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Demaryius Thomas 2014 Season Outlook

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#2 WR last year, and as Silva notes: "back-to-back seasons of 90-plus catches, over 1,400 yards, and double-digit touchdowns". Plus, he's unquestionably Peyton Manning's #1 WR. 1st round pick in 12-team leagues? Please discuss.

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Hard to say at this point will factors like Decker and Peyton's neck in the air.

Looking good though.

I remember I traded Mike Williams and Rob Housler for him preseason last year................that worked out pretty well.

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Hard to say at this point will factors like Decker and Peyton's neck in the air.

Looking good though.

I remember I traded Mike Williams and Rob Housler for him preseason last year................that worked out pretty well.

Yeah, I accidentally drafted him in the 3rd round this year (wanted to get Graham, then Fitzgerald in 4th rd; ended up with D. Thomas and Gonzo) -- worked out pretty well :).

Harder to be any "safer" in fantasy than P. Manning's #1 WR over the past 15 years.

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Hard to say at this point will factors like Decker and Peyton's neck in the air.

Looking good though.

I remember I traded Mike Williams and Rob Housler for him preseason last year................that worked out pretty well.

Yeah, I accidentally drafted him in the 3rd round this year (wanted to get Graham, then Fitzgerald in 4th rd; ended up with D. Thomas and Gonzo) -- worked out pretty well :).

Harder to be any "safer" in fantasy than P. Manning's #1 WR over the past 15 years.

Pretty sure that is still Marvin Harrison...

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Hard to say at this point will factors like Decker and Peyton's neck in the air.

Looking good though.

I remember I traded Mike Williams and Rob Housler for him preseason last year................that worked out pretty well.

Yeah, I accidentally drafted him in the 3rd round this year (wanted to get Graham, then Fitzgerald in 4th rd; ended up with D. Thomas and Gonzo) -- worked out pretty well :).

Harder to be any "safer" in fantasy than P. Manning's #1 WR over the past 15 years.

Pretty sure that is still Marvin Harrison...

Yeah, M. Harrison, R. Wayne...the point is that year-in and year-out, whoever is P. Manning's #1 WR is as close to a top-5 WR lock as there has been over the past 15 years.

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As much as I love Le'Veon Bell, I'm getting torn about whether I'd take D. Thomas over him in late 1st/early 2nd rd.

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As much as I love Le'Veon Bell, I'm getting torn about whether I'd take D. Thomas over him in late 1st/early 2nd rd.

It's January...

Never seen this forum so active in the months right after week 16. Fantasy football really isn't a year round sport, too much changes between now and draft time to make any sort of draft board.

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Hard to say at this point will factors like Decker and Peyton's neck in the air.

Looking good though.

I remember I traded Mike Williams and Rob Housler for him preseason last year................that worked out pretty well.

I hope you used protection. Because you screwed that guy.

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As much as I love Le'Veon Bell, I'm getting torn about whether I'd take D. Thomas over him in late 1st/early 2nd rd.

It's January...

Never seen this forum so active in the months right after week 16. Fantasy football really isn't a year round sport, too much changes between now and draft time to make any sort of draft board.

Mockery, mockery, mockery...

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Basically every expert will have Calvin ranked as their #1 WR (and some will have JGordan & AJ over him too) but I think Demaryius is the safest WR to take and he actually has some upside too as the team lost Decker and I don't expect Sanders to match that production. He's #1 on my board as of now.

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As much as I love Le'Veon Bell, I'm getting torn about whether I'd take D. Thomas over him in late 1st/early 2nd rd.

I'm in the same conundrum. I'm probably going Thomas as I'm going running back in the first and I've learned there's always more than one running back that pops out as a WW hero if my running back I pick in the third or fourth doesn't pan out, but I'll be aiming for safe guys that late.

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I like him right behind Calvin. #6 overall player. Actually think losing decker will help with more targets and red zone looks

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I like him right behind Calvin. #6 overall player. Actually think losing decker will help with more targets and red zone looks

I agree and I'm glad they changed a big target for smaller Sanders. Both Thomases will have major red zone appeal.

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I like him as third overall behind Calvin Johnson and Josh Gordon. This assumes that there is SOME sort of upgrade for the Browns at QB, which is almost certain because at worst they'll end up with Brian Hoyer who was pretty ok last year until he got injured. Addressing why I think Josh Gordon would be a better pick up over D.Thomas: more talented than Demaryius in my opinion, an upgrade at RB on the Browns, opening up opportunities for Gordon, and an inevitable upgrade at QB, coming off a year where he was the highest scoring fantasy WR. Josh Gordon will be competing with, at BEST, 2 other targets in Jordan Cameron and <whoever else>. Demaryius has Sanders, Ball, Welker and Julius Thomas all as legitimate pass threats. Also, the Browns will never ever be in a position where they are blowing someone out and running the ball 3 times and punting. You may experience that multiple times in Denver, especially with the defensive moves they made.

Those are my reasons, and rejecting them is completely legitimate and I can see why you would.

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I like him as third overall behind Calvin Johnson and Josh Gordon. This assumes that there is SOME sort of upgrade for the Browns at QB, which is almost certain because at worst they'll end up with Brian Hoyer who was pretty ok last year until he got injured. Addressing why I think Josh Gordon would be a better pick up over D.Thomas: more talented than Demaryius in my opinion, an upgrade at RB on the Browns, opening up opportunities for Gordon, and an inevitable upgrade at QB, coming off a year where he was the highest scoring fantasy WR. Josh Gordon will be competing with, at BEST, 2 other targets in Jordan Cameron and <whoever else>. Demaryius has Sanders, Ball, Welker and Julius Thomas all as legitimate pass threats. Also, the Browns will never ever be in a position where they are blowing someone out and running the ball 3 times and punting. You may experience that multiple times in Denver, especially with the defensive moves they made.

Those are my reasons, and rejecting them is completely legitimate and I can see why you would.

Ill take manning and his ridiculous numbers over whoever the browns get. I like Gordon but expect a regression in his numbers. He won't be surprising anyone. I agree with a previous post that said Thomas is the safest WR. A physical freak like Gordon except one has the greatest regular season QB of all time looking his way early and often

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I like him as third overall behind Calvin Johnson and Josh Gordon. This assumes that there is SOME sort of upgrade for the Browns at QB, which is almost certain because at worst they'll end up with Brian Hoyer who was pretty ok last year until he got injured. Addressing why I think Josh Gordon would be a better pick up over D.Thomas: more talented than Demaryius in my opinion, an upgrade at RB on the Browns, opening up opportunities for Gordon, and an inevitable upgrade at QB, coming off a year where he was the highest scoring fantasy WR. Josh Gordon will be competing with, at BEST, 2 other targets in Jordan Cameron and <whoever else>. Demaryius has Sanders, Ball, Welker and Julius Thomas all as legitimate pass threats. Also, the Browns will never ever be in a position where they are blowing someone out and running the ball 3 times and punting. You may experience that multiple times in Denver, especially with the defensive moves they made.

Those are my reasons, and rejecting them is completely legitimate and I can see why you would.

Ill take manning and his ridiculous numbers over whoever the browns get. I like Gordon but expect a regression in his numbers. He won't be surprising anyone. I agree with a previous post that said Thomas is the safest WR. A physical freak like Gordon except one has the greatest regular season QB of all time looking his way early and often

Agreed. Gordon had an inhuman stretch of games at the end of the year last year and I don't see him taking the world by shock like he did this past season. I'd take Manning and Co. over Hoyer and Gordon any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Not to mention the suspension threat looming over his head.

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I like him as third overall behind Calvin Johnson and Josh Gordon. This assumes that there is SOME sort of upgrade for the Browns at QB, which is almost certain because at worst they'll end up with Brian Hoyer who was pretty ok last year until he got injured. Addressing why I think Josh Gordon would be a better pick up over D.Thomas: more talented than Demaryius in my opinion, an upgrade at RB on the Browns, opening up opportunities for Gordon, and an inevitable upgrade at QB, coming off a year where he was the highest scoring fantasy WR. Josh Gordon will be competing with, at BEST, 2 other targets in Jordan Cameron and <whoever else>. Demaryius has Sanders, Ball, Welker and Julius Thomas all as legitimate pass threats. Also, the Browns will never ever be in a position where they are blowing someone out and running the ball 3 times and punting. You may experience that multiple times in Denver, especially with the defensive moves they made.

Those are my reasons, and rejecting them is completely legitimate and I can see why you would.

Ill take manning and his ridiculous numbers over whoever the browns get. I like Gordon but expect a regression in his numbers. He won't be surprising anyone. I agree with a previous post that said Thomas is the safest WR. A physical freak like Gordon except one has the greatest regular season QB of all time looking his way early and often

Agreed. Gordon had an inhuman stretch of games at the end of the year last year and I don't see him taking the world by shock like he did this past season. I'd take Manning and Co. over Hoyer and Gordon any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Not to mention the suspension threat looming over his head.

Not fair, and I hate it when people do that. If you take away everyones inhuman plays, which is suggesting they're flukey, then a LOT of people in the NFL and sports in general who are good are s---y on paper. I watched Josh Gordon catch an 8 yard pass at a dead stop with his back turned to the corner, turn around and make one move and burn the guy for another 85 yards last season. It isn't fair to take that away from people. He is a monster if he stays out of trouble off the field.

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I like him as third overall behind Calvin Johnson and Josh Gordon. This assumes that there is SOME sort of upgrade for the Browns at QB, which is almost certain because at worst they'll end up with Brian Hoyer who was pretty ok last year until he got injured. Addressing why I think Josh Gordon would be a better pick up over D.Thomas: more talented than Demaryius in my opinion, an upgrade at RB on the Browns, opening up opportunities for Gordon, and an inevitable upgrade at QB, coming off a year where he was the highest scoring fantasy WR. Josh Gordon will be competing with, at BEST, 2 other targets in Jordan Cameron and <whoever else>. Demaryius has Sanders, Ball, Welker and Julius Thomas all as legitimate pass threats. Also, the Browns will never ever be in a position where they are blowing someone out and running the ball 3 times and punting. You may experience that multiple times in Denver, especially with the defensive moves they made.

Those are my reasons, and rejecting them is completely legitimate and I can see why you would.

Ill take manning and his ridiculous numbers over whoever the browns get. I like Gordon but expect a regression in his numbers. He won't be surprising anyone. I agree with a previous post that said Thomas is the safest WR. A physical freak like Gordon except one has the greatest regular season QB of all time looking his way early and often

Agreed. Gordon had an inhuman stretch of games at the end of the year last year and I don't see him taking the world by shock like he did this past season. I'd take Manning and Co. over Hoyer and Gordon any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Not to mention the suspension threat looming over his head.

Not fair, and I hate it when people do that. If you take away everyones "inhuman" or monster plays, which is suggesting they're flukey, then a LOT of people in the NFL and sports in general who are good are s---y on paper. I watched Josh Gordon catch an 8 yard pass at a dead stop with his back turned to the corner, turn around and make one move and burn the guy for another 85 yards last season. It isn't fair to take that away from people. He is a monster if he stays out of trouble off the field.

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I like him as third overall behind Calvin Johnson and Josh Gordon. This assumes that there is SOME sort of upgrade for the Browns at QB, which is almost certain because at worst they'll end up with Brian Hoyer who was pretty ok last year until he got injured. Addressing why I think Josh Gordon would be a better pick up over D.Thomas: more talented than Demaryius in my opinion, an upgrade at RB on the Browns, opening up opportunities for Gordon, and an inevitable upgrade at QB, coming off a year where he was the highest scoring fantasy WR. Josh Gordon will be competing with, at BEST, 2 other targets in Jordan Cameron and <whoever else>. Demaryius has Sanders, Ball, Welker and Julius Thomas all as legitimate pass threats. Also, the Browns will never ever be in a position where they are blowing someone out and running the ball 3 times and punting. You may experience that multiple times in Denver, especially with the defensive moves they made.

Those are my reasons, and rejecting them is completely legitimate and I can see why you would.

Ill take manning and his ridiculous numbers over whoever the browns get. I like Gordon but expect a regression in his numbers. He won't be surprising anyone. I agree with a previous post that said Thomas is the safest WR. A physical freak like Gordon except one has the greatest regular season QB of all time looking his way early and often

Agreed. Gordon had an inhuman stretch of games at the end of the year last year and I don't see him taking the world by shock like he did this past season. I'd take Manning and Co. over Hoyer and Gordon any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Not to mention the suspension threat looming over his head.

Not fair, and I hate it when people do that. If you take away everyones inhuman plays, which is suggesting they're flukey, then a LOT of people in the NFL and sports in general who are good are s---y on paper. I watched Josh Gordon catch an 8 yard pass at a dead stop with his back turned to the corner, turn around and make one move and burn the guy for another 85 yards last season. It isn't fair to take that away from people. He is a monster if he stays out of trouble off the field.

So your basis for why Gordon is better than Thomas is because he's inhumane? That's definitely not a solid argument point. He's also not inhumane. Megatron and AD are inhumane. Gordon like I said took the NFL by storm and this is coming from a Cleveland fan. Fantasy wise though, it doesn't get much better being a talented WR catching passes from Manning.

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I like him as third overall behind Calvin Johnson and Josh Gordon. This assumes that there is SOME sort of upgrade for the Browns at QB, which is almost certain because at worst they'll end up with Brian Hoyer who was pretty ok last year until he got injured. Addressing why I think Josh Gordon would be a better pick up over D.Thomas: more talented than Demaryius in my opinion, an upgrade at RB on the Browns, opening up opportunities for Gordon, and an inevitable upgrade at QB, coming off a year where he was the highest scoring fantasy WR. Josh Gordon will be competing with, at BEST, 2 other targets in Jordan Cameron and <whoever else>. Demaryius has Sanders, Ball, Welker and Julius Thomas all as legitimate pass threats. Also, the Browns will never ever be in a position where they are blowing someone out and running the ball 3 times and punting. You may experience that multiple times in Denver, especially with the defensive moves they made.

Those are my reasons, and rejecting them is completely legitimate and I can see why you would.

Ill take manning and his ridiculous numbers over whoever the browns get. I like Gordon but expect a regression in his numbers. He won't be surprising anyone. I agree with a previous post that said Thomas is the safest WR. A physical freak like Gordon except one has the greatest regular season QB of all time looking his way early and often

Agreed. Gordon had an inhuman stretch of games at the end of the year last year and I don't see him taking the world by shock like he did this past season. I'd take Manning and Co. over Hoyer and Gordon any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Not to mention the suspension threat looming over his head.

Not fair, and I hate it when people do that. If you take away everyones inhuman plays, which is suggesting they're flukey, then a LOT of people in the NFL and sports in general who are good are s---y on paper. I watched Josh Gordon catch an 8 yard pass at a dead stop with his back turned to the corner, turn around and make one move and burn the guy for another 85 yards last season. It isn't fair to take that away from people. He is a monster if he stays out of trouble off the field.

There's no doubt josh Gordon is a monster. He's in an elite class with Calvin dez and DT of guys that just should not be so big fast tough and strong handed. But when it comes down to comparing the two I think it almost dead even, apples to apples, beast to beast on who is better, and I think GMs and scouts would agree. I mean DT made tebow look useful! So when two guys are of similar talent it comes down to who is in the best situation, and that would be Thomas to me. Two elite WR in two very difference scenarios

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If you're looking to compare Thomas to Gordon, or Gordon to anyone for that matter, you need to think about what it would have been like in reverse. DT playing for the browns v Gordon playing w/ Peyton. To be honest, I don't think Thomas would have been able to do what Gordon did last year in similar circumstances. I don't think anyone but Megatron could have.

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Agreed. Gordon had an inhuman stretch of games at the end of the year last year and I don't see him taking the world by shock like he did this past season. I'd take Manning and Co. over Hoyer and Gordon any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Not to mention the suspension threat looming over his head.

Were they really that inhuman?

Gordon's best games last year:

22

24

29

38

Thomas' best games last year:

20

23

28

28

So, either you have to convince me that 10 points in a single game, is the difference between human and inhuman (or fluke/non fluke)

or

You have to convince me that having the games back to back to back, is more fluky than Thomas having them at random intervals.

You're going to have an extremely hard time doing either.

To act as if Josh Gordon came from no where, is a very short sighted outlook. In 2012 we saw him make some amazing plays, coming in to the NFL we knew his speed, size and talent. Even ignoring 2012, it doesn't take an entire year to figure out that Josh Gordon is kind of amazing. I'm curious, when defenses prepped for the Browns each week, who in the hell is it you think their main focus was? Chris Ogbannaya? Brian Hoyer?

I agree, you can expect some regression for Gordon, but also take into account he'll be playing an additional 2 games this year.

If we expect regression for Gordon, why not Thomas? He just posted 14 TD's, with a QB who had a record breaking year. Wouldn't it be a fair argument that Thomas is more likely to have a larger regression than Gordon? Worth mentioning, is that K.Shanahan is also responsible for 2013's target and reception leader, who now get's his hands on Gordon. One last final thought, while people like to insinuate that Thomas is safe, they're conveniently ignoring his first 2 seasons in the NFL. He was labeled injury prone, and was considered a very risky player. He has had 2 seasons back to back now, without a single game missed, so perhaps it was bad luck, but 2 healthy seasons, and 2 injury ridden seasons, is still a 50/50 toss up.

Having said all that...

I have Thomas ranked higher than Gordon. :ph34r:

Just wanted to make a fair point for the opposition.

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I like him as third overall behind Calvin Johnson and Josh Gordon. This assumes that there is SOME sort of upgrade for the Browns at QB, which is almost certain because at worst they'll end up with Brian Hoyer who was pretty ok last year until he got injured. Addressing why I think Josh Gordon would be a better pick up over D.Thomas: more talented than Demaryius in my opinion, an upgrade at RB on the Browns, opening up opportunities for Gordon, and an inevitable upgrade at QB, coming off a year where he was the highest scoring fantasy WR. Josh Gordon will be competing with, at BEST, 2 other targets in Jordan Cameron and <whoever else>. Demaryius has Sanders, Ball, Welker and Julius Thomas all as legitimate pass threats. Also, the Browns will never ever be in a position where they are blowing someone out and running the ball 3 times and punting. You may experience that multiple times in Denver, especially with the defensive moves they made.

Those are my reasons, and rejecting them is completely legitimate and I can see why you would.

Ill take manning and his ridiculous numbers over whoever the browns get. I like Gordon but expect a regression in his numbers. He won't be surprising anyone. I agree with a previous post that said Thomas is the safest WR. A physical freak like Gordon except one has the greatest regular season QB of all time looking his way early and often

Agreed. Gordon had an inhuman stretch of games at the end of the year last year and I don't see him taking the world by shock like he did this past season. I'd take Manning and Co. over Hoyer and Gordon any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Not to mention the suspension threat looming over his head.

Not fair, and I hate it when people do that. If you take away everyones inhuman plays, which is suggesting they're flukey, then a LOT of people in the NFL and sports in general who are good are s---y on paper. I watched Josh Gordon catch an 8 yard pass at a dead stop with his back turned to the corner, turn around and make one move and burn the guy for another 85 yards last season. It isn't fair to take that away from people. He is a monster if he stays out of trouble off the field.

So your basis for why Gordon is better than Thomas is because he's inhumane? That's definitely not a solid argument point. He's also not inhumane. Megatron and AD are inhumane. Gordon like I said took the NFL by storm and this is coming from a Cleveland fan. Fantasy wise though, it doesn't get much better being a talented WR catching passes from Manning.

What? No. My point is that he is what he is. "Inhuman" was his word, which is why I incorporated it in my post. I was arguing about the guy above me trying to make an analysis about the player and taking away his greatest moments. That's an absurd way of looking at things, particularly when he did them under such unfavorable circumstances. My basis for why I'd rather have him is listed in my first post, not my rebuttal to my quoted reference.

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If you're looking to compare Thomas to Gordon, or Gordon to anyone for that matter, you need to think about what it would have been like in reverse. DT playing for the browns v Gordon playing w/ Peyton. To be honest, I don't think Thomas would have been able to do what Gordon did last year in similar circumstances. I don't think anyone but Megatron could have.

I personally think that they are comparable. If Gordon posts similar numbers this year then I will be a full believer that he is better than Thomas. But I think GMs would also be split. And I'm not one to dwell on his off field issues but when you incorporate that it's a done deal I take DT. Some guys will take Gordon over him but that's not me

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Agreed. Gordon had an inhuman stretch of games at the end of the year last year and I don't see him taking the world by shock like he did this past season. I'd take Manning and Co. over Hoyer and Gordon any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Not to mention the suspension threat looming over his head.

Were they really that inhuman?

Gordon's best games last year:

22

24

29

38

Thomas' best games last year:

20

23

28

28

So, either you have to convince me that 10 points in a single game, is the difference between human and inhuman (or fluke/non fluke)

or

You have to convince me that having the games back to back to back, is more fluky than Thomas having them at random intervals.

You're going to have an extremely hard time doing either.

To act as if Josh Gordon came from no where, is a very short sighted outlook. In 2012 we saw him make some amazing plays, coming in to the NFL we knew his speed, size and talent. Even ignoring 2012, it doesn't take an entire year to figure out that Josh Gordon is kind of amazing. I'm curious, when defenses prepped for the Browns each week, who in the hell is it you think their main focus was? Chris Ogbannaya? Brian Hoyer?

I agree, you can expect some regression for Gordon, but also take into account he'll be playing an additional 2 games this year.

If we expect regression for Gordon, why not Thomas? He just posted 14 TD's, with a QB who had a record breaking year. Wouldn't it be a fair argument that Thomas is more likely to have a larger regression than Gordon? Worth mentioning, is that K.Shanahan is also responsible for 2013's target and reception leader, who now get's his hands on Gordon. One last final thought, while people like to insinuate that Thomas is safe, they're conveniently ignoring his first 2 seasons in the NFL. He was labeled injury prone, and was considered a very risky player. He has had 2 seasons back to back now, without a single game missed, so perhaps it was bad luck, but 2 healthy seasons, and 2 injury ridden seasons, is still a 50/50 toss up.

Having said all that...

I have Thomas ranked higher than Gordon. :ph34r:

Just wanted to make a fair point for the opposition.

The stretch I was talking about was the back to back two hundred yard games. I personally think their skill set is similar, then like someone posted above me, it comes down to position and you can talk up Shanahan and Hoyer all you want I'm taking Manning and Co. I do however think Gordon is the better value imo. He's gonna go about a round later and your getting similar value. My hope is I can get both. A lot of guys in my league aren't risk takers like me. So Thomas in second and Gordon in the third.

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