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Trey Burke 2013-2014 Season Outlook

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DraftExpress and sportsbook Bovada has him as the early favorite to win ROY as of this moment (summer league) despite his poor showing in summer league. I think Oladipo might have something to say about that but let's talk about Burke.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpr...m#ixzz2ZQcci3Mp

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His biggest weapon as a scorer is his pull-up jump shot, which accounted for a sample leading 46.4% of his attempts in the half court last season. Yielding 1.01 points per-shot, Burke's pull-up is on par with Damian Lillard's coming out of Weber State (1 PPP) and was almost more effective for him than a finishing opportunity, where his 1.052 points per-shot ranks below average. It will be worth tracking how Burke fares when he attacks the rim at the next level, as his shooting at the basket and ability to create easy opportunities for himself at the line could be the key to his ability to take the next step as a pro.

It's all about opportunity in sports and I think he has the best chance to lead all the rookies in usage along with Oladipo this season. Obviously, his size is a bit underwhelming and he could very well struggle against a PG stacked Western Conference but his minutes will be there for him to take advantage.

His 12-13 stats in Michigan

PPG: 18.6 FG%: 46% 3ptm: 1.9 FT% 80% REB: 3.2 AST: 6.7 STL: 1.6 TO: 2.2

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The poor showing at summer league is pretty worrisome. I mean when guys tear it up at summer league we still exercise caution on whether the things they're doing will translate. When they play poorly tho... in just about every game, I think that's a huge red flag. Even if he is a fast learner and cleans up some of the mistakes, it's a pretty tall mountain to climb at this point. I believe he'll be hard to own at the beginning of the year...

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The poor showing at summer league is pretty worrisome. I mean when guys tear it up at summer league we still exercise caution on whether the things they're doing will translate. When they play poorly tho... in just about every game, I think that's a huge red flag. Even if he is a fast learner and cleans up some of the mistakes, it's a pretty tall mountain to climb at this point. I believe he'll be hard to own at the beginning of the year...

Exactly, I said this in a post in the rookie thread, but while it's good not to get overly excited about a guy dominating the summer league, it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that a guy isn't ready (at least at that moment) for starter's minutes when he bombs in the summer league. Look at these teams, most of them are a joke, Andrew Goudelock is like a star in the summer league lol. I honestly cannot think of a single guy that bombed in the summer league then went on to have a stellar rookie year, or even become a star in the league. A solid role player of course yes, but Trey Burke looked pretty bad. Even guys like Cody Zeller, who looked overmatched at times in the NCAA tourney have dominated summer league competition. I won't be drafting Burke, because even if he proves me wrong, I think his lack of readiness will translate into major inefficiency even if his rookie season is a relative success. I also cannot argue with the statistical comparison to Lillard in a concrete sense, but Lillard was carrying a team while Burke was playing alongside top recruits at a major program. Also, Lillard is bigger by about 4" which is a huge deal in the NBA unless you're an absolute athletic freak of nature like Nate Robinson or Earl Boykins (who can bench press >350lbs!!) and even those guys are role players at best. Think of a 5'11" standing next to a 6'3" guy, it's a pretty serious difference.

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Loved his game in college but he kind of has a lot of pressure on him because of the immediate success of guys like Rose, Irving, and Lillard(even though those players are much, much better). I think he'll be pretty shaky and inconsistent throughout the year, he just doesn't have the burst that a lot of the other top PGs have. I do like him long term though

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Loved his game in college but he kind of has a lot of pressure on him because of the immediate success of guys like Rose, Irving, and Lillard(even though those players are much, much better). I think he'll be pretty shaky and inconsistent throughout the year, he just doesn't have the burst that a lot of the other top PGs have. I do like him long term though

That combined with 5'11" though sounds like a pretty bleak outlook.

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In spite of all the valid criticisms above, it still appears that Burke is going to see heavy run in Utah. In fantasy, opportunity is a large portion of the battle. That alone intrigues me, and gives me pause when I look at his underwhelming summer league performance.

I want to see some projections for stats this season. Honestly I have no idea what to expect.

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In spite of all the valid criticisms above, it still appears that Burke is going to see heavy run in Utah. In fantasy, opportunity is a large portion of the battle. That alone intrigues me, and gives me pause when I look at his underwhelming summer league performance.

I want to see some projections for stats this season. Honestly I have no idea what to expect.

I disagree. Even Deron Williams was brought along very slowly in his rookie year. I don't even think Williams was a starter until the second half of that season. Utah has demonstrated time and time again that they will take their sweet time with their youngsters (just look at Kanter and Favors), so while Burke is someone worth watching, I think he'll end up being drafted earlier than he should.

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Fair points, but who will they play over him? Mo Williams looks to be on the way out, so it's basically Jamaal Tinsley and Burke running the point. Now that Im thinking about it, I kind of like Tinsley's chances to be a sneakily productive fantasy player if Burke continues to flop.

Seems to me that one of Burke/Tinsley has got to amount to something, right? Honest question, I haven't made up my mind yet.

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Well I think you've answered the question. Tinsley may be past his time but he's still a productive player when given the minutes, and personally I think that those two will be in an unfortunate timeshare until Burke really starts proving his worth.

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In spite of all the valid criticisms above, it still appears that Burke is going to see heavy run in Utah. In fantasy, opportunity is a large portion of the battle. That alone intrigues me, and gives me pause when I look at his underwhelming summer league performance.

I want to see some projections for stats this season. Honestly I have no idea what to expect.

I disagree. Even Deron Williams was brought along very slowly in his rookie year. I don't even think Williams was a starter until the second half of that season. Utah has demonstrated time and time again that they will take their sweet time with their youngsters (just look at Kanter and Favors), so while Burke is someone worth watching, I think he'll end up being drafted earlier than he should.

But that was Utah under Jerry Sloan...

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But that was Utah under Jerry Sloan...

Not Kanter and Favors.

Both Favors and Kanter played behind Jefferson and Millsap from the time they first joined the Jazz. D.Will had Carlos Arroyo ahead of him when he was a rookie. I think it's two different situations/two different coaching styles. Unless his play is super erratic, I think he'll get his minutes. I'm not sure if he'll be a decent fantasy option, but the opportunities will definitely be there.

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Fair points, but who will they play over him? Mo Williams looks to be on the way out, so it's basically Jamaal Tinsley and Burke running the point. Now that Im thinking about it, I kind of like Tinsley's chances to be a sneakily productive fantasy player if Burke continues to flop.

Seems to me that one of Burke/Tinsley has got to amount to something, right? Honest question, I haven't made up my mind yet.

Well I think you've answered the question. Tinsley may be past his time but he's still a productive player when given the minutes, and personally I think that those two will be in an unfortunate timeshare until Burke really starts proving his worth.

You guys are forgetting this guy, another 5'11" PG but very underrated imo, not exceptionally talented but super quick and always weasels his way into playing time no matter where he is. Plus he usually backs up a bigger guy bc he's talented but lacks size, but when both PGs are 5'11" and Burke is more talented but light years less experienced a time share is very likely, at least for the 1st 1/2 of the season, and that's if they don't bring in Williams or another PG as well.

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I may be mistaken on this, but didn't Lucas steal some significant minutes from Lowry last season post Calderon trade? i could see Lucas frustrating Burke owners next season.

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But that was Utah under Jerry Sloan...

Not Kanter and Favors.

Both Favors and Kanter played behind Jefferson and Millsap from the time they first joined the Jazz. D.Will had Carlos Arroyo ahead of him when he was a rookie. I think it's two different situations/two different coaching styles. Unless his play is super erratic, I think he'll get his minutes. I'm not sure if he'll be a decent fantasy option, but the opportunities will definitely be there.

Oh yea, I remember that, that was so bizarre. The Jazz made Williams play behind Arroyo even though he was in Detroit, was extremely inconvenient if both teams were playing! ;) Just kidding, he actually played behind Keith McLeod though, until McLeod was injured and missed a month or two and Deron the only other real PG on the roster. He got his minutes, but his numbers were seriously all over the place, almost un-rosterable until the end of the season.

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But that was Utah under Jerry Sloan...

Not Kanter and Favors.

Both Favors and Kanter played behind Jefferson and Millsap from the time they first joined the Jazz. D.Will had Carlos Arroyo ahead of him when he was a rookie. I think it's two different situations/two different coaching styles. Unless his play is super erratic, I think he'll get his minutes. I'm not sure if he'll be a decent fantasy option, but the opportunities will definitely be there.

Oh yea, I remember that, that was so bizarre. The Jazz made Williams play behind Arroyo even though he was in Detroit, was extremely inconvenient if both teams were playing! ;) Just kidding, he actually played behind Keith McLeod though, until McLeod was injured and missed a month or two and Deron the only other real PG on the roster. He got his minutes, but his numbers were seriously all over the place, almost un-rosterable until the end of the season.

My mistake. I knew Arroyo was on the roster sometime in that period, so I just threw his name out.

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But that was Utah under Jerry Sloan...

Not Kanter and Favors.

Both Favors and Kanter played behind Jefferson and Millsap from the time they first joined the Jazz. D.Will had Carlos Arroyo ahead of him when he was a rookie. I think it's two different situations/two different coaching styles. Unless his play is super erratic, I think he'll get his minutes. I'm not sure if he'll be a decent fantasy option, but the opportunities will definitely be there.

Oh yea, I remember that, that was so bizarre. The Jazz made Williams play behind Arroyo even though he was in Detroit, was extremely inconvenient if both teams were playing! ;) Just kidding, he actually played behind Keith McLeod though, until McLeod was injured and missed a month or two and Deron the only other real PG on the roster. He got his minutes, but his numbers were seriously all over the place, almost un-rosterable until the end of the season.

My mistake. I knew Arroyo was on the roster sometime in that period, so I just threw his name out.

Lol it happens I was just joking around, the reason I looked it up was that it sounded right but at the same time it didn't, if you asked me to put money on it though I wouldn't have been able to. As far as my memory is concerned Arroyo played for Utah & Orlando and Puerto Rico, its weird to think he plated on Detroit, Boston, etc.

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Updating a previous report, Trey Burke fractured his right index finger during Saturday's game and he'll be re-evaluated on Monday.

The nature of the fracture and the treatment prescribed will determine Burke's timetable, but it will likely be measured in weeks. Utah was already perilously thin at PG and they'll likely start John Lucas III until Burke is ready to return. Where's Earl Watson when you need him?

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Trey Burke has a fractured finger and could miss 4-6 weeks making the Jazz interested in Marquis Teague.

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what a fail, just traded him and then i see the news. but do u drop him in a 12 man team?

No I think you have to ride it out or trade him on the cheap.

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Update from rotoworld...

Trey Burke is expected to miss 8-12 weeks after having surgery on Tuesday to repair his fractured index finger, according to his agent.

He'll need to have pins inserted and this is a far worse timetable than the initial 3-6 week window suggested by Burke's father on Sunday. John Lucas III becomes the starting PG by default until Burke is ready to return, and Utah will likely scour the free agent pool and trade market for another backup ball-handler. Lucas may surface as a low-end value and his per-36-minute averages are worth reciting -- 15.6 points on 39.3 percent FGs, 2.3 threes, 3.2 rebounds, 4.5 assists and 1.1 steals.

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Update from rotoworld...

Trey Burke is expected to miss 8-12 weeks after having surgery on Tuesday to repair his fractured index finger, according to his agent.

He'll need to have pins inserted and this is a far worse timetable than the initial 3-6 week window suggested by Burke's father on Sunday. John Lucas III becomes the starting PG by default until Burke is ready to return, and Utah will likely scour the free agent pool and trade market for another backup ball-handler. Lucas may surface as a low-end value and his per-36-minute averages are worth reciting -- 15.6 points on 39.3 percent FGs, 2.3 threes, 3.2 rebounds, 4.5 assists and 1.1 steals.

okay that's a lot different than 3-6 weeks. I dunno if I can hold him that long.

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