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5/9/13 - Angels @ Astros Gameday Thread

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Scioscia protesting the game. Something happened with an illegal pitching change. A player came in, warmed up, and never faced a batter (against the rules unless there is an injury).

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Porter didn't switch pitchers until he saw Scioscia was bringing in a pinch hitter, this is just as big of a deal as last night's screw up because it's even more crystal clear. Umpires are ridiculous, some of them get paid as much as doctors, do your job!

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i dont know how the umps can so blatently ignore things like this and get away with it.

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man, i don't care how they do it, but I'd really like to see the angels win one tonight. Watching these games is getting so depressing.

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The Angels actually have a case for playing this under protest, really rare for anyone to ever win these things but if they do the game will be restarted from the point of dispute.

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The Angels actually have a case for playing this under protest, really rare for anyone to ever win these things but if they do the game will be restarted from the point of dispute.

I just want them to win it outright so we don't have to worry about it.

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Wow, pitcher was fine, Porter just ran out to change pitchers. This can be protested because it's a misinterpretation of a rule, while last night's game could not have been protested because it was based on judgment.

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The Angels actually have a case for playing this under protest, really rare for anyone to ever win these things but if they do the game will be restarted from the point of dispute.

I just want them to win it outright so we don't have to worry about it.

yeah, that would help this situation, unreal gaffe by the umps, wth...

I didn't even know the rule for what happens when a team actually wins a protest, the pine tar game was the only time can remember it happening, the LAA beat writer tweeted it

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The Angels actually have a case for playing this under protest, really rare for anyone to ever win these things but if they do the game will be restarted from the point of dispute.

Buster Olneys chronlogical Tweeting of the event.

Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN41m

Mike Scioscia is protesting the game, he tells the umpires. Why would Wesley Wright not have to face at least one hitter? I'm not sure.

Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN32m

I don't know what reason the umpires gave to Scioscia for their decision, but they seemed very confident. Scioscia: Very much less so.

Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN28m

Rule 3.05 (B): if the pitcher is replaced, the substitute pitcher shall pitch to the batter then at-bat, or any substitute batter...

Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN24m

Before Bo Porter replaced Wright, he consulted at length with the umpires before making the change. Wouldn't have to do that with an injury.

Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN11m

Educated guess: Wright never officially entered into the game, perhaps after he wrongly came in from the bullpen. Porter then went to RHer.

Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN11m

The key question was whether Wright threw any warmup pitches (I don't know the answer). If he did, Scioscia may have a beef.

Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN9m

Bottom line: We need to hear the explanation from the umpires. Because the pieces don't fit.

Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN4m

OK, now they're showing replay of Wright throwing warmup tosses. And in the middle of it, Porter comes out. Scioscia may have a strong case.

Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN2m

I can't even imagine what the umpires' explanation is going to be after seeing that replay of Wright warming up. Can't wait to hear it.

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Honestly I hope the Angels lose to see what happens with the protest :ph34r:

MLB would probably have discussions with the crew about it.

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Astros' bullpen and defense did the umps a favor tonight.

well, we'll see if frieri coughs up this lead.

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"So, judging by Porter's comments, there weren't any unusual circumstances. He didn't know the rule, umps didn't know the rule."

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Does this situation not come into play in almost every N.L. game? Did the umps think Porter found some mysterious loophole that alluded every other manager in history? I know it's an A.L. game but still how can a handful of umps get together and not figure this out.

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Does this situation not come into play in almost every N.L. game? Did the umps think Porter found some mysterious loophole that alluded every other manager in history? I know it's an A.L. game but still how can a handful of umps get together and not figure this out.

Hardballtalk had a good write up here.

"Once I made sure that he pinch-hit for the batter that was scheduled to hit, then I started towards the mound. The home plate umpire, he kind of stopped me. He said, ‘Whoa, Bo,’ and then Scioscia started yelling he has to face a hitter. I just calmly explained to him my interpretation of the rule is ‘Yes he has to face hitter ,as long as it’s the hitter that’s scheduled to hit.’ The hitter that was scheduled to hit had now been pinch-hit for, which now gives me the right to bring a pitcher to face the pinch-hitter.”

So basically, the umpires first inclination, as pointed out here was to stop Bo Porter, but Bo Porter explained the way he sees the rule and the umpires, who are in charge of the rules, deferred to his lesser judgement. The fact that the umpires screwed the pooch on this one is awful, its not a judgement call, its not unclear video, its a simple matter of knowing the rules of the game, the ones youre charged with enforcing.

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Fell asleep before the game ended and just seeing the explanations now, what a load of nonsense, like Holy Browns said, the umps flat out didn't know the rule. This isn't the Supreme Court debating the technicalities of some insanely complex issue, if a pitcher comes into the game he has to pitch to somebody, doesn't matter who that body is, it's that simple. What next, is Houston also going to protest the game cause two of their ghost runners should have counted for runs?

Also, not sure if it means much but the 1B ump blew an easy call early in the game, that decision went against the Halos as well and ended up costing them a run. Glad the Halos rallied cause they were getting the crappy end of the stick all night.

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Wouldn't have that much confidence in my manager, Porter, if he not only did not know the rule but lacked the curiosity to even find out the rule before reaching the post-game press conference hours after the fact and embarrass yourself further.

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MLB fined the umps for this game and have suspended Culbreth, the crew chief, for two games. Pretty tame but I guess it's something.

http://mlb.si.com/20...11_a3&eref=sihp

does that set some kind of precedent? I don't know if I've ever heard of this type of punishment before? I mean it's good, but wow.

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