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Seattle Seahawks 2014 Season Thread

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Pretty much the consensus #1 defense, but I'm curious how early everyone is willing to take them.

Key losses: Bryant and Clemons from the d-line.

Key gains: Percy Harvin on special teams.

Current FFC ADP of 90 (standard) / 94 (PPR).

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I'm a diehard Seahawks fan and think their D will still be tops in the league next year, but just don't see the value in drafting them in the 7th-8th round, when I can stream defenses or possibly land a top 5 defense in the last round of the draft(it happens every year).

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In my money league last year, here are the 9 other players drafted in the 10th round when the Seahawks got drafted.

Kenny Britt, Anquan Boldin, Rashard Mendehall, Golden Tate, Justin Blackmon, Antonio Gates, Chris Givens, Matthew Stafford, Greg Olsen.

I know you hit some gems and you hit some duds at this point, but I don't see how this round would've been "wasted" taking a safe option that you HAVE to start. Ok you can stream defenses, but you're also battling other players doing the exact same thing which means you either waste your wavier order getting a defense or you just hope there's a good matchup in free agents after Wednesday morning.

Streaming defenses is the popular thing to do but I don't see why people are attacked for taking defense first since you have to start them in most leagues.

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"Experts" seem to like Seattle as the #1 defense, but I'm not convinced with the losses of personnel and the fact that everyone is going to come out gunning for them that they can once again be the top defense. Look at the tough schedule and it pretty much makes the decision for me especially for where I would have to take them. They aren't taking anyone by surprise this year, and I bet they disappoint, so I choose to grab a sleeper defense like NO, GB or SD and or just stream which can be a pain if you have others trying to do the same thing.

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In my money league last year, here are the 9 other players drafted in the 10th round when the Seahawks got drafted.

Kenny Britt, Anquan Boldin, Rashard Mendehall, Golden Tate, Justin Blackmon, Antonio Gates, Chris Givens, Matthew Stafford, Greg Olsen.

I know you hit some gems and you hit some duds at this point, but I don't see how this round would've been "wasted" taking a safe option that you HAVE to start. Ok you can stream defenses, but you're also battling other players doing the exact same thing which means you either waste your wavier order getting a defense or you just hope there's a good matchup in free agents after Wednesday morning.

Streaming defenses is the popular thing to do but I don't see why people are attacked for taking defense first since you have to start them in most leagues.

In one of my leagues somebody took Seattle in the 6th round. You are right 10th round is doable, but are you willing to sacrifice depth or even another impact skill position starter?

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It all depends on whose available at the 7th or 8th round. However, if the key guys I'm targeting are gone I have no problem taking them in the 7th round. Especially since (for the time being) Percy Harvin is healthy and will be returning punts and kicks.

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I would absolutely love to play in leagues with those of you advocating taking a team defense anywhere before the next to last round. Unless you play in a 2 defense league, or in a 30-32 team league, why would you ever take a team D in the middle rounds?

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I would absolutely love to play in leagues with those of you advocating taking a team defense anywhere before the next to last round. Unless you play in a 2 defense league, or in a 30-32 team league, why would you ever take a team D in the middle rounds?

This should be obvious. Everyone fields a team defense. If you pick the best team defense, you have a competitive advantage over your opponents. Last season, for instance, the Seattle Seahawks DEF posted a VBD of 85. So compared to the guy who started the 10th, 11th, and 12th best DEFs, you scored approximately 5 more points per game than he did.

This is the same difference between you having LeSean McCoy as your RB1 and him having Fred Jackson.

So maybe hold off on the "I would love to play in leagues with you morons" stuff. Defensive performance is difficult to predict, yes, so the best course of action USUALLY is to ignore team defense until the end.

But if you think you've got a winner . . .

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I would absolutely love to play in leagues with those of you advocating taking a team defense anywhere before the next to last round. Unless you play in a 2 defense league, or in a 30-32 team league, why would you ever take a team D in the middle rounds?

This should be obvious. Everyone fields a team defense. If you pick the best team defense, you have a competitive advantage over your opponents. Last season, for instance, the Seattle Seahawks DEF posted a VBD of 85. So compared to the guy who started the 10th, 11th, and 12th best DEFs, you scored approximately 5 more points per game than he did.

This is the same difference between you having LeSean McCoy as your RB1 and him having Fred Jackson.

So maybe hold off on the "I would love to play in leagues with you morons" stuff. Defensive performance is difficult to predict, yes, so the best course of action USUALLY is to ignore team defense until the end.

But if you think you've got a winner . . .

This^. The same logic was applied to taking Jimmy graham in the end of the second round last year.

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Can't hate on people who take Seattle early, but there are a few defenses that I absolutely love that will be available beyond Round 10.

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This is the same difference between you having LeSean McCoy as your RB1 and him having Fred Jackson.

No, no it is not.

I stream defenses every year and during the season when I average how many points I get from my streamin' Def, I tend to score as a top 3 defense for the season-to-date rankings. Considering I take my defense in the second to last round, that is much better value than Seattle in the 8th round.

However, an argument can be made that it would be nice to grab Seattle and "set it and forget it." That is very valuable.

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I'm a diehard Seahawks fan and think their D will still be tops in the league next year, but just don't see the value in drafting them in the 7th-8th round, when I can stream defenses or possibly land a top 5 defense in the last round of the draft(it happens every year).

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Every year there's a Def/ST that steps up and does great, last year Carolina was undrafted in my 12 team league. Knowing that teams like that pop up every year, and that streaming can be very effective, just kills the value of reaching for a Seattle early.

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Sorry about above quote. I play in a league that you pay $5 for every FA pickup and trades. This really doesn't allow to stream defences each week looking for that diamond in the rough. You need to reach to try and get a " safe" pick even if it is early. How early would you all pick a defence now?

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Im playing in more and more leagues where a sizeable chunk of people are streaming defenses. This has made it harder to stream defenses.

Also I think it depends on waiver settings.

Streaming is a killer if you dont use inverse order of standings. And even if you do, if you are doing well and other people are streaming you are rarely going to land the best D's for that week

Im not going to go too early, but I am considering pulling the trigger between rounds 10-12 on one of the better defenses this year, as I think it will give me more of an advantage week to week on the waiver wire.

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Sorry about above quote. I play in a league that you pay $5 for every FA pickup and trades. This really doesn't allow to stream defences each week looking for that diamond in the rough. You need to reach to try and get a " safe" pick even if it is early. How early would you all pick a defence now?

That would change how I select a Def, but not when.

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Look, even Matthew Berry knows not to draft a defense until the last 2 rounds......

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This is the same difference between you having LeSean McCoy as your RB1 and him having Fred Jackson.

No, no it is not.

I stream defenses every year and during the season when I average how many points I get from my streamin' Def, I tend to score as a top 3 defense for the season-to-date rankings. Considering I take my defense in the second to last round, that is much better value than Seattle in the 8th round.

However, an argument can be made that it would be nice to grab Seattle and "set it and forget it." That is very valuable.

While that may work for you, I don't play in any leagues were defensive streamers (and I tend to be one) are allowed to pull that s#@%. As soon as some DEF establishes themselves as a top 10 option, they get picked up and kept for the rest of the season.

Besides that, it doesn't change my point. Last year, the difference between the Seahawks D and the Saints D was the difference between LeSean McCoy and Fred Jackson. You're kicking yourself in the rear if you ignore the advantage a top defense gives you (not to mention the roster space, waiver priority, and FAAB you burn streaming).

The question is at what price.

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Second to last round, unless Seabass is there, then I'll take Seabass and then Seattle in the last round.

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This is the same difference between you having LeSean McCoy as your RB1 and him having Fred Jackson.

No, no it is not.

I stream defenses every year and during the season when I average how many points I get from my streamin' Def, I tend to score as a top 3 defense for the season-to-date rankings. Considering I take my defense in the second to last round, that is much better value than Seattle in the 8th round.

However, an argument can be made that it would be nice to grab Seattle and "set it and forget it." That is very valuable.

While that may work for you, I don't play in any leagues were defensive streamers (and I tend to be one) are allowed to pull that s#@%. As soon as some DEF establishes themselves as a top 10 option, they get picked up and kept for the rest of the season.

Besides that, it doesn't change my point. Last year, the difference between the Seahawks D and the Saints D was the difference between LeSean McCoy and Fred Jackson. You're kicking yourself in the rear if you ignore the advantage a top defense gives you (not to mention the roster space, waiver priority, and FAAB you burn streaming).

The question is at what price.

I used the Jaguars defense a few times last year. Your league must be super duper ultra mega competitive to not allow that. (people crack me up when they say stuff like you insinuated).

I don't like the comparison between Fred Jackson and NO being compared to SEA and Shady because Fred was drafted as an RB4 that put up top 10 numbers. I understand what you are trying to do, i just disagree that it is as simple as a 5 point difference. Said differently, I would gladly try to land another RB1 in the 8th round while someone else is drafting Seattle's defense. I have a good track record of 8th-10th round pick turning out in my favor though. If I the trend was that I burned most of my 8th-10th round picks, then I would gladly take SEA instead.

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Bottom line, my opinion is that you should never ever take a team D in the 8th or even 10th round. You can throw all the stats and pint compairisons at me that you want, you will never change my mind. Predicting the top D year after year is a crap shoot at best. So go ahead, chase last years team D stats while others stock up on potential breakout candidates. To each their own.

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I've streamed defenses for the last 3 years and it rarely lets me down. Sure every so often I get a stinker but more often than not I have a top 5 highest scoring defense each week.

Defense is so different from year to year and almost impossible to predict. Yes, Seattle is a top of the line unit and most likely will be strong, but everyone has said that about the 49ers for years and they were just ehh.

Who in the pre-season predicted that KC would be the #1 fantasy scoring defense going into the year. You're a liar if you say that you did.

How bout the Saints...a complete laughing stock of a D in 2012 actually ended up being pretty solid last year.

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This is the same difference between you having LeSean McCoy as your RB1 and him having Fred Jackson.

No, no it is not.

I stream defenses every year and during the season when I average how many points I get from my streamin' Def, I tend to score as a top 3 defense for the season-to-date rankings. Considering I take my defense in the second to last round, that is much better value than Seattle in the 8th round.

However, an argument can be made that it would be nice to grab Seattle and "set it and forget it." That is very valuable.

While that may work for you, I don't play in any leagues were defensive streamers (and I tend to be one) are allowed to pull that s#@%. As soon as some DEF establishes themselves as a top 10 option, they get picked up and kept for the rest of the season.

Besides that, it doesn't change my point. Last year, the difference between the Seahawks D and the Saints D was the difference between LeSean McCoy and Fred Jackson. You're kicking yourself in the rear if you ignore the advantage a top defense gives you (not to mention the roster space, waiver priority, and FAAB you burn streaming).

The question is at what price.

I used the Jaguars defense a few times last year. Your league must be super duper ultra mega competitive to not allow that. (people crack me up when they say stuff like you insinuated).

I don't like the comparison between Fred Jackson and NO being compared to SEA and Shady because Fred was drafted as an RB4 that put up top 10 numbers. I understand what you are trying to do, i just disagree that it is as simple as a 5 point difference. Said differently, I would gladly try to land another RB1 in the 8th round while someone else is drafting Seattle's defense. I have a good track record of 8th-10th round pick turning out in my favor though. If I the trend was that I burned most of my 8th-10th round picks, then I would gladly take SEA instead.

If you got top-3 defensive production out of streaming teams like the Jags, then I have plenty more to insinuate about your league :)

Also, for the record, the 8th round thing is entirely your own creation.

Listen, have you every heard the joke where a man asks a woman if she would sleep with him for a million dollars? The woman says, "Possibly." So the man says, "Okay, would you sleep with me for ten dollars?" She slaps him and says, "What do you think I am, a whore?" And the man says, "Lady, we've already established that. Now we're just haggling over price."

That's what's happening here. No one will take Seattle in the first round. Everyone would take them in the 16th.

But how about the 15th? The 14th? The 13th? etc

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