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I don't know much about Bill O'Brien, but I do know that he has worked with Belichick and he's considered an offensive minded coach. Can anyone speak to how good of an offensive guru he is? Is he generally pass heavy? Does he prefer RBBC? What can we expect from guys like DeAndre, AJ, Foster and/or Tate next year? A lot will depend on who is quarterback, and Bill O'Brien has already hinted at trading the #1 pick thereby not picking Bridgewater, but I just want to get an idea of what kind of coach he is.

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I am in the odd position of where I live about 30 minutes from state college and am a die hard texans fan.

You cannot typically judge things like RBBC, whos roles will change ect, based off there college games. Especially a guy who coached with lesser talent due to ncaa infractions placed on the university that were not of his own making.

Heres what to be excited about though.

He runs an offense that is typically pass first, but still gets his running backs 20 touches a game. In other words its pretty balanced. It leans towards a TE attack, his offense could support 2 fantasy TE's ala the Hernandez, Gronk Days. Trust me though Andre and Deandre will still get a chance to shine. O' Brien is sharp, he will take some risk.

The big question for this team is Cronnel. Typically he uses his interior D-lineman as run first block occupiers. Meaning Watt could be asked to sacrifice wrecking havoc for better team results. I dont however, see anyone on any staff being that stupid.

All in all, I think Houston has found a winner. Simple fact O'Brien had a winning record year one, where if not for sanctions he would have lead a team with 15 less scholarships to a play in game for the rose bowl. His second year he but his faith behind a freshman qb and again took a lower talent level team with less scholarships to a winning record.

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I don't know much about Bill O'Brien, but I do know that he has worked with Belichick and he's considered an offensive minded coach. Can anyone speak to how good of an offensive guru he is? Is he generally pass heavy? Does he prefer RBBC? What can we expect from guys like DeAndre, AJ, Foster and/or Tate next year? A lot will depend on who is quarterback, and Bill O'Brien has already hinted at trading the #1 pick thereby not picking Bridgewater, but I just want to get an idea of what kind of coach he is.

No he hasn't. McNair made some off hand comment about being open to trading the #1 pick, but everyone is always open to trading every pick, it is really not a story here. Bridgewater will impress in the combine and pro days as well as team interviews, and he will be a Texan come May, I would bet some serious money on it.

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I don't know much about Bill O'Brien, but I do know that he has worked with Belichick and he's considered an offensive minded coach. Can anyone speak to how good of an offensive guru he is? Is he generally pass heavy? Does he prefer RBBC? What can we expect from guys like DeAndre, AJ, Foster and/or Tate next year? A lot will depend on who is quarterback, and Bill O'Brien has already hinted at trading the #1 pick thereby not picking Bridgewater, but I just want to get an idea of what kind of coach he is.

No he hasn't. McNair made some off hand comment about being open to trading the #1 pick, but everyone is always open to trading every pick, it is really not a story here. Bridgewater will impress in the combine and pro days as well as team interviews, and he will be a Texan come May, I would bet some serious money on it.

If Teddy separates himself from the rest of the QBs in the draft on the combine. Texans is likely take him but I don't think Teddy will show anything "special". But I think Bill will trade the 1st to get some draft picks and pick up an OT . I think Schaub will have a bounce back year even though he is game manager and they will draft a prototype QB like David Carr, Zach Mettenberger or AJ MaCarron to develop behind Schaub.

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He runs an offense that is typically pass first, but still gets his running backs 20 touches a game. In other words its pretty balanced. It leans towards a TE attack, his offense could support 2 fantasy TE's ala the Hernandez, Gronk Days. Trust me though Andre and Deandre will still get a chance to shine. O' Brien is sharp, he will take some risk.

so its a QB reliant, but RB friendly, TE dependent, WR heavy offense huh?

ok gotcha.

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He runs an offense that is typically pass first, but still gets his running backs 20 touches a game. In other words its pretty balanced. It leans towards a TE attack, his offense could support 2 fantasy TE's ala the Hernandez, Gronk Days. Trust me though Andre and Deandre will still get a chance to shine. O' Brien is sharp, he will take some risk.

so its a QB reliant, but RB friendly, TE dependent, WR heavy offense huh?

ok gotcha.

So we can expect 2013 Broncos numbers out of the 2014 Texans.

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I don't know much about Bill O'Brien, but I do know that he has worked with Belichick and he's considered an offensive minded coach. Can anyone speak to how good of an offensive guru he is? Is he generally pass heavy? Does he prefer RBBC? What can we expect from guys like DeAndre, AJ, Foster and/or Tate next year? A lot will depend on who is quarterback, and Bill O'Brien has already hinted at trading the #1 pick thereby not picking Bridgewater, but I just want to get an idea of what kind of coach he is.

No he hasn't. McNair made some off hand comment about being open to trading the #1 pick, but everyone is always open to trading every pick, it is really not a story here. Bridgewater will impress in the combine and pro days as well as team interviews, and he will be a Texan come May, I would bet some serious money on it.

If Teddy separates himself from the rest of the QBs in the draft on the combine. Texans is likely take him but I don't think Teddy will show anything "special". But I think Bill will trade the 1st to get some draft picks and pick up an OT . I think Schaub will have a bounce back year even though he is game manager and they will draft a prototype QB like David Carr, Zach Mettenberger or AJ MaCarron to develop behind Schaub.

Once Teddy gets up to the blackboard for teams yes he will show just how special he is; the kid has the highest football IQ of any QB prospect in recent memory other than Andrew Luck. Bridgewater has been a #1 prospect for over a year, now people are just starting to overthink it. Texans need a franchise QB, Teddy is a franchise QB prospect, Texans will take him first overall...it's pretty simple.

Great article on Bridgewater here:

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/02/teddy-bridgewater-2014-nfl-draft/

Schaub will not be a Texan any longer he will be cut to save cap space that we are in dire need of. Case Keenum will probably be kept around as well as signing another veteran QB for a minimum contract; a Charlie Whitehurst type guy...or maybe Matt Cassel if the Vikings are done with him.

O line is a big need for us, but we have two potential starters coming off IR next season in Williams and Quessenberry. Could be addressed in the second round, but there is some solid talent available in the 3rd and 4th rounds, so I could see going with BPA in the 2nd.

I would not be surprised if O'Brien snags ASJ at #33 to give Teddy a shiny new toy. He is the guy that engineered the Gronk/Hernandez offense in NE, and may want to start building the same foundation here in Houston. Also grabbing Jenkins gives us the opportunity to let Daniels and Graham walk and save us more money.

Foster will be the lead back for sure in 2014, assuming he doesn't get hurt before the regular season starts. His contract is too hefty for us to trade or cut him, so he will be around for at least another year. We can't afford Ben Tate so he will be gone, and Derrick Johnson didn't really impress in his opportunities. I would expect a RB to be taken maybe even as early as the 4th round.

Basically even though we have a lot of holes on defense, I expect this to be a pretty offensive heavy draft. We have the most hefty contracts on the offensive side of the ball, and Rick Smith has to start planning now how we are going to afford to resign Watt after his rookie contract is up...because lord knows we will have to pay him a fortune (and rightfully so)

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I don't know much about Bill O'Brien, but I do know that he has worked with Belichick and he's considered an offensive minded coach. Can anyone speak to how good of an offensive guru he is? Is he generally pass heavy? Does he prefer RBBC? What can we expect from guys like DeAndre, AJ, Foster and/or Tate next year? A lot will depend on who is quarterback, and Bill O'Brien has already hinted at trading the #1 pick thereby not picking Bridgewater, but I just want to get an idea of what kind of coach he is.

No he hasn't. McNair made some off hand comment about being open to trading the #1 pick, but everyone is always open to trading every pick, it is really not a story here. Bridgewater will impress in the combine and pro days as well as team interviews, and he will be a Texan come May, I would bet some serious money on it.

If Teddy separates himself from the rest of the QBs in the draft on the combine. Texans is likely take him but I don't think Teddy will show anything "special". But I think Bill will trade the 1st to get some draft picks and pick up an OT . I think Schaub will have a bounce back year even though he is game manager and they will draft a prototype QB like David Carr, Zach Mettenberger or AJ MaCarron to develop behind Schaub.

You can't expect Schaub to even be on this team next year, let alone have a bounce back season.

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Schaub will be a back up next year, though I'm not sure he'll be a backup for the Texans. I'd say that there is no way that the Texans would not go QB with their first pick, but this is the same team that went with Mario Williams instead of Reggie Bush many moons ago even though everyone though Reggie Bush was a no brainer #1 pick.

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The thing about Bridgewater is that he won't measure great. He's not that tall, although I think he'll be tall enough. He has small hands. He's light and has a narrow physique. And he probably won't be ultra-strong. He also isn't a hellacious athlete which may surprise some folks. He does a ton of things well including his acumen, understanding defenses, is prepared and reportedly is a natural athlete, but will teams out think themselves? What will Manziel do or measure and how will that occupy the situation? There are some very loud Manziel critics out there but he's going to be in the mix of top draftees unless he bombs the rest of the offseason.

A long way to go until the Texans are officially OTC.....

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A lot of teams will be high on Bridgewater, so much so that I think the Texans will have the option of trading out of the No.1 slot if they chose to. There are enough perceived elite players that several teams could be in the mix to try and trade up into the top 3 picks. I could easily see a scenario where the Texans trade down and pick up a couple of picks and still get a high upside QB prospect like Derek Carr, who would be a great fit in a pass first system by the way. If given the option, trading down would be the smart thing to do, especially with a draft as deep as this one.

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Carr is not a name anyone wants to see in Texas.

Plus, he is not an immediate starter. I think he needs development but I would take him over a career backup like McCaron as a 2nd or 3rd day pick.

I think Bridgewater is the immediate franchise starting QB and will be categorized with QBs who are not quite elite (Peyton, Brees, Luck, Cam) but very good like Kaep, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, etc.

I think Bortles and Manziel are starting caliber QBs but not great ones, definitely wouldn't think they would go first overall.

I really think that the first overall pick has to be Clowney or Bridgewater. If anyone else is even considered, I just don't think it's right.

If the Texans had a good QB, I think they would definitely go Clowney as I think he may be the best player available but the need is at QB.

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He runs an offense that is typically pass first, but still gets his running backs 20 touches a game. In other words its pretty balanced. It leans towards a TE attack, his offense could support 2 fantasy TE's ala the Hernandez, Gronk Days. Trust me though Andre and Deandre will still get a chance to shine. O' Brien is sharp, he will take some risk.

so its a QB reliant, but RB friendly, TE dependent, WR heavy offense huh?

ok gotcha.

Haha, touche.

Sounds a little stupid. But OB ran a lot of 2 TE sets, got the ball to the rb's 20 times a game, but will have a WR going in the first round this year from PSU, and he took a team with 15 cut scholarships to a winning record with a true freshman qb.

In other words. I expect foster to be par for the course, if health, a back end rb1. Grahm/daniels (if around) could both have some fantasy relevance. Johnson wont be forgot about. And will see how whatever qb he takes develops.

Thats all : )

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Is Ryan Fitzpatrick going to be their starting QB on week 1?

Its going to be between Fitz and Keenum. More than likely it will be Fitzpatrick. Savage will probably sit this year and develop under coach O'Brien

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Is Ryan Fitzpatrick going to be their starting QB on week 1?

Its going to be between Fitz and Keenum. More than likely it will be Fitzpatrick. Savage will probably sit this year and develop under coach O'Brien

Not sure I'm gonna like AJ or Hopkins' outlook with those options.

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Is Ryan Fitzpatrick going to be their starting QB on week 1?

Its going to be between Fitz and Keenum. More than likely it will be Fitzpatrick. Savage will probably sit this year and develop under coach O'Brien

Not sure I'm gonna like AJ or Hopkins' outlook with those options.

Not that it's terribly predictive of his future success, but Fitz has made Stevie Johnson decent for years and last year he was fairly good with the Titans. He's not Peyton...or even Cutler...but he's good enough to make them worth a mid rounder and a flier, respectively.

I like these two QBs better than any rookie QB coming in and trying to learn the offense and how to play against NFL-level defenses every week.

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The Romeo Crennel hiring was odd. They already had the best playmaking DL in the NFL (JJ Watt) and they knew they were in position to get the best playmaking DL prospect in 30 years (Clowney). So, why go out and hire a coordinator who doesn't want his DLs to be playmakers? Even ignoring the schematic mismatch, Crennel's track record is decent but not great.

That said, the defense is potentially frightening. Getting Louis Nix for 4th & 5th round picks is a great value, IMO. He was being talked about as a top 10 pick before his injury-riddled senior year. I guess the main question with him is whether the meniscus tear is a long term problem. But Watt & Clowney could be one of the great pass rush duos of all-time.

The final issue is whether Cushing can stay healthy. The defense seems to collapse whenever he gets knocked out of action.

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Defense is going to suck. Completely wasted about 6 draft picks not addressing our Line and our lack of depth. It's going to catch up to this year. We're also short handed on linebackers and any semblance of depth. No secondary at all either.

This one was a disgusting draft for the Texans with regards to defense. 11 picks to start. 5 starters gone. We only address 1 position. I envision a bottom 10 NFL defense.

Don't get me started on offense either. This is a 5 win team, max.

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Defense is going to suck. Completely wasted about 6 draft picks not addressing our Line and our lack of depth. It's going to catch up to this year. We're also short handed on linebackers and any semblance of depth. No secondary at all either.

This one was a disgusting draft for the Texans with regards to defense. 11 picks to start. 5 starters gone. We only address 1 position. I envision a bottom 10 NFL defense.

Don't get me started on offense either. This is a 5 win team, max.

Good then that means we can get either Mariota or Hundley.

I don't expect much from the team this year.

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Defense is going to suck. Completely wasted about 6 draft picks not addressing our Line and our lack of depth. It's going to catch up to this year. We're also short handed on linebackers and any semblance of depth. No secondary at all either.

This one was a disgusting draft for the Texans with regards to defense. 11 picks to start. 5 starters gone. We only address 1 position. I envision a bottom 10 NFL defense.

Don't get me started on offense either. This is a 5 win team, max.

Good then that means we can get either Mariota or Hundley.

I don't expect much from the team this year.

I hear you and hope you're right. Last year at this time Teddy Bridgewater was a "lock" for #1 overall. A year changes a lot. Let's hope we get a very high draft pick and hope their is a quality QB waiting for us there. Savage is trash.

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Defense is going to suck. Completely wasted about 6 draft picks not addressing our Line and our lack of depth. It's going to catch up to this year. We're also short handed on linebackers and any semblance of depth. No secondary at all either.

This one was a disgusting draft for the Texans with regards to defense. 11 picks to start. 5 starters gone. We only address 1 position. I envision a bottom 10 NFL defense.

Don't get me started on offense either. This is a 5 win team, max.

Good then that means we can get either Mariota or Hundley.

I don't expect much from the team this year.

I hear you and hope you're right. Last year at this time Teddy Bridgewater was a "lock" for #1 overall. A year changes a lot. Let's hope we get a very high draft pick and hope their is a quality QB waiting for us there. Savage is trash.

But but the pre draft people told me savage might make it to the first round

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