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2013 DEF/ST Rankings

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So what do you think about the defensive ranks this year? As we all know defensive ranks can vary year to year. The 49ers were thought to be the best of the best last year and they were, ehh last year.

I usually play matchups but how are you seeing the defenses/ST this year?

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I play the matchup game. Not wasting a 9th round pick on the 49ers and then dropping another player to start a defense on their bye week.

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It pains me to say it, but I'll probably start whoever plays the Raiders a whole lot this year.

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The Rams defense is intriguing to me in terms of building on what they achieved last year.

Finishing as the 9th ranked defense in ESPN standard leagues they only posted 3 fantasy weeks with negative numbers (against New England, Green Bay and Minnesota/Adrien Peterson) and of the rest only 3 weeks with 5 points or less. They have a strong front seven and a secondary capable of making big plays. The addition of Tavon Austin only helps in the return game. Also notable in tying for the league lead in sacks.

If I get to the last round and the big defense are off the board I'd be happy to take the Rams and see how it plays out.

The Seahawks defense is also one I think has the potential to maintain their success last year. The additions of Avril and Bennett help in rotating their pass rush and keeping it fresh which was a problem last year, once Irvin and Clemons return they should be able to maintain consistent pressure. Also the addition of Antoine Winfield is HUGE. Guy is an impact player who helps in the passing and running game. I think they're the only big name defense who got markedly better this year.

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I agree, Defenses are a gamble fantasy wise. Having said that, we know that SF and SEA are dominant in real football, so I still think they top the board. Not 11th round, but nature of the beast.

Tier 1:

Seattle

San Fran

Tier 2:

Houston - Nice schedule this year

Chicago

Denver

The above 5 are the only ones I'd feel comfortable week in and week out, pre-season anyways.

Tier 3:

STL - Cuz they were pretty solid last year, and have a great week 1 matchup

TB - Another solid week 1 matchup, and made some solid upgrades this offseason. (Revis Island pending)

Tier 4: The streamers

Pitt - Steel Curtain Plays Tenn week 1

KC - Plays JAC week 1

Everyone else

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Don't forget Cincinnati!

Geno Sacks and Michael Johnson should have another stellar year and Dre Kirkpatrick returns from injury. I'd probably put them somewhere in your tier 2-3.

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Don't forget Cincinnati!

You're right, my mistake. I'd toss them in Tier 3 I believe.

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I just stream pretty much every week so all I'm worried about now is who my Week 1 DST will be.

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I think Arizona's defense could surprise and they face St. Louis week 1.

I like Ray Horton's addition in Cleveland, along with a bunch of nice pieces added to the front 7. I think they could surprise too.

Dallas is another intriguing team imo. They've got 2 great pass rushers in Demarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer and 2 really good CBs in Brandon Carr and Morris Claiborne....and Monte Kiffin is bringing the Tampa 2 there that historically I think has been a pretty fantasy friendly system...just look at Chicago and Tampa Bay back in the day, and even Minnesota for awhile was good.

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Then again Cleveland could easily be this year's Buffalo and disappoint like all hell lol. That's a team I'd put on the watch list and if they have a good week 1 maybe snatch them up. They do face the Dolphins week 1...

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On the flip side, what offenses are you targeting for matchups when streaming DSTs? Oakland, Jacksonville?

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On the flip side, what offenses are you targeting for matchups when streaming DSTs? Oakland, Jacksonville?

Oakland, Jacksonville and definitely the Jets.

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I think FFCollusion has a pretty good list there with the addition of CIN.

I typically pick a team that has some good matchups the first few weeks that will be going the last couple rounds, plug them in and forget about it for a few weeks, then stream after that.

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On the flip side, what offenses are you targeting for matchups when streaming DSTs? Oakland, Jacksonville?

Oakland, Jacksonville and definitely the Jets.

Yep. Tampa and NE for me weeks 1 & 2 going against the Jets.

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I'll pick a DEF with my next-to-last pick (last pick is for the kicker, even though I'm tempted to "reach" for Blair Walsh since I'm a Vikes fan). I think the usual suspects like SF, SEA, AZ will be good, but not enough for me to try drafting them in the 8th round or something ridiculous like that. Every year there's a few DEFs that click and you can pick them up on waivers and ride them through the rest of the season. Did that with DEN last year and was quite pleased. My plan is to pick a DEF with a decent Week 1 matchup and then watch and see which unclaimed teams get it going over the first three games.

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Another rule with def/st for me is never draft a defense high enough where you feel like you have to keep them through a bye week.

If I ever find myself dropping a offense position flier to pick up a def/st on a bye week I will punch myself in the face.

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Chargers finished #6 last year (in FF), although they did have a few big games mixed in with a number of duds. They play the Raiders and Chiefs twice a year. Although it doesn't mean much, they have the 2nd easiest strength of schedule.

http://www.nfl.com/n...hedule-for-2013

I'll draft them in the final round like I always do. Will probably end up dumping them though.

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Chargers finished #6 last year (in FF), although they did have a few big games mixed in with a number of duds. They play the Raiders and Chiefs twice a year. Although it doesn't mean much, they have the 2nd easiest strength of schedule.

http://www.nfl.com/n...hedule-for-2013

I'll draft them in the final round like I always do. Will probably end up dumping them though.

Chiefs will be a much tougher defensive match up this year, Alex Smith doesn't turn the ball over and they used the #1 overall pick on an Offensive Tackle which will decrease sacks allowed. On top of the KC upgrades in a pair of games, the Chargers play at PHI, JAC & MIA, all of whom should be improved offensively and overall. That's before the personnel moves in which they've been ravaged: Shaun Phillips & Antwaan Barnes hurt the pass rush right off the bat, but then losing Melvin Ingram to a season long injury in Minicamp was just a cherry on top for the Front Seven which also lost 3 major contributors on the DL in Antonio Garay, Aubrayo Franklin & Vaughn Martin. Better hope Manti Te'o and an completely mispositioned Dwight Freeney can make up for that mess. Then in the Secondary they've added Derek Cox, while letting Antoine Cason, Quentin Jammer and Atari Bigby walk -- all in all not a good offseason for the Chargers' defensive depth chart; appears as if the new Head Coach/GM wanted to clean house for the most part, gonna take a year or two to rebuild.

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Chargers finished #6 last year (in FF), although they did have a few big games mixed in with a number of duds. They play the Raiders and Chiefs twice a year. Although it doesn't mean much, they have the 2nd easiest strength of schedule.

http://www.nfl.com/n...hedule-for-2013

I'll draft them in the final round like I always do. Will probably end up dumping them though.

Chiefs will be a much tougher defensive match up this year, Alex Smith doesn't turn the ball over and they used the #1 overall pick on an Offensive Tackle which will decrease sacks allowed. On top of the KC upgrades in a pair of games, the Chargers play at PHI, JAC & MIA, all of whom should be improved offensively and overall. That's before the personnel moves in which they've been ravaged: Shaun Phillips & Antwaan Barnes hurt the pass rush right off the bat, but then losing Melvin Ingram to a season long injury in Minicamp was just a cherry on top for the Front Seven which also lost 3 major contributors on the DL in Antonio Garay, Aubrayo Franklin & Vaughn Martin. Better hope Manti Te'o and an completely mispositioned Dwight Freeney can make up for that mess. Then in the Secondary they've added Derek Cox, while letting Antoine Cason, Quentin Jammer and Atari Bigby walk -- all in all not a good offseason for the Chargers' defensive depth chart; appears as if the new Head Coach/GM wanted to clean house for the most part, gonna take a year or two to rebuild.

Barnes was nonexistant last year. Phillips was decent, but he didn't get much pressure for how much he rushed. Garay was a non-factor last year and wasn't very good the year before either. Franklin was decent but not irreplaceable. Martin was a backup. Secondary will be younger (Cason sucked and Jammer was old), but it's yet to be seen if they'll be better. Bigby was alright but not solid in coverage and whiffed on tackles by going for big hits.

But the OLBs are a concern. Ingram was a huge loss and I'm not too confident in Freeney. And you're right about Alex Smith. I don't necesarily think phi, jac, and mia will be improved though, they all have questionmarks at QB.

The Patriots are another defense I haven't seen mentioned, they finished #2 last year and were fairly consistent iirc. They have the jets, dolphins, and bills in their division. I think Chandler Jones could step up. I like Buchanan who they drafted, although he probably won't contribute right away. I also liked their Logan Ryan and Collins picks. Plus their (usually) solid offense helps their defense out.

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Defense will be my 16th round pick in a 15 round draft. Kicker will be my round 17 pick.

Careful with that. What people keep telling me on the forums this year is that it's a good idea to take your kicker in round 11 because the players who go in round 15, 16 are better than the guys you'd take in round 11. The basis for this argument is usually Alfred Morris and crack.

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The Patriots are another defense I haven't seen mentioned, they finished #2 last year and were fairly consistent iirc. They have the jets, dolphins, and bills in their division. I think Chandler Jones could step up. I like Buchanan who they drafted, although he probably won't contribute right away. I also liked their Logan Ryan and Collins picks. Plus their (usually) solid offense helps their defense out.

New England is always undervalued, because people see them give up Points and Yards -- that doesn't matter a whole lot in Fantasy Football, I look at Points Allowed as a bonus, so long as my defense isn't taking huge negatives, I pretty much ignore the Points Allowed. The Patriots play a lot of defense though with their quick strike offense and their opponents usually are throwing a lot (which means more sacks and interceptions).

Kinda the opposite of San Francisco who is clearly a much better defensive unit, however much like the NY Jets over the past few years, that strong defensive unit kinda hurts their fantasy value. SF doesn't put a whole lot of stock in the monster play, they rather stuff a RB continually while knocking down pass -- rather than grabbing a big INT mixed in with some big plays allowed. Consistent strong defense can sometimes just blend into a malaise of mediocre fantasy defense numbers, I see that happening in SF right now, it happened with the Jets and in PIT a few years ago.

Here's my current rankings for DST:

Tier 1 - Seattle / Denver / Chicago

Tier 2 - New England / Houston / San Francisco

Tier 3 - Cincinnati / Baltimore

I'm punting after that, good news is a lot of people are down on Baltimore, which is nice because they'll be a better unit this year than last.

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On the flip side, what offenses are you targeting for matchups when streaming DSTs? Oakland, Jacksonville?

Oakland, Jacksonville and definitely the Jets.

Couldn't agree more on the Jets. Week 1 I'd love to own Tampa. Revis Island will destroy Sanchez

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With streaming DEF and possibly K being the way to go for the past few years and TE and possibly even QB this year, how do you all go about it if your league has weekly waivers?

If you put in a waiver request each week for a DEF or TE you'll always be bumped to the end of the waiver queue each week therefore being able to pick up the next hot RB/WR who busts out.

Or do you wait till waivers go through on Tues/Wed and then pickup the best of who is left for that week's matchup?

Obviously this thread isn't for leagues who have a set $ amount given for waivers each year.

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Wait until waivers have passed and pick someone up on Wednesday. Or if a player/defense you liked was dropped on Wednesday, wait until Saturday or whenever they clear waivers.

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