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So we are two weeks through the season. So far in my 1 PPR league 20 WR's have scored over 35 points. At the same rate only 9 RB's have over 35 points and that includes Joique Bell, McFadden, and Moreno. Do you think this will continue or is this just one of those random things that happens?

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Trend. Its becoming a passing league. The more rules thet make to protect to QB, the more it will continue.

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Trend. Its becoming a passing league. The more rules thet make to protect to QB, the more it will continue.

Protecting the WR takes the boom out of the defense too

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Mirage. It's the beginning of the season, good weather. Wait til week 7 and beyond and you'll wish you stacked up on good RBs. They will win you championships every time.

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Absolute trend. I think there are two reasons for this. 1) It's becoming more of a passing league and everyone knows. 2) More leagues are PPR than ever before.

This was something I noticed last year when in all of my leagues the teams at the top of the standings had amazing WRs and terrible RBs.

Two champions in my leagues, in the Super Bowl, one started Vick Ballard and Dexter McCluster. The other Ryan Willams and Brandon Bolden, but they had moster WRs and won easily.

I still think RBs are more valuable because they are way more scarce but WRs are changing fantasy as we know it, and quick.

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Regarding your league it is a PPR so you would expect WRs to be more valuable than in standard leagues. In a standard league, the WR's are still doing better in the top 3, but the RBs are competitive. Futhermore some good RB's have been held in check by matchups in the first two weeks.

Also, I would always expect the top 20 WRs to do better than the top 20 RBs because at the lower end of that you have timeshare RBs competing with #1 WRs.

I expect the trend will eventually even out to where it always is, the top 5 RBs will be the most valuable players and likely the high scorers among the WR/RB/TE positions in non PPRs.

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Pretty much all the top backs are utilized in the passing game as well as the rushing game. Even if it's a more pass orientated league they'd benefit from this as well.

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Trend: (1) Passing is generally up, and (2) more teams are using running back by committee and specialists (goal line, third down). Both of those limit the number of stud RBs. At least in PPR, I think the best strategy is to wait on drafting your RB2--get a stud RB that you can depend on round 1, then load up on WRs and a good TE, and stack up RBs with upside in the later rounds.

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Passing is up and trending that way but I believe it is still too early to jump to any major conclusions. It also has been a down couple of weeks for major RBs such as Ridley, Wilson, MJD, etc.

I think RBs will stabilize to more familiar numbers over the season, but WR value is slightly higher than the past overall.

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This would be a more meaningful question if it applied to standard settings as opposed to PPR. That skews those results greatly toward pass catchers. Still WR is a very boom or bust position. I am sure some of those players who put up those ungodly single game stats will put up borderline useless stats the rest of the way, and even the good ones won't be consistent as they do it.

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In a full ppr it's a trend.

Otherwise it's a mirage. With the new rules on practice time the running game is hurt the most as offensive lines need more time to gel. Around week 3/4 you'll see running backs pick it up.

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Which leads to the next question. PPR was created to even the playing field when RBs were the first 15 picks each year. With the shift to such a passing league, why are we giving WRs more points? Edelman's 13 catches = 2 TDs? Why is anyone still playing PPR?

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Also intereting, in a standard yahoo league, 4 of the top 5 RBs were projected to be in the top 10.

Only 2 of the top 5 WR's were projected to be in the top 10, and that was in the lower end.

WRs

1. DJAX

2. Cruz

3. Eddie Royal

4. Jordy Nelson

5. Randall Cobb

RBs

1. McCoy

2. AP

3. Lynch

4. Jamaal Charles

5. Reggie Bush

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Which leads to the next question. PPR was created to even the playing field when RBs were the first 15 picks each year. With the shift to such a passing league, why are we giving WRs more points? Edelman's 13 catches = 2 TDs? Why is anyone still playing PPR?

That's why I'm a proponent of giving RBs partial points per carry (about 0.2 per carry) in PPR leagues. It helps narrow that gap in scoring discrepancies.

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Also intereting, in a standard yahoo league, 4 of the top 5 RBs were projected to be in the top 10.

Only 2 of the top 5 WR's were projected to be in the top 10, and that was in the lower end.

WRs

1. DJAX

2. Cruz

3. Eddie Royal

4. Jordy Nelson

5. Randall Cobb

RBs

1. McCoy

2. AP

3. Lynch

4. Jamaal Charles

5. Reggie Bush

It's week 2, man. This isn't much different from checking the top 5 after week 1. Check this out again in week 7 or so and Royal, Cobb, and DJax will probably not be up there.

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Also intereting, in a standard yahoo league, 4 of the top 5 RBs were projected to be in the top 10.

Only 2 of the top 5 WR's were projected to be in the top 10, and that was in the lower end.

WRs

1. DJAX

2. Cruz

3. Eddie Royal

4. Jordy Nelson

5. Randall Cobb

RBs

1. McCoy

2. AP

3. Lynch

4. Jamaal Charles

5. Reggie Bush

It's week 2, man. This isn't much different from checking the top 5 after week 1. Check this out again in week 7 or so and Royal, Cobb, and DJax will probably not be up there.

Oh yeah, I know. It's still interesting especially if we're comparing WR numbers to RB numbers after 2 weeks. I think desean jackson will finish top 5 and Cobb top 10. Jackson will probably be the steal of the draft, even when Vick goes down (we know its coming.)

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It is definately a trend. With the inclusion of more verticle pass attacks, it is clearly evident. I mean from a business standpoint, and a health standpoint of the players, it makes perfect sense. Running backs have short careers. The average running back's career is three years or less, so teams are not really benefitting much by signing young stud running backs to long term contracts or building their franchise around them. Just look at recent cases such as Chris Johnson, and MJD. The short life span of a running back's prominance makes it hard to build a franchise around them.

On top of that, running backs do not win super bowls. Great defenses, great O-lines, and great quaterbacks, or some combination of the three do.

Also, too the casual fan, passing is more exciting (even though me myself loved watching the likes of Faulk and a good running game).

Time sharing at the running back position provides many advantages to the team and to the backs. It extends their career by lowering their workload at any one time, It allows the offense to be more strategic, and it allows the team to spend money on the more important parts of the team that are pivotal to it's success, such as the O-line, D-line, LB's, Secondary, QB, etc.

Running back is a complimentary position. It is a flashy position, but it's value on average for any single player on any single team is highley overrated. Look at Adrian Peterson, Barry Sanders, etc. Them alone, will have fans, but will not win a championship unless the team is set in the more important, albiet less visible areas

So yes, this is by design. It is the future of the NFL

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The Running Back Sluts will always say it's a mirage.

The guys not addicted to drafting running backs in rounds 1-3(4?) will say it's a trend.

This is like Republicans/Democrats and it will not be a conclusive discussion.

Oh and TREND.

My worst team is the one I drafted masquerading as a running back slut.

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It is definately a trend. With the inclusion of more verticle pass attacks, it is clearly evident. I mean from a business standpoint, and a health standpoint of the players, it makes perfect sense. Running backs have short careers. The average running back's career is three years or less, so teams are not really benefitting much by signing young stud running backs to long term contracts or building their franchise around them. Just look at recent cases such as Chris Johnson, and MJD. The short life span of a running back's prominance makes it hard to build a franchise around them.

On top of that, running backs do not win super bowls. Great defenses, great O-lines, and great quaterbacks, or some combination of the three do.

Also, too the casual fan, passing is more exciting (even though me myself loved watching the likes of Faulk and a good running game).

Time sharing at the running back position provides many advantages to the team and to the backs. It extends their career by lowering their workload at any one time, It allows the offense to be more strategic, and it allows the team to spend money on the more important parts of the team that are pivotal to it's success, such as the O-line, D-line, LB's, Secondary, QB, etc.

Running back is a complimentary position. It is a flashy position, but it's value on average for any single player on any single team is highley overrated. Look at Adrian Peterson, Barry Sanders, etc. Them alone, will have fans, but will not win a championship unless the team is set in the more important, albiet less visible areas

So yes, this is by design. It is the future of the NFL

To riff off of this for a second: Most teams run at least 2 to 3 WRs on the average 2nd/3rd down in the NFL. These extra WRs on the field can be used by a savvy o-coordinator to draw attention to, or away from their best WR(s). This can create extra looks for the best WRs or it can open up looks underneath for the others. At some point, assuming the game-plan works, the opposing defense has to respect the chances being created for the lesser WRs or continue to be gashed. This now opens up the best WR.

A RB has very few complimentary pieces to support him, outside of a blocking TE or a FB (currently a rarity in many offenses). While WRs can stretch the field, and offenses can create situational advantages for RBs, even the best RBs can be contained by 6 men in the box and a safety who excels in run support.

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Trend.. has been for the last few years. Keep stud WR's and let the hot hand at RB and injuries over the course of the season to play out at RB and you got yourself a stud team

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Ive been saying this for awhile now but to me RBs are just not imho what can win you a week. Look at what guys like Cruz can do in a single week.

I understand the notion that RBs are more scarce so theres more value, but I don't know...I believe landing big gun WRs might be key. Not only that but It seems RBs are down so easy anymore, gone are the days of your Bettis, Tomlinson, Alexander type fantasy RBs etc...

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Mirage... he just said his league is PPR. Plus some of the top RBs have gone up against tough defenses in the first 2 weeks.

There are many RBs, but not many feature RBs. It's a priority to get the stud feature RBs, because you have that much of an advantage versus half of your league that have timeshare RBs.

It's almost like getting Jimmy Graham or Gronkowski on your team. Many in the league have inconsistent TEs, but when you get a TE in your team that can get 7-12 catches a game, it is definitely a great advantage for you.

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So we are two weeks through the season. So far in my 1 PPR league 20 WR's have scored over 35 points. At the same rate only 9 RB's have over 35 points and that includes Joique Bell, McFadden, and Moreno. Do you think this will continue or is this just one of those random things that happens?

Absolute trend:

1. As several mentioned, its a passing league, its also become a more difficult league to run in and to break big TDs as a running back in.

- I started playing FF back in the mid 1990's, offenses were half-back, full back, 2WR and a TE (usually a block first TE). It was an offense built around running the ball most of the time. Defenses would try to stack the box, but if you broke through, you usually had a big gain because there was only one or two guys left to beat and so you saw these "home runs" from RBs.

- Red Zone philosophy has become so much more about passing.

2. Someone mentioned the scoring, sure this plays a part too is the PPR, so many more passes and targets now that when leagues are PPR or even partial PPR like my league, the scoring is pretty equal.

I would consider my league to be a pretty serious league, its $250, we started it 4 years back with people from different leagues, its an auction-keeper, blind bid, league PPR is 1/2. I have never been much of a running back first guy, give me 3-4 guys who are starting running backs and I will play the match ups, but when it comes to WR and Ive made the playoffs all three years and won it once and Ive never overinvested in RBs. Ive always believed in strong WR and that has served me well.

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I said trend earlier, which I believe it is, but we're still leaving out a significant fact.

Top RBs are basically guaranteed to touch the ball a certain number of times per game. This gives them the opportunity to produce. WRs may have incredible games, but theyll also have game without any chance at succeeding, simply because they never get the ball. This is what keeps RBs so valuable in FF.

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