 vs 6: Trout is a superstar already, Harper may become a superstar. You gotta take the player who has already made elite status.

8 vs 10: Same principle as above. Strasburg has one great season. Kershaw has four. And Kershaw is only one year older.

4 vs 14: Really? Upton is lousy outside of Chase Field. He's younger than Kemp, but that's about all. I would have Upton 15-20.

18 vs 31: Another surprise -- Longo has never had an OPS below .850. Zimm has been over .850 only twice and is a year older

21 vs 23: I love Mad Max, but that takes some serious guts to put him over Hamels and Felix.

33 vs 34: I'll take the guy who already hits .300+/20 HR over the guy who might possibly hit .280/30 HR. By a wide margin.

53 vs 54: Am I the only one who thinks Greinke will be a stud in LA? A 1.20 WHIP and 8.5 K/9 looks awesome moving to that park.

I agree with all of them except 53 v 54. I think BOTH will be studs this year, so either or the other I wouldn't mind. I am actually targeting them as the 1-2 for my staff. Also 21 v 22 is silly. Scherzer, a pitcher, ahead of a young stud hitter (Stanton)? Um, no. Stanton may be in a terrible line up but you don't put a pitcher with a weird motion and a high chance of injury over a guy with a chance of 500+ homers. I won't dissect that whole list though because any time someone makes a list there will be disagreement.

Personally, I look at keeper leagues with a 2-3 year window in mind. People overrate youth way too much in these formats. Who knows what we will be doing 4,5 years from now. I want to win now but still have enough youth that I can be highly competitive next year and the one after that. In a 3 year span it's already tough to predict injuries and trades and etc, so I strongly disagree when someone picks a guy 2 rounds too early because of youth. If you are debating two players than youth at that point can be a factor, but don't draft a Justin Upton so early based purely on upside and age.

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Here's how I pre-ranked the first 60 players in a keeper league draft that I've got coming up. I used the Keeper Experts website as a main source:

  • 3. Bryce Harper
  • 6. Mike Trout

  • 8. Stephen Strasburg
  • 10. Clayton Kershaw

  • 4. Justin Upton
  • 14. Matt Kemp

  • 18. Ryan Zimmerman
  • 31. Evan Longoria

  • 21. Max Scherzer
  • 23. Cole Hamels

  • 33. Matt Wieters
  • 34. Buster Posey

  • 53. Zack Greinke
  • 54. Adam Wainwright

Thanks for the list -- I love views like this. This looks decent, although I've called out a few pairs that stand out as odd to me:

3 vs 6: Trout is a superstar already, Harper may become a superstar. You gotta take the player who has already made elite status.

8 vs 10: Same principle as above. Strasburg has one great season. Kershaw has four. And Kershaw is only one year older.

4 vs 14: Really? Upton is lousy outside of Chase Field. He's younger than Kemp, but that's about all. I would have Upton 15-20.

18 vs 31: Another surprise -- Longo has never had an OPS below .850. Zimm has been over .850 only twice and is a year older

21 vs 23: I love Mad Max, but that takes some serious guts to put him over Hamels and Felix.

33 vs 34: I'll take the guy who already hits .300+/20 HR over the guy who might possibly hit .280/30 HR. By a wide margin.

53 vs 54: Am I the only one who thinks Greinke will be a stud in LA? A 1.20 WHIP and 8.5 K/9 looks awesome moving to that park.

I agree with all of them except 53 v 54. I think BOTH will be studs this year, so either or the other I wouldn't mind. I am actually targeting them as the 1-2 for my staff. Also 21 v 22 is silly. Scherzer, a pitcher, ahead of a young stud hitter (Stanton)? Um, no. Stanton may be in a terrible line up but you don't put a pitcher with a weird motion and a high chance of injury over a guy with a chance of 500+ homers. I won't dissect that whole list though because any time someone makes a list there will be disagreement.

Personally, I look at keeper leagues with a 2-3 year window in mind. People overrate youth way too much in these formats. Who knows what we will be doing 4,5 years from now. I want to win now but still have enough youth that I can be highly competitive next year and the one after that. In a 3 year span it's already tough to predict injuries and trades and etc, so I strongly disagree when someone picks a guy 2 rounds too early because of youth. If you are debating two players than youth at that point can be a factor, but don't draft a Justin Upton so early based purely on upside and age.

The problem people have sometimes with "keeper" leagues is that they sacrifice a chance to win a championship this year because they have visions of winning three championships in a row 3 to 5 years from now.

I always wonder a few things too when it comes to these types of leagues:

1. How many of them are around 3 to 5 years down the line that so many owners are focused on when they set up these rankings?

2. In leagues where there is no value to keepers, no auction price, no contracts, no rounds, just keep guys forever, I often wonder how many times these leagues fold because teams are just stacked and people dont want to play. To me, keeper leagues that work are either auction with a cap or draft rounds tied to where these guys were drafted and they arent forever and perhaps they get a little more expensive each year.

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2. In leagues where there is no value to keepers, no auction price, no contracts, no rounds, just keep guys forever, I often wonder how many times these leagues fold because teams are just stacked and people dont want to play. To me, keeper leagues that work are either auction with a cap or draft rounds tied to where these guys were drafted and they arent forever and perhaps they get a little more expensive each year.

Quite true. I ran a 12-team, 6 keepers per team league exactly like you described. No penalty for keeping a player, and you could keep the player in perpetuity. By year 5, three to four teams were stacked, and the others had to REALLY get lucky to compete. The league folded pretty soon after that since half the league had no interest in playing in a league where they realistically had no chance.

If I remember correctly, my team had Votto, Longoria, Tulowitzki, Braun, Kemp, and Kershaw as my six keepers by year 5. It wasn't even fun anymore.

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2. In leagues where there is no value to keepers, no auction price, no contracts, no rounds, just keep guys forever, I often wonder how many times these leagues fold because teams are just stacked and people dont want to play. To me, keeper leagues that work are either auction with a cap or draft rounds tied to where these guys were drafted and they arent forever and perhaps they get a little more expensive each year.

Quite true. I ran a 12-team, 6 keepers per team league exactly like you described. No penalty for keeping a player, and you could keep the player in perpetuity. By year 5, three to four teams were stacked, and the others had to REALLY get lucky to compete. The league folded pretty soon after that since half the league had no interest in playing in a league where they realistically had no chance.

If I remember correctly, my team had Votto, Longoria, Tulowitzki, Braun, Kemp, and Kershaw as my six keepers by year 5. It wasn't even fun anymore.

Im all for keeper leagues, but I think you need keepers with like a 3-4 year limit and some cost to it. Im also a big believer if you want a competitive league you should eliminate benches and free agency in keeper leagues, that way if a team has spots that are killing them, they have to sacrifice future assets to shore up those holes.

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I gotta agree with everything you said.

Since I value your input, how would you rank the following in a keeper league: Albert Pujols, Carlos Gonzalez, Prince Fielder, Joey Votto, Robinson Cano, Troy Tulowitzki.

Oof, those are tough. I'll go by tiers:

Votto (the best of the bunch when healthy), Pujols and Cano in that order.

then

CarGo, Prince, Tulo.

It hurts to take Votto over Pujols, but there's a real chance that Pujols never hits .300 / 40 HR again. I wouldn't be against taking Votto #3 overall, after Miggy and Braun.

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2. In leagues where there is no value to keepers, no auction price, no contracts, no rounds, just keep guys forever, I often wonder how many times these leagues fold because teams are just stacked and people dont want to play. To me, keeper leagues that work are either auction with a cap or draft rounds tied to where these guys were drafted and they arent forever and perhaps they get a little more expensive each year.

Quite true. I ran a 12-team, 6 keepers per team league exactly like you described. No penalty for keeping a player, and you could keep the player in perpetuity. By year 5, three to four teams were stacked, and the others had to REALLY get lucky to compete. The league folded pretty soon after that since half the league had no interest in playing in a league where they realistically had no chance.

If I remember correctly, my team had Votto, Longoria, Tulowitzki, Braun, Kemp, and Kershaw as my six keepers by year 5. It wasn't even fun anymore.

Im all for keeper leagues, but I think you need keepers with like a 3-4 year limit and some cost to it. Im also a big believer if you want a competitive league you should eliminate benches and free agency in keeper leagues, that way if a team has spots that are killing them, they have to sacrifice future assets to shore up those holes.

In my keeper league, each manager gets 20 contract years to hand out to players. You can't extend active contracts (so that managers can't keep players forever) and there is a penalty if you drop a player during his contract. Also, whatever round you draft the guy in is the round you have to give up to keep him. I like it because there's a lot of strategy involved.

In my old keeper league, we all had to keep 6 guys every year...no more, no less. It got really boring when most people kept the same players year to year.

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Here's how I pre-ranked the first 60 players in a keeper league draft that I've got coming up. I used the Keeper Experts website as a main source:

  • 3. Bryce Harper
  • 6. Mike Trout

  • 8. Stephen Strasburg
  • 10. Clayton Kershaw

  • 4. Justin Upton
  • 14. Matt Kemp

  • 18. Ryan Zimmerman
  • 31. Evan Longoria

  • 21. Max Scherzer
  • 23. Cole Hamels

  • 33. Matt Wieters
  • 34. Buster Posey

  • 53. Zack Greinke
  • 54. Adam Wainwright

Thanks for the list -- I love views like this. This looks decent, although I've called out a few pairs that stand out as odd to me:

3 vs 6: Trout is a superstar already, Harper may become a superstar. You gotta take the player who has already made elite status.

8 vs 10: Same principle as above. Strasburg has one great season. Kershaw has four. And Kershaw is only one year older.

4 vs 14: Really? Upton is lousy outside of Chase Field. He's younger than Kemp, but that's about all. I would have Upton 15-20.

18 vs 31: Another surprise -- Longo has never had an OPS below .850. Zimm has been over .850 only twice and is a year older

21 vs 23: I love Mad Max, but that takes some serious guts to put him over Hamels and Felix.

33 vs 34: I'll take the guy who already hits .300+/20 HR over the guy who might possibly hit .280/30 HR. By a wide margin.

53 vs 54: Am I the only one who thinks Greinke will be a stud in LA? A 1.20 WHIP and 8.5 K/9 looks awesome moving to that park.

Yeah I don't get the love for Ryan Zimmerman at all. At least not to that level.

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Here's how I pre-ranked the first 60 players in a keeper league draft that I've got coming up. I used the Keeper Experts website as a main source:

  • 1. Ryan Braun
  • 2. Miguel Cabrera
  • 3. Bryce Harper
  • 4. Justin Upton
  • 5. Andrew McCutchen
  • 6. Mike Trout
  • 7. Joey Votto
  • 8. Stephen Strasburg
  • 9. Robinson Cano
  • 10. Clayton Kershaw
  • 11. Justin Verlander
  • 12. Dustin Pedroia
  • 13. Jose Reyes
  • 14. Matt Kemp
  • 15. Albert Pujols
  • 16. David Price
  • 17. Carlos Gonzalez
  • 18. Ryan Zimmerman
  • 19. Prince Fielder
  • 20. Jay Bruce
  • 21. Max Scherzer
  • 22. Giancarlo Stanton
  • 23. Cole Hamels
  • 24. Felix Hernandez
  • 25. Troy Tulowitzki
  • 26. Josh Hamilton
  • 27. Matt Cain
  • 28. Jered Weaver
  • 29. Starlin Castro
  • 30. Jason Kipnis

I think this list is trash. Reasons:

a) Trout #6? There is absolutely no logical argument for not having him #1 or 2.

B) Strasburg ahead of Kershaw? not only has Kerhsaw been flout out better by a pretty wide margin, but hes also much less of an injury risk.

c) Verlander #2 SP ahead of Fernandez, Darvish, Bumgarner, Felix, Sale, and Wainwright? Verly is not even ahead of those guys THIS year, and certainly not a better bet longterm.

d) forget a, b, and c. I just saw Weaver listed as your #6 overall pitcher. Thats awful. he is in decline and not getting any younger. Weaver is not even inside the top 20 SP's.

e) Pedroia at 12..... and Kipnis waaaay down at 30? Kipnis is almost unanimously considered the #2 2B baseman RIGHT NOW, let alone over the next few years as Pedroia declines.

d) whoah whoah whoah.. was that a Zimmerman sighting? Inside the top 20?

somebody must've cut in line because there is absolutely no way anyone can defend Zimm as the #2 keeper third baseman.

e) oh ****! i think... did I... YES I DID! I just missed Pujols at #15!

Goldschmidt? Freddie? Prince?

f) aaaaaaaaand i just realized that this was a post from 2013. still trash though.

who's the tard that bumped this garbage?

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Cs3, thanks for spotting the dates. I missed them too until you mentioned it. I though tit was some guy trolling at first.

Looks like that list's predictions for 2013 were pretty terrible. In fact the list looks like it was outdated for even 2012. Love that Paps was the only closer listed period. Even going into 2013 no one would have done that.

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go to fantasyrundown.com

They have a lot of different rankings including keeper/dynasty rankings. Use the sites and rankings as a guide a build your own ultimate list.

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That was pretty funny, absolutely crushing a 2013 preseason keeper list.

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