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I was looking over the wire yesterday and Shane Battier was sitting there, he was on average taken in the 6-8th round because of his ability to be a 2-3PTM/1STL/1BLK contributer. I quickly snatched him up - but had to drop my favorite late round pick in Andrew Bynum for him. When it comes to players I will easily look at the steady flow of minutes and see who could be more valuable. Bynum should get plenty of burn at the C position for the Lakers, but I still think he is one year away from making that leap into contributing on a nightly basis.

Who else likes Shane Battier? And should I have dumped Bynum for him?

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Battier is better than Bynum but he doesn't score enough to warrant a roster spot on my team

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I mainly dumped Battier for Bynum because their scoring should be around equal this season - I can't see Bynum getting more than 10-12 points every game, something Battier accomplishes easily with the 35+ minutes of burn he gets every night. Of course boards and blocks would be something to look at, but Battier has consistently been a 1BLK guy night in and night out - along with his usual 4-5 rebounds. Mainly the minute-flux that Bynum was in that made me make this move, will Phil Jackson use Brown on bigger defenders? Where will Chris Mihm be used? How conditioned is Bynum to playing 30 minutes a game? No doubt in my mind Bynum is ready to be fantasy usable, but I'd rather have an answer in Battier than a question mark in Bynum.

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I was looking over the wire yesterday and Shane Battier was sitting there, he was on average taken in the 6-8th round because of his ability to be a 2-3PTM/1STL/1BLK contributer. I quickly snatched him up - but had to drop my favorite late round pick in Andrew Bynum for him. When it comes to players I will easily look at the steady flow of minutes and see who could be more valuable. Bynum should get plenty of burn at the C position for the Lakers, but I still think he is one year away from making that leap into contributing on a nightly basis.

Who else likes Shane Battier? And should I have dumped Bynum for him?

I have always found Battier to be underrated when it comes to roto for his ability to get the fringe stats in mass with few TO's. I don't think he is a great h2h play because he doesn't get enough bulk in the cats that you really need to win like points, assists, boards. I usually try to fill those out stronger in a h2h.

Here is my concern from owning him last season. Look at games last year where Yao and McGrady both played and were healthy, Battier's stats dropped big time. I think he was heading for the FA list until Ming went down. With Yao and Tmac missing so many games last season, he gave you 5th round value. When they were healthy near the end of the season, I hardly played him since there is a games max and he wasn't doing much. I went with hot WW pickups that were clearly out playing him at that point. That concerns me a great deal. If Tmac and Yoa are healthy, I don't know that he will return much value for you. I think he is one of those guys that is way better in real life than fantasy can capture. He could be a 15-18 point scorer in this league if he wanted to, but gives himself up for D and is a stopper and quality player.

If Tmac or Ming get hurt again (likely isn't it?), it totally changes things since Battier will look for his shot more.

Honestly, why was Battier out there? Is is a small league?

Bynum is unproven, but I wouldn't want to throw him on the WW either unless it was a 8-team league or something.

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Someone didn't like his all-around game and just looked at the "sexy" stats, dropped him for a good showing from Paul Millsap. Right now I have most of the hot WW commodities (Salmons, Wilkins) and when I see Battier on the board I scoop him, most WW additions go cold sooner or later and are dropped - it is rare to find a pickup that you can hang onto for the whole season. He faded quite a bit later in the season, but his defensive statistics should have nothing to do with Yao Ming/Tracy Mcgrady being healthy. I would think that having Yao and Tracy healthy in Adelman's offense would actually help free up Battier along the 3PT line, am I wrong to assume this?

I agree that it is better to dominate certain categories in H2H, but how often can you find a rock on the WW instead of a firework that you have to dump after it's done burning? I'll take 45%FG/10PT/5REB/13PTM/1BLK/1STL/1TO anyday from a bench player, If I could have 4 more Shane Battiers I would B)

While Bynum has more upside than Battier what do people really expect out of him this year? He will have to fight for minutes with Kwame Brown when Phil Jackson needs a more physical defender and it has yet to be seen if he can handle 30+ minutes a night. A good night for AB would be to see 10/10/2BLKs, but a regular night for Battier would be the statistics I mentioned above? I could be dropping a guy who could breakout (1 year early I think) and be a 15/8/2BLK guy, but I think those performances will be scattered across the board with the common 20 MIN played 6PT/6REB/1BLK efforts. Webster's, Wilkins, and Salmon's minutes are all guaranteed to be above 30+ minutes - for the rest of the season barring injury or poor play (Salmon's a 10weeker), I'd rather go with guaranteed minutes and mediocre talent than with fluctuating minutes and great talent.

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Like him in Roto, but not as much in H2H. Simple as that.

I like guys that can really have a breakout game in certain categories in H2H leagues, where I like consisten solid performers in Roto. Battier falls in the second category.

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Wouldn't you say that WW C fodder could be more valuable than hanging onto Andrew Bynum? Right now I see a starter/block machine in Theo Ratliff sitting there and a starter in Jamaal Magloire. Both are capable of rivaling Bynum's numbers and have been or close to being guaranteed plenty of minutes as the starter for their respective teams. I know people are high on Bynum (I was one of them), but I can't see him amassing the fantasy statistics if he isn't ready to play 30-35 minutes - one more year in my opinion before he can become a legitimate C threat.

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Wouldn't you say that WW C fodder could be more valuable than hanging onto Andrew Bynum? Right now I see a starter/block machine in Theo Ratliff sitting there and a starter in Jamaal Magloire. Both are capable of rivaling Bynum's numbers and have been or close to being guaranteed plenty of minutes as the starter for their respective teams. I know people are high on Bynum (I was one of them), but I can't see him amassing the fantasy statistics if he isn't ready to play 30-35 minutes - one more year in my opinion before he can become a legitimate C threat.

If anything u coulda dealt him.

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I tried dealing him earlier this year (easily one of the more popular sleepers) and owners are not yet sold that he will be a dependable fantasy player, the maximum offer I could get for him was Luis Scola B) . I'm sure someone will pick him up, then on a bad week he will be dumped into the WW pool again - I am positive that I will entertain the thought of bringing him back onto my team a couple times during the season.

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Battier is the perennial glue guy on any roto's fantasy team with (obviously) much higher value for teams counting TOs.

Many people underestimate the power of stuffing stats while reducing your TOs. If you choose to punt TOs in roto, your team better be more dominant than any of the other teams if you're hoping to win the championship. Battier is one of those guys that helps you NOT totally punt TOs while still giving you the tough categories at the 7-9 round value. I don't see his points as being a concern. You *should* be easily capable of drafting scorers in the top5 rounds to offset his points production.

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Battier is the perennial glue guy on any roto's fantasy team with (obviously) much higher value for teams counting TOs.

Many people underestimate the power of stuffing stats while reducing your TOs. If you choose to punt TOs in roto, your team better be more dominant than any of the other teams if you're hoping to win the championship. Battier is one of those guys that helps you NOT totally punt TOs while still giving you the tough categories at the 7-9 round value. I don't see his points as being a concern. You *should* be easily capable of drafting scorers in the top5 rounds to offset his points production.

This is why I never understood why TOs are used. It totally kills ur team to get better players. I understand u hafta be smart when choosing players but I mean really isnt the point of the game to get the best possible players on ur team. U do that and u get screwed.

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There are plenty of top-name players that aren't TO heavy, it is just another category that you have to prepare for. Dirk, KG, Marion round out the top 5 that aren't high turnover players at all. There are plenty of 2nd rounders that fall into the same category.

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There are plenty of top-name players that aren't TO heavy, it is just another category that you have to prepare for. Dirk, KG, Marion round out the top 5 that aren't high turnover players at all. There are plenty of 2nd rounders that fall into the same category.

Such an incredibly frustrating stat though. The thing that drives me crazy about it is the fact that managers who stop following their teams benefit from it. I mean that right there makes zero sense to me.

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Except that they lose in every other category? B)

I'll take 8-1 anyday.

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Someone didn't like his all-around game and just looked at the "sexy" stats, dropped him for a good showing from Paul Millsap. Right now I have most of the hot WW commodities (Salmons, Wilkins) and when I see Battier on the board I scoop him, most WW additions go cold sooner or later and are dropped - it is rare to find a pickup that you can hang onto for the whole season. He faded quite a bit later in the season, but his defensive statistics should have nothing to do with Yao Ming/Tracy Mcgrady being healthy. I would think that having Yao and Tracy healthy in Adelman's offense would actually help free up Battier along the 3PT line, am I wrong to assume this?

I agree that it is better to dominate certain categories in H2H, but how often can you find a rock on the WW instead of a firework that you have to dump after it's done burning? I'll take 45%FG/10PT/5REB/13PTM/1BLK/1STL/1TO anyday from a bench player, If I could have 4 more Shane Battiers I would B)

First of all, I prefer Battier over Bynum. But the reason why Battier isn't as attractive in H2H (at least in smaller leagues ie 10~12 teams) is because he's usually not really effective enough to be a regular starter. When you play H2H it's generally better to concentrate on a certain number of cats. Since Battier is really your 7th, 8th guy on your roster (based on his value), by playing him in you are just solidifying your overall stats by a bit. It probably doesn't tip your team's chance of winning against other teams in certain cats. IMO your 7th, 8th guy should be the ones who can give you edge in certain cats like someone mentioned previously here. Only thing attractive from Battier in H2H is his 1.9 3ppg last season, as that could play as a tipping factor in 3point cat. His blocks and steals meanwhile would be less likely to contribute much b/c having 1 per game for those cats doesn't really shift balance at the end of one week, and also combinating blocks and 3pm as your teams strength is always hard and then you are not benefiting fully out of Battier's strength. So Battier at best, becomes really a 3pt specialist in H2H unless ur team is somehow built on to excel in 3pt, stls, and blks.

I guess this is just my strategy in H2H, where i try to achieve balance with my top guys, and then really focus on stronger stats with "specialists" on bottom half of my roster. But those specialist should at least excel in two cats (easiest is stls + asts or rebs + blks combo). See even if you did other way around, ie try to establish stronger stats right from scratch, does Battier really fit into your team well? You would still want to have guys that excel in those strong cats rather than having an average rounded player like Battier, b/c u'd want to maximize ur strength. I guess only if you have Marion, Battier is a nice complement to have as one of your last starters (3s, stls, blocks). In roto it doesn't really matter how you do it b/c u want the balance anyways, which is why Battier is worth a lot more.

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First of all, I prefer Battier over Bynum. But the reason why Battier isn't as attractive in H2H (at least in smaller leagues ie 10~12 teams) is because he's usually not really effective enough to be a regular starter. When you play H2H it's generally better to concentrate on a certain number of cats. Since Battier is really your 7th, 8th guy on your roster (based on his value), by playing him in you are just solidifying your overall stats by a bit. It probably doesn't tip your team's chance of winning against other teams in certain cats. IMO your 7th, 8th guy should be the ones who can give you edge in certain cats like someone mentioned previously here. Only thing attractive from Battier in H2H is his 1.9 3ppg last season, as that could play as a tipping factor in 3point cat. His blocks and steals meanwhile would be less likely to contribute much b/c having 1 per game for those cats doesn't really shift balance at the end of one week, and also combinating blocks and 3pm as your teams strength is always hard and then you are not benefiting fully out of Battier's strength. So Battier at best, becomes really a 3pt specialist in H2H unless ur team is somehow built on to excel in 3pt, stls, and blks.

I guess this is just my strategy in H2H, where i try to achieve balance with my top guys, and then really focus on stronger stats with "specialists" on bottom half of my roster. But those specialist should at least excel in two cats (easiest is stls + asts or rebs + blks combo). See even if you did other way around, ie try to establish stronger stats right from scratch, does Battier really fit into your team well? You would still want to have guys that excel in those strong cats rather than having an average rounded player like Battier, b/c u'd want to maximize ur strength. I guess only if you have Marion, Battier is a nice complement to have as one of your last starters (3s, stls, blocks). In roto it doesn't really matter how you do it b/c u want the balance anyways, which is why Battier is worth a lot more.

I totally understand where you are coming from, I do agree that Battier is rock solid in Roto and quite valuable. But to my team's makeup I feel that he is much more valuable than any other bench fodder. He isn't in my "starting lineup" but having a player that could move up to 2-3PTM and hover around 1STL/1BLK/1TO is a solid player to keep your stats solidified. I do have Andre Iguodala and Allen Iverson, both are TO machines so I had to really tread carefully in the middle rounds to make sure I wasn't punting turnovers. With Dirk, Antawn, and Miller I cut down on those TO so Battier would be a great player to put into that group as well. I initally punted blocks but now it looks like my team might actually be competitive in that category. Carrying Big Z, Wilcox, Brad Miller, Dirk, Battier, and pondering picking up Ratliff should have me being in that cat-every week. The main thing that people try to get in the WW is gems that they can put on their bench that they will not have to replace every week, most of the time owners can only pick up the "hot" players and have to drop them when they turn cold.

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I totally understand where you are coming from, I do agree that Battier is rock solid in Roto and quite valuable. But to my team's makeup I feel that he is much more valuable than any other bench fodder. He isn't in my "starting lineup" but having a player that could move up to 2-3PTM and hover around 1STL/1BLK/1TO is a solid player to keep your stats solidified. I do have Andre Iguodala and Allen Iverson, both are TO machines so I had to really tread carefully in the middle rounds to make sure I wasn't punting turnovers. With Dirk, Antawn, and Miller I cut down on those TO so Battier would be a great player to put into that group as well. I initally punted blocks but now it looks like my team might actually be competitive in that category. Carrying Big Z, Wilcox, Brad Miller, Dirk, Battier, and pondering picking up Ratliff should have me being in that cat-every week. The main thing that people try to get in the WW is gems that they can put on their bench that they will not have to replace every week, most of the time owners can only pick up the "hot" players and have to drop them when they turn cold.

hey wait a min, u don't have a backup C anymore!

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