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Pierre Thomas 2013 Season Outlook

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What do you guys think of Pierre Thomas this season? It seemed like he was always the best and most versatile back in the Saints rotation, Payton is returning, and Chris Ivory is out of the mix.

Think this guy can have a big season?

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I think he should be the one getting the bulk of the carries. He has a career ypc better than Ingram, and he is effective in the pass game. But until they stop doing a 50/50 split with Ingram, I don't see him having that much value. Thomas' numbers are going to be inconsistent on a week to week basis.

Saints coach Sean Payton said Thursday he expects Mark Ingram to "be a big part of what we do running the football" in 2013.

During his year away on a BountyGate suspension, Payton was discouraged by the Saints' lack of commitment to the running game. He's vowed to change that, which makes Ingram a somewhat interesting mid-round fantasy pick. "I know he is anxious, ... healthy, and probably I would say going into his third year as healthy and as good of shape as he has been," Payton said of Ingram. Ingram's fantasy outlook is also helped by the departure of Chris Ivory

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Not a big season, no. But he's fine as a bye week replacement/flex guy.

I can see 900-950 total yards. This would change dramatically if Ingram or Sproles gets hurt.

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I always take him in ppr, he's 1 injury away (by 2 different RBs) from being a great flex option or (depending on your team) an RB2 and you can get him in the 10th round.

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I think a changing of the guard will happen in NO this year, I think Ingram will be the early down back and PT will be used as a change of pace back. Then you throw in Sproles as a 3rd down/passing situation back. Ingram is finally healthy this year and PT has never carried the ball more than 147 or so times in the last 7 years and has dealt with some injuries in the past. I feel Ingram will be the back this year and the primary goal line back which is great if you are in a TD heavy league. I like PT and have drafted him to my bench the last couple of seasons but I don't ever see him as a bell cow, Ingram on the other hand has the look of a bell cow to me. Of course only time will tell.

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Did PT have a pretty bad concussion last year?

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I think a changing of the guard will happen in NO this year, I think Ingram will be the early down back and PT will be used as a change of pace back. Then you throw in Sproles as a 3rd down/passing situation back. Ingram is finally healthy this year and PT has never carried the ball more than 147 or so times in the last 7 years and has dealt with some injuries in the past. I feel Ingram will be the back this year and the primary goal line back which is great if you are in a TD heavy league. I like PT and have drafted him to my bench the last couple of seasons but I don't ever see him as a bell cow, Ingram on the other hand has the look of a bell cow to me. Of course only time will tell.

I don't follow the Saints very closely so I don't know about any nagging injuries they may have played through - but P Thomas played in almost every game the last 2 years. He did miss week 17 with a knee injury, but he played through it in week 16 and they were out of the playoffs anyways. The put him on IR but they needed to add a cornerback. I realize he has dealt with other injuries in prior years though.

Ingram missed half of 2011 with turf toe, and he's also had ankle and knee injuries. It's not like he's been injury free either.

They both weigh 215 lbs, although Ingram is probably a little bigger due to being shorter. Thomas' career ypc is almost a whole yard better than Ingram's. P Thomas looks like the better runner on the field to me, and he is not one dimensional (he can catch too), so I don't know why you think Ingram has the look of a bellcow more than PT.

Did PT have a pretty bad concussion last year?

Looks like that was in the 2011 playoffs. I don't know that it was any worse than any other concussion though.

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Imo Ingram is flirting with bust status and I don't think the coaching staff has too much patience left.

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Did PT have a pretty bad concussion last year?

2011 playoffs. 49ers vs. Saints. Ole boy got lit up at the goal line.

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I'm high on PT compared to his draft position this year. I think he ends the year with 1200+ total yards and around 8 TDs. So in my opinion he's a Top 15-20 RB being ranked as the #50 RB in drafts.

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The Saints have listed Pierre Thomas as the first-string running back on their initial depth chart.

No surprise. Thomas has routinely outplayed Mark Ingram over the last two seasons and worked ahead of him during OTAs. Darren Sproles is listed as the third-team running back, but he'll end up playing the most snaps of the trio in his usual pass-catching role. Thomas and Ingram project to share carries when the Saints do execute base running plays.

Finally losing patience with Ingram? I've been targeting PT in the late rounds for RB depth and will continue to now. I'm assuming Ingram will probably get GL carries still though.

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I guess I'm not in the same boat with as many of you here. To draft a guy expecting an injury is not exactly what I'm looking for unless you are in a very deep league. Having said that PT will be able to have some weeks where you can get 10-15 pts. from him but you won't know when those days will be. I think he'll finish with around 800 total yds and about 5 TDs which if all goes according to plan puts him the top 30-40 RB range. Not all that exciting..

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I guess I'm not in the same boat with as many of you here. To draft a guy expecting an injury is not exactly what I'm looking for unless you are in a very deep league. Having said that PT will be able to have some weeks where you can get 10-15 pts. from him but you won't know when those days will be. I think he'll finish with around 800 total yds and about 5 TDs which if all goes according to plan puts him the top 30-40 RB range. Not all that exciting..

Not sure if you're referring to standard or PPR, but in PPR he averaged over 10 PPG last year despite Sproles, Ingram, Ivory and Cadet. Not that they were all on the field simultaneously but regardless, he's one of those not so sexy guys, that can get the job done for certain strategies.

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He's a great guy in those 12-14 team 0.5 PPR/Full PPR leagues as a weekly flex.

In a 10 team standard scoring league, not so much. Better as a bye week replacement in those formats.

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Just saw this on Rotoworld's Pierre Thomas news page. I hope it's ignored and PT stays a forgotten man until I draft him just before my kicker...

The Saints have listed Pierre Thomas as the first-string running back on their initial depth chart.

No surprise. Thomas has routinely outplayed Mark Ingram over the last two seasons (4.81 YPC vs. 3.87 YPC) and worked ahead of him during OTAs. Darren Sproles is listed as the third-team running back, but he'll end up playing the most snaps of the trio in his usual pass-catching role. Thomas and Ingram project to share carries when the Saints do execute base running plays. Aug 5 - 11:43 AM

Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune

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I don't want head #2 (or is it #3?) of a three headed RBBC monster. I got frustrated enough owning Sproles with him never on the field much. Think I'll pull all my hair out if I have Pierre Thomas.

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Sproles is an entirely different back, and with Peyton back in charge he'll be used properly again. You're not drafting PT as your every week RB2, he's more situational, flex, bye week filler and wait and see kinda guy. If Ingram or PT get hurt either of them will definitely be worth owning with the balenced offense the Saints say they're going to run.

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I don't want head #2 (or is it #3?) of a three headed RBBC monster. I got frustrated enough owning Sproles with him never on the field much. Think I'll pull all my hair out if I have Pierre Thomas.

Amen to that. I've kept an eye on Pierre the last three seasons, and believe him to be talented and capable of being a good fantasy producer. I've rostered him for short periods, and have been tempted to other times as well. But in that system, he's not gonna deliver with any consistency.

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He's a huge value right now in PPR leagues. He was RB34 last year and will have a much bigger role this year, yet he's being taken as RB46 off the board.

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He's a huge value right now in PPR leagues. He was RB34 last year and will have a much bigger role this year, yet he's being taken as RB46 off the board.

Why would he have a "much bigger role"? He's in the exact same situation. Sproles will be the 3rd down back and catch the passes, Ingram will be the short-yardage and goal-line back. That leaves, at most, 1st and long and 2nd and long situations for a guy on a pass-first offense.

He's got a very very low ceiling, so I'm not drafting him unless it's as a late-round flier and I have a ton of volatility in my top RBs. Almost no chance that any solid fantay team would ever start Pierre Thomas at RB other than in a bye week or due to injury.

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Sproles the back to have with potential RB2/flex value depending on league depth and PPR status. With Payton back he will have the biggest increase in production. Yes he will get those "3rd down back touches" but the Saints will run those plays on 1st and 2nd down as well. Of the "true" runners I like Thomas more than Ingram. He has the chance to have good value if drafted late; after round 10 as a spot starter in case of byes and injuries. Won't win you a league but may be the difference in a thin week or two.

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I've always loved PT as the guy who can get you through a few weeks when he's plugged into a bigger role. He definitely has way more upside than a lot of guys around his ADP

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He's a huge value right now in PPR leagues. He was RB34 last year and will have a much bigger role this year, yet he's being taken as RB46 off the board.

Why would he have a "much bigger role"? He's in the exact same situation. Sproles will be the 3rd down back and catch the passes, Ingram will be the short-yardage and goal-line back. That leaves, at most, 1st and long and 2nd and long situations for a guy on a pass-first offense.

He's got a very very low ceiling, so I'm not drafting him unless it's as a late-round flier and I have a ton of volatility in my top RBs. Almost no chance that any solid fantay team would ever start Pierre Thomas at RB other than in a bye week or due to injury.

Pierre Thomas said "there's going to be more focus this year on that ground game than any year" for the Saints.

"[Coach] Sean [Payton] talked about that when he came back," Thomas said. "He said we've got to get back to running the ball, having 100-yard games non-stop. I can't wait. I'm excited and I know everybody else is excited." Thomas looks to be the main beneficiary from Chris Ivory's trade to New York. A year after rushing for 562 yards and five touchdowns while checking in as fantasy's No. 27 running back, Thomas rushed for just 473 yards and one score in 2012. Mark Ingram will likely handle much of the early-down work. May 8 - 10:21 PM

Source: New Orleans Times

I'm not suggesting anyone take him as a starter (or probably even an RB3), but I do think there's value here. Thomas has outperformed Ingram every step of the way. So I don't see him getting the bulk of the carries - Thomas is listed as the #1 back on this team. There's also tremendous value here if Sproles goes down. Even with Sproles, however, he still caught 50 passes last time Payton coached the team. I'm grabbing him as my lower-risk higher-floor guy in all of my shotgun mocks. I'm expecting something close to 2011, but hoping for a little more.

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He's a guy that can be plugged in if you're in a bye week pinch with no injuries. If either Ingram or Sproles go down, you're looking at a huge opportunity. Most guys in that area need an injury to one specific player to carry RB1 or RB2 value. Thomas could get there with an injury to either guy.

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