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Sonny Gray 2013 Outlook

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Gray got the call up today, and he's headed to the A's bullpen until further notice. Straily got demoted because the A's won't need a 5th starter until July 23rd.

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Anything to see here?

Maybe if Colon gets suspended. Otherwise it sounds like he will be used out of the pen.

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i'm stashing. . .at least for a bit. his K potential alone has tremendous upside. . .

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Anything to see here?

Maybe if Colon gets suspended. Otherwise it sounds like he will be used out of the pen.

Sounds like this is almost a certainty to happen, I'm thinking about picking up Grey in my 16 teamer.

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I don't think it's a near certainty that Colon gets suspended. He's already been suspended for PED use, so this whole Biogenisis (sp) deal would have to prove that he's been involved with PED's outside of the time he was caught. He can't get busted twice for the same offense if it was a one-time deal.

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I don't think it's a near certainty that Colon gets suspended. He's already been suspended for PED use, so this whole Biogenisis (sp) deal would have to prove that he's been involved with PED's outside of the time he was caught. He can't get busted twice for the same offense if it was a one-time deal.

Not exactly. MLB will be suspending players who lied about having connections with Biogenesis. I don't think it's necessary that they used steroids from them.

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read this as Sasha Gray

i'd drop my entire roster to pick her up. . .

. . .now that my erasmo ramirez has been called up, sonny was the next arm i was most excited about. hope he does well out of the pen and gets into the rotation soon.

anything regarding an innings limit with this kid?

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This guy looks pretty good. Fastball sitting @ 94.

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This guy looks pretty good. Fastball sitting @ 94.

Kept the ball down, had great control and good command of both his fastball (which touched 96 multiple times) and his breaking ball (a tight curve thrown around 85mph). I only saw the first inning he pitched, but he was uber dominant in those first three batters.

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This guy looks pretty good. Fastball sitting @ 94.

Kept the ball down, had great control and good command of both his fastball (which touched 96 multiple times) and his breaking ball (a tight curve thrown around 85mph). I only saw the first inning he pitched, but he was uber dominant in those first three batters.

I only saw the 6th inning, but yeah, he looks good.

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Sonny Gray -- he has to be one of the more interesting stats vs stuff cases of the recent prospect lists I've seen. Except the funny thing is, his stuff is actually really good, but he gets knocked for things like being "too short to be successful at keeping the ball on the ground" and "not having a quality third pitch" while most prospect pundits overlook his actual standout abilities (such as excellent control/good command as well as two plus pitches in his 94-96 mph fastball and tight 85 mph dipping-and-diving curve.) And yet he comes on the mound in the big leagues for the first time and one of the first comments I see on an A's blog is "wow, he's short."

It's uncanny to me how the analytical tools of baseball scouting have still yet to transcend the archetypes of what a player should be like vs. what the player actually is on the field. I saw Sonny Gray pitch tonight and wondered how in the world the scouting universe could be so blind that they miss out on the abilities in front of their faces? Gray's debut reminded me of Johnny Cueto's first start in the big leagues where he decimated the D-backs, striking out 10 and eviscerating hitter hopes as easily as a cheese grater goes through a block of cheddar.

I know I'm on a soapbox here, so I'll climb off soon, but man, Gray looked excellent in his debut. Moneyball came out over a decade ago, and people are still clamoring more about what a player doesn't provide than what he does. For those who have only read the short scouting reports on Gray from the various prospect list outlets, here's a bit more to chew on: He's got a good fastball (94-96 mph) that he throws to either side of the plate and that he keeps down with ease. He's also got a plus power curve that he can throw for strikes at will and that also has a sharp, late break that will provide him with an easy punchout pitch (I call it a curve, by the way, but it does have some slider-like movement in it, too, which is probably why most reports on Gray lament on his lack of a third pitch -- the slightly angular break on his curve won't be as effective against lefties at the big league level since it doesn't have a faithful 12-6 break, the plane most associated with the smallest platoon splits). Regardless, his curve is a true out pitch. In many ways, though, Gray's command serves as his third "pitch". He can locate his fastball and curve anywhere in the zone when he's on.

I love that Gray is on the A's -- it's a perfect match. Beane deserves a guy like this. I have no idea if Gray can succeed as a starter longterm, but to me, for a debut outing, the dude showed some serious goods. Oh, and Gray's final pitch on Wednesday? An 80 mph change-up -- a pitch he's been working on all year -- that broke on the low right corner of the strike zone for a weak pop-up out. There's your third pitch, prospect analysts.

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Caught some of the game last night... wow this dude has some lights out stuff. Watch out.

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Supposed to be one of the top prospects for there system, ill stash him on my system oakland has done good grooming there pitching

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His fastball looked good, his breaking stuff looked downright nasty. I'd stash him if you have a chance. He'll probably only serve as a reliever short-term, but if his stuff is that sharp every time out I think he's going to have a bright future. I know it wasn't a nerve-wrecking situation he came into, but his stuff was very good.

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So he looks good, how's the forecast for moving into the rotation?

Less good. The A's have some of the better depth in all the majors at almost all positions, including starting pitchers. I don't think it's out of the question that Gray could end up in the rotation at some point, but it's probably going to take an injury or two (or some serious slumping by someone like Milone or Straily).

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If Colon gets suspended, that would open up a spot, unless they give it to Anderson when he comes back.

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His second outing was equally impressive. His stuff is better than I remember it being at Vandy.

2 innings, 1 hit, 1 BB, 3 Ks

Got a terrible swing from Trumbo on a nasty curve low and away. Blew it by Shuck with 94 on the inside corner. Painted 95 against Trout on the outside corner, got him looking.

Gray is the future ace of the A's. Calling it now. Don't know if he'll be a starter this year, but in Keeper leagues he needs to be owned.

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Sent back down to AAA. Maybe to stretch him out? Here's hoping...

They have Straily... Why make Gray arbitration eligible one year sooner unless they absolutely have to. I doubt anyone being investegated gets suapended until the very end of the season if not next year. If even at all.

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