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Dez Bryant 2013 Season Outlook

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This guy outscored every other WR in the league for the last 8 games last season. Will he continue this next season? He's obviously top 5 but were would you rank him among all the other WR's? I'm considering him in the early 2nd round as the 2nd WR off the board after Calvin.

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I'd put him as my 4th overall behind Tron, Marshall, and Green.

Yall didn't hear? He's going to be the first WR to have a 2000/20 season.

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As of now, he is my #2 overall WR. He should be in line for a monster season. It sounds as if he has finally matured and understands what it means to be an NFL pro. An upgrade of the DAL OL thru the draft (Warmack or Cooper?) and/or FA (Winston) will only help.

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This guy outscored every other WR in the league for the last 8 games last season. Will he continue this next season? He's obviously top 5 but were would you rank him among all the other WR's? I'm considering him in the early 2nd round as the 2nd WR off the board after Calvin.

He would be in that small group just under Calvin. Guys like Green, Julio, Dez, etc. How I would rank that tier, will need to see where we are come August, but I would say its a coin flip type situation between some of those guys, something like potential playoff schedule which we will know on Thursday could be a tie breaker.

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A guy I will not have on any of my teams.

Thats what you and everyone else said last year. He and Ap took me to the promise land.

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A guy I will not have on any of my teams.

Thats what you and everyone else said last year. He and Ap took me to the promise land.

The difference is you will have to draft him around two rounds earlier this year. I'll stick to Green, Marshall or Jones thank you.

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A guy I will not have on any of my teams.

Thats what you and everyone else said last year. He and Ap took me to the promise land.

The difference is you will have to draft him around two rounds earlier this year. I'll stick to Green, Marshall or Jones thank you.

So? His production his much higher than in previous years.

Who would have thought more production comes with a steeper price tag

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Yeah, a steeper price tag I'm not gonna pay when I can get Marshall or Green for the same price tag.I'm not using a second rounder on a guy who has put it together for a half a season when there are equally talented guys with proven track records.

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Yeah, a steeper price tag I'm not gonna pay when I can get Marshall or Green for the same price tag.I'm not using a second rounder on a guy who has put it together for a half a season when there are equally talented guys with proven track records.

Aren't all of those guys going in the 2nd?

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Yeah, a steeper price tag I'm not gonna pay when I can get Marshall or Green for the same price tag.I'm not using a second rounder on a guy who has put it together for a half a season when there are equally talented guys with proven track records.

Outside of Marshall, who are you talking about? The past two years have been pretty equal for Green, Demaryius, Julio, and Dez. And I wouldn't say any of them have a more proven track record than Dez....

2011:

Dez - 63/928/9 in 15 games

Green - 65/1057/7 in 15 games

Julio - 54/959/8 in 13 games

Demaryius - 32/551/4 in 11 games with Timmy Tebow

2012:

Dez - 92/1382/12

Green - 97/1350/11

Julio - 79/1198/10

Demaryius - 94/1434/10

Demaryius and Julio are competing with other guys for touches hurting their value in my opinion. That leaves Marshall, Green, and Dez. I personally like Marshall 2nd in ppr leagues. He's a stud. After breaking it down, it's pretty close for Green and Dez so I would lean towards Dez who has the better QB. Just my thoughts on the situation.

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Yeah, a steeper price tag I'm not gonna pay when I can get Marshall or Green for the same price tag.I'm not using a second rounder on a guy who has put it together for a half a season when there are equally talented guys with proven track records.

Outside of Marshall, who are you talking about? The past two years have been pretty equal for Green, Demaryius, Julio, and Dez. And I wouldn't say any of them have a more proven track record than Dez....

2011:

Dez - 63/928/9 in 15 games

Green - 65/1057/7 in 15 games

Julio - 54/959/8 in 13 games

Demaryius - 32/551/4 in 11 games with Timmy Tebow

2012:

Dez - 92/1382/12

Green - 97/1350/11

Julio - 79/1198/10

Demaryius - 94/1434/10

Demaryius and Julio are competing with other guys for touches hurting their value in my opinion. That leaves Marshall, Green, and Dez. I personally like Marshall 2nd in ppr leagues. He's a stud. After breaking it down, it's pretty close for Green and Dez so I would lean towards Dez who has the better QB. Just my thoughts on the situation.

A healthy Miles Austin (I know, that's like seeing a unicorn) and Jason Witten also demand a lot of touches. Dez looks set for a monster year regardless though. Unstoppable one on one.

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Yeah, a steeper price tag I'm not gonna pay when I can get Marshall or Green for the same price tag.I'm not using a second rounder on a guy who has put it together for a half a season when there are equally talented guys with proven track records.

Outside of Marshall, who are you talking about? The past two years have been pretty equal for Green, Demaryius, Julio, and Dez. And I wouldn't say any of them have a more proven track record than Dez....

2011:

Dez - 63/928/9 in 15 games

Green - 65/1057/7 in 15 games

Julio - 54/959/8 in 13 games

Demaryius - 32/551/4 in 11 games with Timmy Tebow

2012:

Dez - 92/1382/12

Green - 97/1350/11

Julio - 79/1198/10

Demaryius - 94/1434/10

Demaryius and Julio are competing with other guys for touches hurting their value in my opinion. That leaves Marshall, Green, and Dez. I personally like Marshall 2nd in ppr leagues. He's a stud. After breaking it down, it's pretty close for Green and Dez so I would lean towards Dez who has the better QB. Just my thoughts on the situation.

I respect that, but for me I'll take Marshall, Green, Thomas, And Jones ahead of him. Just my personal preference. I want to see him out together a full season before I commit a second round pick on him.

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Yeah, a steeper price tag I'm not gonna pay when I can get Marshall or Green for the same price tag.I'm not using a second rounder on a guy who has put it together for a half a season when there are equally talented guys with proven track records.

This. I have Bryant 5th in my WR rankings. Could he finish 2nd this season, absolutely...but he could also put up 50/750/8 in the first 8 games then shoot someone at a nightclub.

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Yeah, a steeper price tag I'm not gonna pay when I can get Marshall or Green for the same price tag.I'm not using a second rounder on a guy who has put it together for a half a season when there are equally talented guys with proven track records.

This. I have Bryant 5th in my WR rankings. Could he finish 2nd this season, absolutely...but he could also put up 50/750/8 in the first 8 games then shoot someone at a nightclub.

Last year the Cowboys set some rules for Dez ad he had to have approvals for going to clubs, staying out past his curfew, and had at least one security member with him at all times to keep him out of trouble.

I'm not sure if this program is still in place though. I'm not too worried. But I understand why some would be.

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Last year the Cowboys set some rules for Dez ad he had to have approvals for going to clubs, staying out past his curfew, and had at least one security member with him at all times to keep him out of trouble.

LOL

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Last year the Cowboys set some rules for Dez ad he had to have approvals for going to clubs, staying out past his curfew, and had at least one security member with him at all times to keep him out of trouble.

LOL

Can't argue with the LOL. We LOL'd last year when it was first announced . . . about a month after he hit his mom in the face with a fitted cap . . . but there may be something to this. There may not, too. But that curfew, etc., sure didn't hurt.

Some history: No one has ripped this player harder than me.

http://forums.rotoworld.com/index.php?showtopic=285129&st=0

But low and behold, when he fell to me at 6.3 in a 10 team yahoo "pro" league last year, I couldn't lay off. Still, I tried to deal him at every turn for a decent RB for the entire first half of the season. But all anyone tried to do was rip me off, so I held on.

By the end, I was crushing everyone because of him. Took everyone's money. And as I watched, I believe I saw the player--and possibly the man--maturing right before my eyes. I saw Romo literally coaching him all the way to the line of scrimmage in a mid-season game. He appeared to be telling Dez exactly what to do right up to the line . . . Dez was like a student who just needs his teacher to re-explain the instructions more than for the other kids. And from what I could tell, he humbly nodded and tried his damnest--not the Dez I'd come to expect and rip on. By the end of the year he was playing hurt. Sometimes very hurt. Allegedly risking finger amputation?

He gained my respect. And if I knew I was going to get that guy again, I might well take him in front of Julio, Marshall, Green, and Thomas . . . but if that curfew set the stage for his development . . . then what will happen without it? I don't know, but . . .

Like with so many other players that are going to go in the first 3 rounds, I need a promising summer. With him it reaches beyond the field.

We are dealing with a guy who hit his mom in the face with a fitted.

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There is only one WR that I know for sure that I like more than Dez going into next year. He is as likely to finish as the second best fantasy WR as anyone.

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I think Dez is going to be a bust, not a massive bust - but a mini bust who doesn't finish in the top 5 fantasy WR.

Two things in particular that worry me about him:

He's not a big red-zone target: Only 14 redzone targets last year is less than any of the other WRs being drafted near him.

He's not a target hog: He's outside of the top 10 WR in terms of targets, Witten gets more targets than him, and Miles Austin pulls in a lot of targets too. I wouldn't be surprised to see Witten and Austin steal a lot of production from him. I also doubt Romo improves over last year's high in yards, so there's probably like 500 less yards to go around next year too.

He is good, but I just don't know that he's really any better than say, Victor Cruz (assuming Cruz gets a deal done soon). He's not in the tier with AJ Green and Megatron and for the next tier of guys I usually prefer to just draft the ones that fall since they are all pretty close to one another in terms of outlook.

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I think Dez is going to be a bust, not a massive bust - but a mini bust who doesn't finish in the top 5 fantasy WR.

Two things in particular that worry me about him:

He's not a big red-zone target: Only 14 redzone targets last year is less than any of the other WRs being drafted near him.

He's not a target hog: He's outside of the top 10 WR in terms of targets, Witten gets more targets than him, and Miles Austin pulls in a lot of targets too. I wouldn't be surprised to see Witten and Austin steal a lot of production from him. I also doubt Romo improves over last year's high in yards, so there's probably like 500 less yards to go around next year too.

He is good, but I just don't know that he's really any better than say, Victor Cruz (assuming Cruz gets a deal done soon). He's not in the tier with AJ Green and Megatron and for the next tier of guys I usually prefer to just draft the ones that fall since they are all pretty close to one another in terms of outlook.

You can take some of your arguments and turn them around to support Dez. Bryant produced great #'s in 2012 despite not being one of the top 10 targeted receivers and only having 14 RZ targets last season. Isn't it entirely possible that his targets and RZ looks rise in 2013? If that happens, he could conceivably match or exceed last season's totals. Witten's another year older and Austin doesn't seem to be same player who burst onto the scene in 2009. Why wouldn't Romo and DAL send more targets to one of the most explosive and dangerous young WR in the game? If anything, I'm more worried about the potential off-field incidents and injury issues.

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The Romo-Dez connection was running on all cylinders the second half of last year. Its easy to tell with Bryan'ts stats.

I think he's at worst, ranked 4th.

Megatron

Green/Marshall/Dez

Julio/DT

everyone else.

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You can take some of your arguments and turn them around to support Dez. Bryant produced great #'s in 2012 despite not being one of the top 10 targeted receivers and only having 14 RZ targets last season. Isn't it entirely possible that his targets and RZ looks rise in 2013? If that happens, he could conceivably match or exceed last season's totals.

That's all true, it's just my gut feeling. My feeling is that instead of actually breaking out last year, he just got lucky and produced great numbers without actually being the focus of his offense. I know he seemed like he was the focus of the offense, but that is just because he was doing a lot with what he was given - which as you said might possibly lead to him being more involved next year, so that's fair.

Part of the reason why I feel this way though is because I've seen this before several times. Essentially, where somebody puts up great production even though they - and it's a stretch to use this terminology - shouldn't have.

Take a look at Jordy Nelson or Victor Cruz for instance, both of them had top 5 seasons in 2011 despite being outside of the top 10 in targets and having a low number of red zone targets. This year they had underwhelming fantasy seasons and fell outside of the top 10, even without Jordy's injury. This is despite Cruz actually seeing an increase in targets over what he saw in 2011. You can also look at Mike Wallace and Dwayne Bowe's transition from 2010 to 2011 as another example of somebody putting up a top 5 season without having that many targets or redzone targets (Bowe actually had high redzone targets, but not high targets overall) and how they followed up the next season (despite Bowe and Wallace both seeing more targets in 2011).

So in fact I would guess that yes, Dez will be more involved in the offense next year and see more targets and more red zone targets just like all the others did. I just don't think he'll have more TDs or yards to show for it and that he'll probably fall outside of the top 5 and maybe the top 10.

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