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Robinson Cano 2013 Outlook

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Did not see a 2013 thread for the king of anti-clutch Robbie Cano. Calzonesays posted this is the Teixeira thread thought it brought for interesting debate this is the projected Yankees lineup now that Teixeira may be out for an extended perioid of time with a wrist injury:

Ichiro! (declining)

Derek Jeter (coming off of major ankle surgery)

Robinson Cano (will barely get pitched to)

Kevin Youkilis (before he gets injured, 1B/3B)

Hafner (before he gets injured, DH)

Juan Rivera/Melky Mesa (LF, lol!)

Eduardo Nunez (1B/3B)

Francisco Cervelli (Everyday Catcher!)

Brett Gardner CF

Granderson out 6 weeks, ARod out probably most of the season, Teixeira who knows. All of sudden this lineup looks like a bottom 10 lineup. A lot of Cano`s value has derived from the fact that he played in an elite lineup for counting stats, and his ballpark catered to them being an offensive juggernaunt. Is it an overreaction to drop this guy out of the first round?

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Oh how appropriate it is for you to be the one to make the Cano thread this year. :lol:

It's a fair observation. That lineup looks pretty underwhelming. Dropping him out of the first round is crazy talk though just because Cano is still far and away the best middle infield option in the league. I don't see much of a drop off in counting stats from last year just because I don't think he hits like .150 with RISP again this year. As long as he still hits .300 with 28+ homers he should be around 100/100 in runs/rbis give or take a few. And that is far better then any other MI can give you.

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Oh how appropriate it is for you to be the one to make the Cano thread this year. :lol:

It's a fair observation. That lineup looks pretty underwhelming. Dropping him out of the first round is crazy talk though just because Cano is still far and away the best middle infield option in the league. I don't see much of a drop off in counting stats from last year just because I don't think he hits like .150 with RISP again this year. As long as he still hits .300 with 28+ homers he should be around 100/100 in runs/rbis give or take a few. And that is far better then any other MI can give you.

Valid point with his RISP numbers. It would be very difficult to repeat that putrid number again. That figure probably goes up so he shouldnt have much trouble reaching his RBI total of last year. However, he has little margin for error in returning top value because he gets like 0 SBs. So if his statistical contributions go down a bit across the board he does not become a great value. For instance he had 105 runs last year. What if that drops down to 90. And what if RBIs drop to 90, and then HRs drop to 30. So you have a .310 average, 30 HR, 90 RBI, 90 Run, 0 SB guy. I would rather have Pedoria at that point honestly and take the .300 average, 100 runs, 20 HR, 75-80 RBI, 20 SB production. The little less HR and RBI is offset by the much greater number of SBs. Interesting debate for sure. I think Cano is still a first rounder, but I would be surprised if he gave back top 20 production in terms of where he ranks on player rater, and such fantasy metrics.

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Oh how appropriate it is for you to be the one to make the Cano thread this year. :lol:

It's a fair observation. That lineup looks pretty underwhelming. Dropping him out of the first round is crazy talk though just because Cano is still far and away the best middle infield option in the league. I don't see much of a drop off in counting stats from last year just because I don't think he hits like .150 with RISP again this year. As long as he still hits .300 with 28+ homers he should be around 100/100 in runs/rbis give or take a few. And that is far better then any other MI can give you.

Valid point with his RISP numbers. It would be very difficult to repeat that putrid number again. That figure probably goes up so he shouldnt have much trouble reaching his RBI total of last year. However, he has little margin for error in returning top value because he gets like 0 SBs. So if his statistical contributions go down a bit across the board he does not become a great value. For instance he had 105 runs last year. What if that drops down to 90. And what if RBIs drop to 90, and then HRs drop to 30. So you have a .310 average, 30 HR, 90 RBI, 90 Run, 0 SB guy. I would rather have Pedoria at that point honestly and take the .300 average, 100 runs, 20 HR, 75-80 RBI, 20 SB production. The little less HR and RBI is offset by the much greater number of SBs. Interesting debate for sure. I think Cano is still a first rounder, but I would be surprised if he gave back top 20 production in terms of where he ranks on player rater, and such fantasy metrics.

Not to mention you can get Pedroia late in the 2nd round while Cano is going top 10 in almost all drafts. That's a better "value" pick IMO.

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Oh how appropriate it is for you to be the one to make the Cano thread this year. :lol:

It's a fair observation. That lineup looks pretty underwhelming. Dropping him out of the first round is crazy talk though just because Cano is still far and away the best middle infield option in the league. I don't see much of a drop off in counting stats from last year just because I don't think he hits like .150 with RISP again this year. As long as he still hits .300 with 28+ homers he should be around 100/100 in runs/rbis give or take a few. And that is far better then any other MI can give you.

Valid point with his RISP numbers. It would be very difficult to repeat that putrid number again. That figure probably goes up so he shouldnt have much trouble reaching his RBI total of last year. However, he has little margin for error in returning top value because he gets like 0 SBs. So if his statistical contributions go down a bit across the board he does not become a great value. For instance he had 105 runs last year. What if that drops down to 90. And what if RBIs drop to 90, and then HRs drop to 30. So you have a .310 average, 30 HR, 90 RBI, 90 Run, 0 SB guy. I would rather have Pedoria at that point honestly and take the .300 average, 100 runs, 20 HR, 75-80 RBI, 20 SB production. The little less HR and RBI is offset by the much greater number of SBs. Interesting debate for sure. I think Cano is still a first rounder, but I would be surprised if he gave back top 20 production in terms of where he ranks on player rater, and such fantasy metrics.

If he had hit .310/30/90/90 last year, he still would have been the 7th most valuable player in MLB. Playing at such a shallow position gives him an extremely high floor.

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Valid points, and for my teams sake I hope he does not regress. This year will be a test if he is as elite as he has shown, or if he is just a product of that lineup/ball park. I think he returns top 10 value.

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RISP numbers are nearly difficult to predict from year to year. And despite the underwhelming appearance of the Yankee lineup, Cano should still be tremendous at a weak position.

The Fantasy Baseball Forecast projections for Cano:

607 AB / .300 BA / .869 OPS / 93 R / 27 HR / 97 RBI / 5 SB

He's awesome.

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he will be good enough this year but numbers will start to not be quite after this season. someone will give him a big 5+ year contract and pay for what he did.

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RISP numbers are nearly difficult to predict from year to year. And despite the underwhelming appearance of the Yankee lineup, Cano should still be tremendous at a weak position.

The Fantasy Baseball Forecast projections for Cano:

607 AB / .300 BA / .869 OPS / 93 R / 27 HR / 97 RBI / 5 SB

He's awesome.

Those numbers were given when Granderson was healthy, and Teixeira was healthy. The Yankees lost A-Rod already and replaced him with an old, worn down, Kevin Youkilis. They lost Russell Martin and replaced him with probably the worst catcher duo in MLB. The lineup took some serious downgrades in the offseason, now there core of guys that were capable of producing are hurt, and they are left with Cano and a bunch of crusty old men. I like Cano, but I think people may be severely underestimating the impact of a poor supporting cast.

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RISP numbers are nearly difficult to predict from year to year. And despite the underwhelming appearance of the Yankee lineup, Cano should still be tremendous at a weak position.

The Fantasy Baseball Forecast projections for Cano:

607 AB / .300 BA / .869 OPS / 93 R / 27 HR / 97 RBI / 5 SB

He's awesome.

Those numbers were given when Granderson was healthy, and Teixeira was healthy. The Yankees lost A-Rod already and replaced him with an old, worn down, Kevin Youkilis. They lost Russell Martin and replaced him with probably the worst catcher duo in MLB. The lineup took some serious downgrades in the offseason, now there core of guys that were capable of producing are hurt, and they are left with Cano and a bunch of crusty old men. I like Cano, but I think people may be severely underestimating the impact of a poor supporting cast.

yes I was saying that I think last season was canos last 300-30-100-100 season.

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The last tweet on that page pretty much sums this "report" up for me:

Joe Bisceglie @joebisceglie

We were as shocked as you guys are by it. All we ask is that you remember where you heard it first when ESPN "breaks this" in 4 weeks.

In other words....WE WANT ATTENTION!

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RISP numbers are nearly difficult to predict from year to year. And despite the underwhelming appearance of the Yankee lineup, Cano should still be tremendous at a weak position.

The Fantasy Baseball Forecast projections for Cano:

607 AB / .300 BA / .869 OPS / 93 R / 27 HR / 97 RBI / 5 SB

He's awesome.

Those numbers were given when Granderson was healthy, and Teixeira was healthy. The Yankees lost A-Rod already and replaced him with an old, worn down, Kevin Youkilis. They lost Russell Martin and replaced him with probably the worst catcher duo in MLB. The lineup took some serious downgrades in the offseason, now there core of guys that were capable of producing are hurt, and they are left with Cano and a bunch of crusty old men. I like Cano, but I think people may be severely underestimating the impact of a poor supporting cast.

Honestly I think people severely overestimate them. People were saying the same thing about Ryan Braun when Fielder left, and look at the season he had. What about Matt Kemp's 2011? Good hitters will be good hitters despite who they have hitting around them.

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I'm not overly worried about Cano. Good hitters will hit. Adrian Gonzalez was surrounded by garbage in San Diego and still went off for 30-100. Heck, Kyle Seager drove in 86 runs for Seattle in that horendous lineup.

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WOW - Cano Fired Boras, Did he just shoot himself in his own leg with an opp to get $200/10Yrs contract from Yankees or any team, if yankees decided to lower the salary for the Luxury tax purpose.

http://espn.go.com/n...t-boras-sources

And he hired Jay-Z! How awesome is that.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/9124684/robinson-cano-new-york-yankees-switching-scott-boras-jay-z

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I'm expecting a really horrid and boring April from Cano. Then in May the Yanks should get Jeter, Granderson, and Teixeira all back at some point which should help upkick his statistics.

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Had an RBI double taken away yesterday.

This. If Gomes was in left that would have been an RBI.

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Had an RBI double taken away yesterday.

This. If Gomes was in left that would have been an RBI.

It was a hell of a play by Bradley.

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I'm expecting a really horrid and boring April from Cano. Then in May the Yanks should get Jeter, Granderson, and Teixeira all back at some point which should help upkick his statistics.

Teix is no way coming back in may... we dont even know his return date yet i think....

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Had an RBI double taken away yesterday.

Look where the catcher set up and look where the defense was playing him. Bradley was playing in, in LF. Lester just missed his spot. Bradley caught it at the edge of the grass. Was just a decently struck ball and a solid catch but nothing out of the ordinary. Once Eduardo Nunez exits the 2 hole I will be excited about Cano's potential contributions this season.

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I'm expecting a really horrid and boring April from Cano. Then in May the Yanks should get Jeter, Granderson, and Teixeira all back at some point which should help upkick his statistics.

Teix is no way coming back in may... we dont even know his return date yet i think....

He got rid of his cast yesterday.

Saturday news:

Yankees first baseman Mark Teixeira reiterated Saturday that his injured right wrist is healing according to plan and he is hoping to be cleared for more activity following a doctor visit Monday. Teixeira is targeting a return in early May as he continues to recover from a partially torn tendon sheath.

"I hope they're going to tell me I can take this off and start strengthening it," Teixeira told MLB.com of the cast on his wrist. "I've been trying to do as much as I can. I'm not able to do much, but I've been trying to push it as much as I can to get it stronger. Once this comes off, then you can start doing a lot more."

Monday news:

Yankees first baseman Mark Teixeira was examined by the team's medical staff Monday and received clearance to remove the protective brace from his right wrist, according to The Journal News.

“It was the news I wanted to hear,” Teixeira said.

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Per Rotoworld, Cano wants to get a deal done sooner rather than later.

Ya, he knows that he's under investigation for PEDs. I'd want the deal done 'sooner' too!

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