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Dynasty Question: Kapernick or Lacy?

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Have been offered Colin Kaepernick for Eddie Lacy straight up. PPR, bonus points for explosive plays (3 points for runs over 20 yards, 3 points for completions/receptions over 40 yards.) otherwise, pretty traditional scoring. Took over an orphan team this year and have some very good prospects at RB and WR. Biggest need is an elite QB or QB prospect. Right now I have Freeman and Vick as starters and Weeden as a developmental QB.

I am just having trouble totally buying into Kaepernick as an elite future QB. A big red flag for me was what happened with RGIII. Kap's game potentially exposes him to big hits which is a concern in itself, but say he does get dinged up a little. Is he a good enough pocket passer to maintain fantasy relevance in the event his running game is limited? Also, the 9ers are not the kind of team to air it out and the rarely trail their opponents by any significant amount of points so there is always going to be a ceiling on Kaps production.

On the other side is Eddie Lacy. I was able to pick him up after he slid out of the Top 5 in the rookie draft. I just sort of selected him on impulse after he kind of dropped in my lap, but I am just getting the feeling that he may potentially be a bust (injuries, running style, RBBC situation). Could be a good trade, but I need to get a better feeling about Kap.

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I almost always go with the RB over a QB but my first reaction was that Kaepernick is the clear choice here, especially if QB is a need for you.

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I would take Kaepernick. Yes, I still have questions about whether or not he's legitimately as good as he appeared, but at least he has some kind of a track record to go by and is on a very good team. For that reason alone, I'd take Kaepernick rather than gamble on Lacy.

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Typically I would go RB. But GB is never going to be run oriented which will limit Lacy and then there's the fact that Kaep is already better than your other QBs and has some upside. I really hate running QBs for the reasons you listed (injuries mainly) but Vick and/or Freeman could keep you afloat if something were to go wrong. I would do it.

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Kaepernick. Bigger than RGII runs a lot safer than RGIII. Lots of question marks around Lacy and you said you need QB in a big way.

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Even with the Crabtree news, I much prefer Kaepernick to Lacy long term. Can't really knock Kaepernick for injury issues, when Lacy already has issues with his toe that resulted in the team drafted another talented RB just one round later (Jonathan Franklin, who if you don't know who he is, you may want to learn because I honestly feel he could be the better fantasy back of the two, especially in PPR formats).

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Even with the Crabtree news, I much prefer Kaepernick to Lacy long term. Can't really knock Kaepernick for injury issues, when Lacy already has issues with his toe that resulted in the team drafted another talented RB just one round later (Jonathan Franklin, who if you don't know who he is, you may want to learn because I honestly feel he could be the better fantasy back of the two, especially in PPR formats).

I definitely know who Franklin is, and he was technically taken 2 rounds later, but I get your point and I do not fear Franklin at all. I think he was taken for different reasons because he is essentially the same weight as Dujuan Harris and they reportedly have Frankiln practicing kickoff returns so that is telling as well. Also, I am finding out that Lacy's toe is not really an issue. If you dig a little deeper in your searches there are interviews with the doc who actually performed the surgery. Given that Lacy played the whole season after the surgery without any further issues says a lot.

Now we got Crabs going down so until the 9ers find another go to WR, might have to hold off on this trade.

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If I were a Lacy owner, I'd be more afraid of Franklin than you are. I could see the touches being divided relatively evenly. And there aren't a ton of carries to go around in Green Bay to begin with.

As far as Lacy's health, there are a lot of conflicting feelings. I've seen that some NFL teams had him completely off of their draft board due to that toe surgery. I saw that same blurb but obviously the doctor isn't going to say that Lacy's toe won't last. For now, though, I guess I'll take the doctor's word for it.

There are at least 3 or 4 rookie backs who I'd prefer over either Packer rookie anyway, so I likely won't be ending up with Lacy regardless. Even with the Crab injury, I think I'd still lean towards Kaepernick.

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If I were a Lacy owner, I'd be more afraid of Franklin than you are. I could see the touches being divided relatively evenly. And there aren't a ton of carries to go around in Green Bay to begin with.

As far as Lacy's health, there are a lot of conflicting feelings. I've seen that some NFL teams had him completely off of their draft board due to that toe surgery. I saw that same blurb but obviously the doctor isn't going to say that Lacy's toe won't last. For now, though, I guess I'll take the doctor's word for it.

There are at least 3 or 4 rookie backs who I'd prefer over either Packer rookie anyway, so I likely won't be ending up with Lacy regardless. Even with the Crab injury, I think I'd still lean towards Kaepernick.

To be honest, Franklin did concern me. He was actually my target in the draft until Lacy fell in my lap. 3-4 owners immediately PMed me trying to trade up, nothing earthshaking though so I just nabbed Lacy and thought I would try and get Franklin later. Well, Franklin got picked up 2 selections later! The toe thing doesn't scare me. think about it, trust your eyes and common sense. The fused joint is basically the distal joint on the big toe under the nail. Has ZERO effect on the flexion of his toe. He played the entire 2012 season on it and dominated. He never missed a practice.....still, i really like Kaps. I am leaning towards pulling the trigger.

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I do not fear Franklin at all.

Now we got Crabs going down so until the 9ers find another go to WR, might have to hold off on this trade.

To be honest, Franklin did concern me. He was actually my target in the draft until Lacy fell in my lap.

still, i really like Kaps. I am leaning towards pulling the trigger.

Is it just me, or do these posts entirely contradict each other?

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I do not fear Franklin at all.

Now we got Crabs going down so until the 9ers find another go to WR, might have to hold off on this trade.

To be honest, Franklin did concern me. He was actually my target in the draft until Lacy fell in my lap.

still, i really like Kaps. I am leaning towards pulling the trigger.

Is it just me, or do these posts entirely contradict each other?

It's just you ff. Is it just me, or does that Einstein avatar not fit at all? lol...You ever change your mind on a player based on current events? Franklin DID concern me. Now not so much any more. I still do like his skill set, but recent reports show him 3rd string behind Lacy and Harris and they have him practicing kick offs...if you want to promote yourself as being smart and if you are one of those guys who like to be right all the time, then think a little more before you post and try to slight someone else....Einstein.

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I hate keeping QBs but in this scenario just too much risk with Lacy. Kapernick losing crabs does hurt his value some but he is a playmaker. Keep him.

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I ended up doing the deal. I was deep enough at running back and wanted to take a shot at Kap becoming the next Cam Newton.

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I do not fear Franklin at all.

Now we got Crabs going down so until the 9ers find another go to WR, might have to hold off on this trade.

To be honest, Franklin did concern me. He was actually my target in the draft until Lacy fell in my lap.

still, i really like Kaps. I am leaning towards pulling the trigger.

Is it just me, or do these posts entirely contradict each other?

It's just you ff. Is it just me, or does that Einstein avatar not fit at all? lol...You ever change your mind on a player based on current events? Franklin DID concern me. Now not so much any more. I still do like his skill set, but recent reports show him 3rd string behind Lacy and Harris and they have him practicing kick offs...if you want to promote yourself as being smart and if you are one of those guys who like to be right all the time, then think a little more before you post and try to slight someone else....Einstein.

I don't know why the personal attack is necessary but if that's what you're here to do, that's fine. It just seemed to me like your tune had changed dramatically in less than 24 hours. In fact, re-reading the posts, it still does, so I guess I am as stupid as you say.

And I missed the part where I claimed to be a genius. Because I have an Einstein avatar? Okay, so I guess you're claiming to be a rich and famous movie star since you have a Brad Pitt avatar.

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I do not fear Franklin at all.

Now we got Crabs going down so until the 9ers find another go to WR, might have to hold off on this trade.

To be honest, Franklin did concern me. He was actually my target in the draft until Lacy fell in my lap.

still, i really like Kaps. I am leaning towards pulling the trigger.

Is it just me, or do these posts entirely contradict each other?

It's just you ff. Is it just me, or does that Einstein avatar not fit at all? lol...You ever change your mind on a player based on current events? Franklin DID concern me. Now not so much any more. I still do like his skill set, but recent reports show him 3rd string behind Lacy and Harris and they have him practicing kick offs...if you want to promote yourself as being smart and if you are one of those guys who like to be right all the time, then think a little more before you post and try to slight someone else....Einstein.

I don't know why the personal attack is necessary but if that's what you're here to do, that's fine. It just seemed to me like your tune had changed dramatically in less than 24 hours. In fact, re-reading the posts, it still does, so I guess I am as stupid as you say.

And I missed the part where I claimed to be a genius. Because I have an Einstein avatar? Okay, so I guess you're claiming to be a rich and famous movie star since you have a Brad Pitt avatar.

I love passive aggressive people. They make these very subtle, sarcastic comments and when someone calls them on it they take no accountability for what they said. Buddy, if you are going to insinuate that I contradicted myself, or something confuses you then address me directly."Hey Irish, which is it? You said two completely different things." I'd be glad to respond. Don't pretend to be calling out to the forum in jest "hey everyone, this guy is talking out of both sides of his arse, he's confusing me." To me you come off like a pompous a-hole, especially with your Einstein avatar. And don't pretend like it doesn't mean anything. Obviously you gravitate towards intellectual idols. No problem, that's cool. But if you got a problem with something I post then let's discuss it or debate it like men. I know what I wrote, I know that I changed my mind, so what if I did? People's opinions regarding a player's value can change dramatically with one little piece of news. What is so strange about that?

Obviously, you are not stupid and really I got no problem with you, it just pisses me off when someone tries to belittle me in front of everyone without trying to understand what happened.

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I do not fear Franklin at all.

Now we got Crabs going down so until the 9ers find another go to WR, might have to hold off on this trade.

To be honest, Franklin did concern me. He was actually my target in the draft until Lacy fell in my lap.

still, i really like Kaps. I am leaning towards pulling the trigger.

Is it just me, or do these posts entirely contradict each other?

It's just you ff. Is it just me, or does that Einstein avatar not fit at all? lol...You ever change your mind on a player based on current events? Franklin DID concern me. Now not so much any more. I still do like his skill set, but recent reports show him 3rd string behind Lacy and Harris and they have him practicing kick offs...if you want to promote yourself as being smart and if you are one of those guys who like to be right all the time, then think a little more before you post and try to slight someone else....Einstein.

I don't know why the personal attack is necessary but if that's what you're here to do, that's fine. It just seemed to me like your tune had changed dramatically in less than 24 hours. In fact, re-reading the posts, it still does, so I guess I am as stupid as you say.

And I missed the part where I claimed to be a genius. Because I have an Einstein avatar? Okay, so I guess you're claiming to be a rich and famous movie star since you have a Brad Pitt avatar.

I love passive aggressive people. They make these very subtle, sarcastic comments and when someone calls them on it they take no accountability for what they said. Buddy, if you are going to insinuate that I contradicted myself, or something confuses you then address me directly."Hey Irish, which is it? You said two completely different things." I'd be glad to respond. Don't pretend to be calling out to the forum in jest "hey everyone, this guy is talking out of both sides of his arse, he's confusing me." To me you come off like a pompous a-hole, especially with your Einstein avatar. And don't pretend like it doesn't mean anything. Obviously you gravitate towards intellectual idols. No problem, that's cool. But if you got a problem with something I post then let's discuss it or debate it like men. I know what I wrote, I know that I changed my mind, so what if I did? People's opinions regarding a player's value can change dramatically with one little piece of news. What is so strange about that?

Obviously, you are not stupid and really I got no problem with you, it just pisses me off when someone tries to belittle me in front of everyone without trying to understand what happened.

I didn't even really notice the post until you mentioned it. Usually better to leave stuff be if you don't like negative attention in front of people! :)

Good trade for you, congrats. Definitely a case where it's great to have a QB you can possibly build around for the next 10 years (If your league is still around after all that time) as opposed to an RB who may or may not be the lead guy in 5 months. Not that Lacy isn't talented but seems an easy choice for Kaepernick.

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Thanks Mike. I had similar thoughts when I finally did the deal. About the little scuffle I had with Einstein, nobody likes somebody to TRY and call them out and embarrass them, especially when it is done in ignorance. That is the part that fires me up. I did see Franklin as as a serious threat to Lacy, that was one of the reasons I was considering trading him. This trade took a out 10 days to consummate. The part where I apparently changed my mind "overnight" happened after I read an article where GB had Franklin practicing kickoff returns....and that he is behind Harris on the depth chart....and Harris weighs as much as Franklin. So if this makes any sense and I will try to use small words: I thought Franklin was a threat. Now I really don't. So why did I still do the trade then? I want an elite QB prospect on my roster...Lacy seems like he could be injury prone...he might end up splitting carries with Dujuan Harris AND Franklin. So that's pretty much it. At one time I thought Franklin was a threat but in the end not so much....but I could change my mind.

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You better relax with the personal attacks before somebody reports you. What would you do if you couldn't come here and ask people to run your team for you?

Anyway, how does the whole Franklin thing change the way you feel about Kaepernick? One day you say you are holding off on the trade. The next you say you "still" are leaning towards acquiring him. Um, okay. And this is because Lacy's situation IMPROVED??? You're contradicting yourself again. And also, NOW Lacy is injury prone???

Ugh, this was you, correct? "The toe thing doesn't scare me. think about it, trust your eyes and common sense. The fused joint is basically the distal joint on the big toe under the nail. Has ZERO effect on the flexion of his toe"

I think what happened here is that you came on to ask a question and when you discovered that 7/7 people all answered that the choice was Kaepernick in a no-brainer, you felt silly for asking in the first place and now you're lashing out at me. I think you should relax with the personal insults. Call it passive aggression if you must, but that is not allowed here sir. It'd probably be best if your tantrum ceased.

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Can't we all just get along? :rolleyes:

Here is a list of things to help clarify the situation:

  1. Complimentary one time apology. Sorry if you feel attacked. That's is what I was going for since you kind of fired the first shot, although it twas with a "silencer". I try to be direct, but we can do it your way too. I just think what ever it is you are trying to say is out of confusion and ignorance. Before you pull the "I'm telling!" card, these are not insults directed towards you personally, just an observation regarding your comments and intended effect.
  2. This IS relaxed :ph34r: ......
  3. I would do just fine running my team I just wanted to get wanted to get some intelligent opinions about the situation. Was doing great until.....
  4. In theory my perceived value of Franklin affects my perceived value of Lacy. You with me? So in turn my perceived value of Lacy effects how I feel about the balance of the trade....this is all pretty basic stuff. Do I really need to explain this?
  5. Two main reasons for the "flip-floppiness" of my statements. One, it really was a pretty even trade, depending on a number of factors and short and long term perceptions on value. Two, did it ever occur to you that the Kaepernick owner might be a member of this forum? It did to me, so I intentionally wanted to be somewhat vague, conflicted and confusing. As you probably know, in negotiations, leverage is everything.
  6. Injury proneness: there are a couple different kinds of injury proneness, short term and long term. Lacy appears to be able to fight through the typical bumps and bruises of a typical season and his toe even manged to hold up under the workload of a full season. So I am not so concerned with Lacy breaking down here in the next couple of seasons, but given his playing style and inability to avoid hard hits I am concerned that he will have a limited period of time with peak performance.
  7. Even though it seemed unanimous that Kaepernick was the choice, doesn't mean a thing if 7/7 people are wrong and that is a pretty simple-minded opinion to have about the situation. That would mean I wasn't thinking for myself. What I really wanted was opinions and perspective. Why people had a certain opinion, not just a yea or nay. Also, once the opinions for Kapt. Kaepernick were too overwhelmingly positive and negative stuff was being posted about Lacy I had to try to counter act that by supporting Lacy and poking holes in Kaepernick. Really did not feel silly at all. I think you might just projecting how you would feel in that situation IMO.

Well, there it is, a complete walk-through Spaceman. Let me know if I can help you with anything else you are confused about.

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Sir, I'm over it. Good luck this season.

For future reference, though, you should read through the code of conduct. Attacking opinions is allowed. Personal attacks are not.

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Sir, I'm over it. Good luck this season.

For future reference, though, you should read through the code of conduct. Attacking opinions is allowed. Personal attacks are not.

Good luck to you as well. You are correct. I apologized to you and adjusted my conduct accordingly. Unfortunately, a person can make inferences and slight people in other ways indirectly and suffer no consequences, something you seem to be very adept at doing.

Whatever you were confused about, we could have had a friendly open discussion, but you choose to act in a disrespectful, condescending manner. You could have just addressed me directly, but I don't think you like to confront people. That's okay, sometimes you won't have to, they will confront you. Maybe I overreacted a little in the beginning and again, I apologized for that, but really, what did you expect? So for future reference, and this is not in the Code of Conduct, don't try and show people up, just be cool to people and you'll have a lot less problems in life.

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