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Doug Martin 2014 Season Outlook

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Of all the 2013 first round RB busts I might take a chance on next year, it will probably be Dougy Fresh. The torn labrum zapped his 2013 campaign only 5 weeks in, and even in those 5 weeks he was only okay, barely averaging 10 points a week.

But I think this o-line is still talented, and can bounce back and stay healthier next year. And I think Glennon takes another step forward next year and VJax helps keep a legitimate passing threat so defenses can't just stack the box on Martin. And I don't think the "promising" play of Mike James or Rainey will force any kind of true timeshare. One of the first things Lovie Smith said when getting hired as the HC is that he wants that run-first smashmouth offense, mentioning only Doug Martin as his key piece.

I'll be strongly considering him next year. I think he'll put in a healthy camp, and be ready to bounce back. It will be interesting to see where his ADP shapes up.

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I play dynasty but right now his ADP looks like 2nd round, those who like him will likely take him early 2nd/late 1st. Those who don't will likely pass on him or take him in the late 2nd.

If you look at his stats, he has never been a force to start off the year, even in his amazing rookie season.

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I am keeping an eye on him. In my three keeper league I own his rights so have to decide what to do with him. He looked good his rookie year. I dont see how he could be bad all of a sudden. Just a bad year for that team really.

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I play dynasty but right now his ADP looks like 2nd round, those who like him will likely take him early 2nd/late 1st. Those who don't will likely pass on him or take him in the late 2nd.

If you look at his stats, he has never been a force to start off the year, even in his amazing rookie season.

I agree that I think he'll end up going that early. Maybe even late 1st. And depending on my draft position, I might chance it with him, being that it looks like all the true quality RB's will be swiped up in the first 30 or so picks. The 2nd round is where I might grab him.

I am keeping an eye on him. In my three keeper league I own his rights so have to decide what to do with him. He looked good his rookie year. I dont see how he could be bad all of a sudden. Just a bad year for that team really.

I think he was victim of his terrible team before he got hurt. Who are your other choices for keepers?

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Also, I bet the Bucs draft some line help. Carl Nicks was a huge loss. They have a pretty good defense with McCoy, David, and Revis but they might go pass rusher in the draft. The WRs are solid and Underwood proved he is capable depth. Tim Wright is a serviceable pass catching TE and I doubt they go with a blocking only TE in round 1. It only makes sense that they address either the O-line or the D-line.

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Carl Nicks is a good point brought up. HUGE loss...I forget his name, but I remember they had some pretty viable depth behind him when he got hurt a couple years ago, but apparently not in 2013. They just weren't the same elite unit. If they get o-line help early in April, that will push me more towards banking on a bounce back year from DMart.

I also think Glennon will stick to him pretty good as safety valve getting some dumps to him regularly every week. Developing QB's love DMart's type of pass catching RB.

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Carl Nicks is a good point brought up. HUGE loss...I forget his name, but I remember they had some pretty viable depth behind him when he got hurt a couple years ago, but apparently not in 2013. They just weren't the same elite unit. If they get o-line help early in April, that will push me more towards banking on a bounce back year from DMart.

I also think Glennon will stick to him pretty good as safety valve getting some dumps to him regularly every week. Developing QB's love DMart's type of pass catching RB.

I think their O-line is pretty good all around but Glennon can't handle terrorizing pass rushers and I am not sure about their depth. Plus, I think they may just go BPA(Best player available) because what do the Bucs' really need? I could really see this team bouncing back.

I listened to a google hangout a few nights ago about draft discussion and some draft guys were saying that this is the year to take an O-lineman who needs a year or two of development because I guess there's an abundance of them in this draft.

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cbe, I'm with you here; not ready to write Martin off completely yet. Between the Schiano/Freeman nonsense and the injury, it's probably too early to give up on him. And Lovie's comments are supportive.

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I think their O-line is pretty good all around but Glennon can't handle terrorizing pass rushers and I am not sure about their depth. Plus, I think they may just go BPA(Best player available) because what do the Bucs' really need? I could really see this team bouncing back.

I listened to a google hangout a few nights ago about draft discussion and some draft guys were saying that this is the year to take an O-lineman who needs a year or two of development because I guess there's an abundance of them in this draft.

After thinking about it, you're right. This is a surprisingly complete team for a what, 4-12 year???? Blame Schiano, that team wasn't behind him all year. I will say this, OUTSIDE of Gerald McCoy I know it's a little suspect on the D-line. I think there were some benchings going on, and some under performing. And I think you're right, even with the loss of Nicks, it's still all around unit of an oline.

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Don't quote me on anything for sure though. All I know is that Bobby Rainey and Mike James had success behind their O-line.

I am not lineman king or anything though.

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I think their O-line is pretty good all around but Glennon can't handle terrorizing pass rushers and I am not sure about their depth. Plus, I think they may just go BPA(Best player available) because what do the Bucs' really need? I could really see this team bouncing back.

I listened to a google hangout a few nights ago about draft discussion and some draft guys were saying that this is the year to take an O-lineman who needs a year or two of development because I guess there's an abundance of them in this draft.

After thinking about it, you're right. This is a surprisingly complete team for a what, 4-12 year???? Blame Schiano, that team wasn't behind him all year. I will say this, OUTSIDE of Gerald McCoy I know it's a little suspect on the D-line. I think there were some benchings going on, and some under performing. And I think you're right, even with the loss of Nicks, it's still all around unit of an oline.

Definitely a team that should bounce back similar to how the Chiefs did this year. Assuming all signs point to Martin being the guy next year, I think he's great value if you can get him in the second round.

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Definitely looking to get him if he is available second round. He has a good floor and a definite backup in Mike James. Would love getting a Lacy/Martin rb field in first two rounds. I am planning on going old fashioned and stick with rb-rb or rb-te first two rounds.

I see a bounceback year for hium this year

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Definitely looking to get him if he is available second round. He has a good floor and a definite backup in Mike James. Would love getting a Lacy/Martin rb field in first two rounds. I am planning on going old fashioned and stick with rb-rb or rb-te first two rounds.

I see a bounceback year for hium this year

I am hoping to draft 3 rb in the rounds if i can get guys like lacy/stacy/bell in the low first round and then get doug in the second and morris in the third if he drops there. I feel like with his bad year, people will sleep on him

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Definitely looking to get him if he is available second round. He has a good floor and a definite backup in Mike James. Would love getting a Lacy/Martin rb field in first two rounds. I am planning on going old fashioned and stick with rb-rb or rb-te first two rounds.

I see a bounceback year for hium this year

Are we sure Mike James is the sure handcuff? Rainey had a few nice runs last year too. Both of these backups had nice games against soft matchups so it's hard to gauge who Lovie will like better, and who he puts further up on the depth chart behind DMart. Mike James was the true backup last year, but Rainey actually had to play for a longer period last year, so he played decently for a longer period. I think the chances might still be James, but I wouldn't count out Rainey at all.

Hopefully the backup RB situation takes clear shape in the offseason. Rainey isn't coming off a serious injury either.

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Doug Martin was below 4.2 yards a carry in only 2 games last year, versus the Jets and the Cardinals. The Cards were #1 in run defense, the Jets were #3.

He probably would have bounced back had he played the full year, but Rainey and James got those favorable match ups instead.

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Doug Martin was below 4.2 yards a carry in only 2 games last year, versus the Jets and the Cardinals. The Cards were #1 in run defense, the Jets were #3.

He probably would have bounced back had he played the full year, but Rainey and James got those favorable match ups instead.

Before he got hurt, he was only on pace to be the 21st best fantasy RB. But I tend to agree, I think, had he stayed healthy, his play would have improved as the year went on to the tune of a top10 rb, or at LEAST top15. Doug Martin in 2nd round material to me. With consideration of end of the 1st round if I had to depending on how the first round goes of course.

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Definitely looking to get him if he is available second round. He has a good floor and a definite backup in Mike James. Would love getting a Lacy/Martin rb field in first two rounds. I am planning on going old fashioned and stick with rb-rb or rb-te first two rounds.

I see a bounceback year for hium this year

Are we sure Mike James is the sure handcuff? Rainey had a few nice runs last year too. Both of these backups had nice games against soft matchups so it's hard to gauge who Lovie will like better, and who he puts further up on the depth chart behind DMart. Mike James was the true backup last year, but Rainey actually had to play for a longer period last year, so he played decently for a longer period. I think the chances might still be James, but I wouldn't count out Rainey at all.

Hopefully the backup RB situation takes clear shape in the offseason. Rainey isn't coming off a serious injury either.

Mike James did not have an easy schedule. He started two games against 2 top 4 defenses. Against Carolina he had a repectable 3.9 ypc considering their defense. Against seattle he had a ridiculous 128 yards on 28 carries. I think he stays as backup

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Half his O-line had MRSA, he played v.s. the Jets and Cardinals in 2 of the only 5 games he played, and he dealt with Josh Freeman as his QB and a transition to a 3rd-round rookie QB.

Yeah, he'll easily bounce back in 2014.

His situation reminds me a little of McCoy's from the previous season - had a mediocre year and had a backup come in and put up huge numbers. McCoy was being drafted in the late 1st and sometimes in the late 2nd.

We all know how that turned out.

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Definitely looking to get him if he is available second round. He has a good floor and a definite backup in Mike James. Would love getting a Lacy/Martin rb field in first two rounds. I am planning on going old fashioned and stick with rb-rb or rb-te first two rounds.

I see a bounceback year for hium this year

I am hoping to draft 3 rb in the rounds if i can get guys like lacy/stacy/bell in the low first round and then get doug in the second and morris in the third if he drops there. I feel like with his bad year, people will sleep on him

I think your rankings are a little off. You think Stacy and Bell will be ranked above Doug Martin? I doubt it. I believe Morris will also be a late 2nd round pick.

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I am keeping an eye on him. In my three keeper league I own his rights so have to decide what to do with him. He looked good his rookie year. I dont see how he could be bad all of a sudden. Just a bad year for that team really.

Cadillac Williams says hi.

Doug is a clown and a fraud- I won't touch him anymore. This is another example of why never to buy into a good rookie season.

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I am keeping an eye on him. In my three keeper league I own his rights so have to decide what to do with him. He looked good his rookie year. I dont see how he could be bad all of a sudden. Just a bad year for that team really.

Cadillac Williams says hi.

Doug is a clown and a fraud- I won't touch him anymore. This is another example of why never to buy into a good rookie season.

hardly a fair comparison. Cadillac actually was a good RB but just couldn't stay healthy, ever.

Last season might have been a bad year to draft him because you had to spend a top 5 pick to get him. 2014 will be more "value" and that's the only way you win fantasy football leagues. saying "i won't touch him anymore" because his injury screwed you one year is how you lose leagues.

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I have Martin ranked inside the top 10 for me personally. I think he will have a great year. In my opinion, Josh Freeman seemed to be a majority of the problem there, and by the time he was gone Martin never had a chance. Also, the O-line kinda played like boo-boo at the beginning of the season and got better later.

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I have Martin ranked inside the top 10 for me personally. I think he will have a great year. In my opinion, Josh Freeman seemed to be a majority of the problem there, and by the time he was gone Martin never had a chance. Also, the O-line kinda played like boo-boo at the beginning of the season and got better later.

I would have to agree with you here. The touchdown opportunities just weren't there with Freeman trying to move the ball.

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Cadillac Williams says hi.

Doug is a clown and a fraud- I won't touch him anymore. This is another example of why never to buy into a good rookie season.

Comparing Martin to Williams is a clown comparison. Two completely different styles and Williams' rookie season was nothing like Martin's.

Get a grip.

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Of all the 2013 first round RB busts I might take a chance on next year, it will probably be Dougy Fresh. The torn labrum zapped his 2013 campaign only 5 weeks in, and even in those 5 weeks he was only okay, barely averaging 10 points a week.

But I think this o-line is still talented, and can bounce back and stay healthier next year. And I think Glennon takes another step forward next year and VJax helps keep a legitimate passing threat so defenses can't just stack the box on Martin. And I don't think the "promising" play of Mike James or Rainey will force any kind of true timeshare. One of the first things Lovie Smith said when getting hired as the HC is that he wants that run-first smashmouth offense, mentioning only Doug Martin as his key piece.

I'll be strongly considering him next year. I think he'll put in a healthy camp, and be ready to bounce back. It will be interesting to see where his ADP shapes up.

Thoughts?

Gun to my head? He has a season worthy of a first round pick.

"Lessons Learned in 2013?" Don't spend a top pick on someone who tanked or got IR'd last year.

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