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Andrea Bargnani 2013-2014 Season Outlook

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Value pick in the late rounds if he can stay healthy this year.

ESPN projections: 14.8 ppg 4.9 rpg 1.7 3PM in 31.1 mpg

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I took a SUPER flier on him in the last round of one of my leagues. My logic was that Bargnani is an legit 7-footer with 3 point range. His only competition for minutes will be Amare (whom is often injured, can't be trade or play at the same time as Melo) and Novak. So if Bargnani is healthy, he should be the de facto starting PF. NYK has a lot of players who like to drive to the hoop and finish or kick out to shooters. Bargnani will always be open because he's semi allergic to playing in the paint. And if he's sitting on behind the arc no PF in the league can protect the paint AND close out on a shooter of his size fast enough to stop his shot.

I'm NOT saying he'll lead the Knicks in scoring or perform at a All-Star level, but if he plays 70+ games and hits its projected numbers, that will justify a draft pick in the last round.

Then again, maybe I'm crazy and Bargnani will be a tremendous failure on all possible levels. If that's the case, he can be dropped and replaced since I don't play in a keeper league.

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Disagree that Amare/Novak are his only competition at PF, for one Novak isn't on the team anymore and for two you forgot the biggest threat in melo

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Melo could/should play PF depending on who you ask, but his position is still SF. I drafted him late, and I hope I will be pleasantly surprised. This more depends on how he plays and also how healthy Amare can be. 30mpg is not a problem. There'll be times when he will play at C with Amare or Melo at PF (whenever Chandler is up for a breather).

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Novak is gone? I missed that. If Bargnani is playing PF (which he's projected to be according to the ESPN depth chart), then his competition is Amare and Kenyon Martin. I don't see Kenyon beating him out for the starting spot. He's an off the bench energy guy these days. Very much like Birdman down in Miami. That leaves Amare, whom they still can't play with Melo at the same time so there's no way Amare can start.

Now if they move Melo to PF, then that leaves a terrible hole at the SF spot for CJ Leslie, Shump or Metta to fill. Plus Melo can't bang around the post all season against the likes of David West, Millsap, KG, Boozer, etc. He'll get worn down and likely injured.

The only way I see Bargnani not starting is if he's injured, playing terrible basketball, or NYK makes a trade to bring another PF. As a fantasy owner, if he's good, i'll be happy. If he's terrible, i'll drop him. But I hope he does well.

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You know melo played Pf almost all of last year? He prefers playing pd because he quicker and can score better off most PF in the league.

That's why when amare returned they didn't start both.

With bargs I'm not sure if they will try melo at sf again

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Melo is gna play SF and Bargnani at the PF. That takes out melo having to bang in the paint and getting in to foul trouble. That doesn't mean Melo is gna post up less, it just means Bargnani will be on the outside while melo works inside. Bargnani gives melo the spacing he needs like he did as a PF. Although he will still play some PF, I think Melo will play more SF this year just because of Bargnani's ability to stretch the floor and pull out bigs so melo can drive the lane.

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You know melo played Pf almost all of last year? He prefers playing pd because he quicker and can score better off most PF in the league.

That's why when amare returned they didn't start both.

With bargs I'm not sure if they will try melo at sf again

Melo can score on most power forwards, but the issue is whether he can defend against bigger more physical guys. Melo is primarily a jump shooter due to self preservation.

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Melo isn't a great defender at SF either though. He also has a lot of strength/fat so PFs can't really get good position on him when they are guarding him. I think he's roughly an equal defender at both positions but significantly better on offense at PF

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I'm sure that based on his name recognition and association with being a former #1 overall pick that this bum will be over drafted this year.

Let's go over the negatives:

1) 66, 31 & 33 games played the last 3 seasons

2) Declining MPG and overall fantasy value

3) A suddenly crowded NYK front court situation with MWP (who will push Carmelo to PF for stretches), Carmelo, Amare, KMartin, TChandler

Not wasting a pick on this Bargs this season.

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If you actually think Bargs isn't getting serious minutes here, you're crazy. Like the move or not, they aren't burning a first on this guy to sit him on the bench--the move was clearly to improve the Melo at the "4" offensively strategy by allowing Melo to work on the post on offense and let him kick to shooters like Bargs. His shooting wasn't great the last two years but I expect him to get a lot of minutes and a lot of open looks this season. Definitely worth a flier.

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You know melo played Pf almost all of last year? He prefers playing pd because he quicker and can score better off most PF in the league.

That's why when amare returned they didn't start both.

With bargs I'm not sure if they will try melo at sf again

Melo can score on most power forwards, but the issue is whether he can defend against bigger more physical guys. Melo is primarily a jump shooter due to self preservation.

Sorry but that argument makes no sense.. So you're saying that Melo can't defend PF's so he will slide to SF and let BARGNANI DEFEND the opposing PF? You can't be serious right? You just argued against your own argument within the same argument. I don't know how that was possible, but you did it. I have to give you props man.

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Barg is a decent individual defender from games I've watched in the past. However he is a horrible help defender. Thus we might see many defensive lineups/rotations with a deep Knicks front court. He's always been talented but Toronto coaches & BC never pushed him, despite being the "main" player in recent years. Though with a new situation, I might take a flier on him. Mike, Tyson, and Metta have to get on this dude, and hopefully it changes his mentality.

Best case scenario: 30mins+ 15ppgs 7 rebs 2.0 3pm 1.0blk on 46% FG 85% FT.

Worst: 20-25mins 10ppg 4rebs 1.0 3pm 0.5 blk on 40% FG 80 FT%. Constantly gets scolded by teammates and gets hurt again.

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Then he has all of NYC constantly booing at him, he doesn't even want to come on the court, gets injured repeatedly and plays 5-10 mins a game chucking up 3s

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Andrea Bargnani - F/C - Knicks

?Andrea Bargnani made his Knicks debut Wednesday and hit 3-of-8 shots for 12 points, three rebounds, zero 3-pointers and zero blocks in 19 minutes in a start at power forward.

It could have been worse, but not much. Bargnani's value used to lie in his ability to block and hit 3-pointers, but his production in those stats has really tailed off in recent years. He's also constantly injured, meaning he shouldn't be targeted until late in drafts. But if he does win the starting power forward job, he's probably going to have a handful of big games for as long as he can stay healthy."

Lol when was this guy ever known for any type of defencive stats?

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Andrea Bargnani - F/C - Knicks

?Andrea Bargnani made his Knicks debut Wednesday and hit 3-of-8 shots for 12 points, three rebounds, zero 3-pointers and zero blocks in 19 minutes in a start at power forward.

It could have been worse, but not much. Bargnani's value used to lie in his ability to block and hit 3-pointers, but his production in those stats has really tailed off in recent years. He's also constantly injured, meaning he shouldn't be targeted until late in drafts. But if he does win the starting power forward job, he's probably going to have a handful of big games for as long as he can stay healthy."

Lol when was this guy ever known for any type of defencive stats?

When he blocked 1,2 and 1,4 blocks for a full season in back to back years????

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I have a feeling he will have a bounce back year in NYC health permitting. Knicks have no one else to put points on the board on a consistent basis, Felton is low upside scorer, and shumpert and chandler are defensive specialists, amare is on his last legs etc and smith will miss a large chunk of the season.

Maybe bargnani could sniff 16.5 points a game and 1.2 threes as melo's sidekick? Not bad for a 12th round throw away pick.

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any new thoughts on him seeing how he has played in the preseason? Is he even worth having in a 10 team league?

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I took him in the 11th round in a 12 team league I drafted to punt rebounds and be strong in points and 3s nd assist.

I think he is worth a gamble in the late rounds unless there happens to be a player out there who is a sure thing which by then theres not.

He could be a nice steal or a huge bust regardless I like the high reward possibility if he sucks then oh well theres always somebody else you can pick up.

even though they just announced MWP the starter I can see bargnani playing 25min a game 11ppg 4 rpg 1.5 3s a block here and there.

best case scenario 25-30min 15ppg 6rbg 23s a game

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forgot to mention that hes never played on a team with a superstart player specially none that demands attention like anthony so that could help him as well

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