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Darren Sproles 2013 Season Outlook

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I was so high on him going into 2012 . . . but apparently not as high as others as I got beat to the punch in every draft. I'm sure they'll all tell you he disappointed . . .

But . . . I'm willing to keep the faith.

He is the rare player who is just as explosive in the 4th quarter as he is in the 1st.

I like Peyton to return very hungry for a comeback and I see no reason to believe Sproles won't be a major part of that. Brees loves to sling it, sure. But he's not often reckless. Sproles is the kind of guy who benefits greatly from the way Brees plays the game and Brees is poised enough to know where Sproles is when plays downfield dissolve.

I think I'd go 3rd round in a 10 team ppr. 4th in a standard . . .

One thing I'd like to know is if kick returning is a thing of the past for him.

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We know what to expect from him in the passing game. Sproles' past two years have been virtually identical in receiving numbers, averaging 80.5 receptions, 688.5 receiving yards, and 7 receiving TDs.

His carries, however, dropped from 87 (for 603 yds) in 2011 to 48 (for 244 yards) in 2012. In PPR, he obviously has major value but if you're using a high pick on him, you have to hope for him to blow past that 48 carry total and post rushing digits more like the Sproles of 2011.

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Party like it's 2011...will be targeting in all formats. I have a feelig I'm going to be having Brees, Graham and Sproles on a lot of my teams this season.

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Bush by far, Lions are going to forcefeed him the ball. Tons of catches and atleast half the carries. That's a very modest prediction.

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I want Brees/Graham/Sproles on my fantasy team, and I dont even play ppr.

Sproles is so underrated in standard scoring its ridiculous. On pace for 1200 total yards last year - in a bad year.

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Oh Darren Sproles, I can't quit you. Had him in both my leagues last year. Sneaky good value at a flex spot.

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Who do you like better this year in PPR Bush or Sproles and why?

I like Bush but I want both on my team.

My feeling is that the experts(lol whatever that means) will have Bush ranked pretty high and Sproles lower. Sproles seems to always be ranked like around 40th or 50th overall.

Just looked it up, and I'm pretty surprised actually. Berry has Bush ranked 49th as the RB20 and Sproles 63rd as the RB24.

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Losing Chris Ivory and getting Sean Payton back has to help Sproles. How much is the question. In a PPR, RB24 sounds fair to me.

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I guess I'm in the minority but I'd actually prefer Sproles to Bush in PPR.

Leshoure > Ingram, New Orleans has a more reliable offense, and Sproles is more durable.

I feel like Sproles' full PPR value isn't even recognized sometimes. Over the past two seasons, in a full PPR, his 161 receptions have put up the equivalent of 26.8 TDs (in terms of fantasy points). The dichotomy between his standard and PPR value is insane. Imagine adding roughly 27 TDs to a guys two year production in a standard league. That's the gap.

Sproles is simply a stud RB for PPR if he can be even mediocre on the ground. Bush, for the record, hasn't had more than 52 catches since 2007.

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I feel like Sproles' full PPR value isn't even recognized sometimes. Over the past two seasons, in a full PPR, his 161 receptions have put up the equivalent of 26.8 TDs (in terms of fantasy points). The dichotomy between his standard and PPR value is insane. Imagine adding roughly 27 TDs to a guys two year production in a standard league. That's the gap.

This is exactly why I feel PPR-leagues are stupid as hell.

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I feel like Sproles' full PPR value isn't even recognized sometimes. Over the past two seasons, in a full PPR, his 161 receptions have put up the equivalent of 26.8 TDs (in terms of fantasy points). The dichotomy between his standard and PPR value is insane. Imagine adding roughly 27 TDs to a guys two year production in a standard league. That's the gap.

This is exactly why I feel PPR-leagues are stupid as hell.

They're not stupid, just different.

He's possibly a 2nd round, probably 3rd round guy in full PPR leagues.

4th round in standard scoring and lower.

Not quite sure what half point per reception does to his value, I need to run the numbers.

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"i think it makes a lot of sense that a 5 yard reception is worth triple the points of a 5 yard run."

- people that like PPR scoring

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"i think it makes a lot of sense that a 5 yard reception is worth triple the points of a 5 yard run."

- people that like PPR scoring

It simply balances the playing field in terms of player values instead of everyone gobbling up RBs plain and simple to have a distinct advantage.

WRs become just as valuable and if the scoring is done correctly the top 25 players every year will have a great mixture of each position.

You play in PPR no one has the advantage because of your example....like the previous poster said it's simply different and personally being the versatile person I am can operate in either scoring environment (ppr or non ppr) with the best of them.

I'd love to have both Sproles and Bush in ppr this year but don't know if that's the right move if I get the 11th-12th spot. Both of them or one and Graham is my dilemma.

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PPR is sort of like communism. Less useful people get ranked higher than their production merits.

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Spanker, I disagree. Instead of leveling the playing field, PPR devalues RBs, just like leagues that award 6 points for passing TDs.

I think these formats were formulated by those people who always waited too long to take their RBs or never drafted a deep enough backfield and always lost because of it.

That said, I'm fine playing in a PPR league. I'm not opposed to doing so, but like most of you I prefer a standard format.

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I can see both arguments to this, but I don't think PPR was created just because people waited too long in their standard league drafts to pick a RB. I think it was made because some people don't get the chance to draft the AP's, Fosters, or any of the top tier RBs and thus are put at a disadvantage due to draft position, especially when playing in a standard league.

If you had say the 8-12 pick in a standard league (1 pt per 25 yards passing, 4 pt passing td, 1 pt per rec/rushing yards 6 pts rec/rushing tds) how could you not be at a disadvantage picking the potential 8th -12th best rb, top tier qb, or top wr in that scoring setting?

Even though you can still get a good RB1 potentially at that draft spot this year, there's a reason the 8th best back isn't as highly ranked as the #1, or #2...and there should be a scoring difference of probably 3-6 points per week from the number 1 overall RB down to number 8 or 9, or so I've noticed in the leagues I've played in.

I think .50 PPR gives just enough of a bump to WR's and pass catching RB's to help balance things out a little more than they would be other wise, but I do think 1 pt PPR is a bit too much.

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But Shake, a lot more than who your #1 pick is goes into establishing a legitimate team and winning a championship. There's more than just one or two rounds. One cannot just draft AP and call it a day. The same settings apply to the guys going in later rounds too.

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I love PPR and that's all I play now. Just adds another level to the game.

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That's a very good point, a draft isn't just one round I agree. There's many different ways to make up for not having AP, and just having AP doesn't guarantee you anything of course. However it is a clear cut advantage for the guy who does get that stud RB, over the guy who has to settle for the best of what's left at RB, top WR, or top QB in that scoring setting. That's why so many people want the stud RB, because if gives them an advantage,

Let's say that you're playing in a .50 PPR league. That's giving you only half a point per reception, it's not making a ton of difference really, it's only helping some. Mostly it helps the WR's of course, but it does help the top RB's as well, since most of them are pass catching backs. At best though it's only helping WR's add about 3 points more per week to their totals, if a WR were to catch 96 passes (96 receptions X .50 = 48 total points for the season based on receptions) it's only 3 points per week additional. For RB's it's probably only going to be between 1-2 points additional, so it's not so much of a difference really.

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That's a very good point, a draft isn't just one round I agree. There's many different ways to make up for not having AP, and just having AP doesn't guarantee you anything of course. However it is a clear cut advantage for the guy who does get that stud RB, over the guy who has to settle for the best of what's left at RB, top WR, or top QB in that scoring setting. That's why so many people want the stud RB, because if gives them an advantage,

Let's say that you're playing in a .50 PPR league. That's giving you only half a point per reception, it's not making a ton of difference really, it's only helping some. Mostly it helps the WR's of course, but it does help the top RB's as well, since most of them are pass catching backs. At best though it's only helping WR's add about 3 points more per week to their totals, if a WR were to catch 96 passes (96 receptions X .50 = 48 total points for the season based on receptions) it's only 3 points per week additional. For RB's it's probably only going to be between 1-2 points additional, so it's not so much of a difference really.

I understand the whole balancing RB's with other positions for scoring purposes thing.

I'd like you all to go back to the original thing I bolded.

Full-point PPR basically handed Darren Sproles something like 28 TDs out of thin air over the course of two seasons.

That's 14 TDs per season.

That's just too much. Heck, anything even close to the equivalent of double-digit TDs just for catching short passes, is too much.

I'm actually somewhat okay with .5 PPR. But full-point PPR is just too much.

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That's a very good point, a draft isn't just one round I agree. There's many different ways to make up for not having AP, and just having AP doesn't guarantee you anything of course. However it is a clear cut advantage for the guy who does get that stud RB, over the guy who has to settle for the best of what's left at RB, top WR, or top QB in that scoring setting. That's why so many people want the stud RB, because if gives them an advantage,

Let's say that you're playing in a .50 PPR league. That's giving you only half a point per reception, it's not making a ton of difference really, it's only helping some. Mostly it helps the WR's of course, but it does help the top RB's as well, since most of them are pass catching backs. At best though it's only helping WR's add about 3 points more per week to their totals, if a WR were to catch 96 passes (96 receptions X .50 = 48 total points for the season based on receptions) it's only 3 points per week additional. For RB's it's probably only going to be between 1-2 points additional, so it's not so much of a difference really.

Agree. PPR is designed to help level out the playing field. I don't care what anyone says, in a standard format getting those top stud RBs is a distinct advantage in which you have to overcome an upward hill if you don't have one. Those possession WRs become a lot more valuable at the end of the first round to help even things up.

Back to Sproles-- I absolutely love this guy. He's a game change/baller. But is he worthy of a 1st round (or top 2nd round pick) in a 12-man league? Wr is so deep and RBs are a lot more shallow. In PPR if you want this guy you better snag him early but how early?

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That's a very good point, a draft isn't just one round I agree. There's many different ways to make up for not having AP, and just having AP doesn't guarantee you anything of course. However it is a clear cut advantage for the guy who does get that stud RB, over the guy who has to settle for the best of what's left at RB, top WR, or top QB in that scoring setting. That's why so many people want the stud RB, because if gives them an advantage,

Let's say that you're playing in a .50 PPR league. That's giving you only half a point per reception, it's not making a ton of difference really, it's only helping some. Mostly it helps the WR's of course, but it does help the top RB's as well, since most of them are pass catching backs. At best though it's only helping WR's add about 3 points more per week to their totals, if a WR were to catch 96 passes (96 receptions X .50 = 48 total points for the season based on receptions) it's only 3 points per week additional. For RB's it's probably only going to be between 1-2 points additional, so it's not so much of a difference really.

I understand the whole balancing RB's with other positions for scoring purposes thing.

I'd like you all to go back to the original thing I bolded.

Full-point PPR basically handed Darren Sproles something like 28 TDs out of thin air over the course of two seasons.

That's 14 TDs per season.

That's just too much. Heck, anything even close to the equivalent of double-digit TDs just for catching short passes, is too much.

I'm actually somewhat okay with .5 PPR. But full-point PPR is just too much.

When we are talking PPR we are talking a half point here which is perfect. But I've played in a full point ppr leagues in which all TDs are 6pts too so that increases the QB value as well.

Like I said half/full/standard doesn't matter man I'm versatile..everyone is playing under the same conditions you just have to adjust to the different blitz scoring packages each league brings. ;)

I love it!

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The (still) unsaid answer is clear - Darren Sproles is a major outlier and exception.

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