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The part about DFS that is like Keno or Bingo is the multi-entry games and stacks. What skill is there in entering 20 to 80 stacked lineups in one tourney? Get your daubers ready! I'd like to hear the argument vs that on game of skill.

The guy who won the 100K a week ago had 80 $27 dollar entries and won a the JA Happ pitching line. Skillz...Grind...Lol.

So true. Going contrarian is almost pointless due to this. I did well this season in NBA DFS, and hadn't followed the NBA in years. I've followed baseball closely for awhile now, but I can't break through going up against maxdulary and his merry men's 500 line ups every night. Last night his line up #200 won a contest I was in. Buncha jokers.
That's insane. 200 lineups. Wow.

Single entry small games (20-30 or less) I will be sticking too. And an occasional single entry GPP.

Yeah. I've moved away from the bigger tournaments and do the $3/10K mini moonshots for the most part. When you set 6-7 lineups a night that money adds up on a losing streak, and everyone will have 'em in DFS. Last year I was trying to do one big game a night, and that didn't go too well. My one lineup stood no chance against the pros' 250.
Pros...err you mean dudes with huge bankrolls that play every stack combo imaginable.

But I would do the same thing if I built a large enough bankroll.

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Can you guys see the hypocrisy in all this?

"I like to play DFS, but I think there should be a limit on how many you can play, how many teams in each tourney, how much for entry fees, etc. And I can control how much I play, but you know some can't, so we need regulation. Like, regulation that sets it up just like I want it."

It's like saying "I smoke and drink, and the correct amount is 15 cigarettes and 5 beers per day. They should make it illegal for anyone to consume more than these amounts per day because it's what works for me! Any more than that and bad things could happen!"

I like to browse the web at work (obviously). However, in one of the last offices I worked, a guy was consistently spending his entire day on Facebook. The company implemented a new software screening process and made strict policies to prevent unintended personal internet use. Am I being a hypocrite for being pissed that the one jackass couldn't moderate his **** and ruined it for everyone?

Basically, my point is that I like DFS, but the people that want to drag it down are going to have a lot more ammo to do so if the DFS industry doesn't apply reasonably constraints to limit the potentially negative impacts of their product.

I blame your company for implementing a stupid policy. Was the Facebook user getting their work done ? If they were then who cares how much time they spend on Facebook. If they weren't then they should fired. All a policy like that is going to do is encourage good employees to bolt.

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Can you guys see the hypocrisy in all this?

"I like to play DFS, but I think there should be a limit on how many you can play, how many teams in each tourney, how much for entry fees, etc. And I can control how much I play, but you know some can't, so we need regulation. Like, regulation that sets it up just like I want it."

It's like saying "I smoke and drink, and the correct amount is 15 cigarettes and 5 beers per day. They should make it illegal for anyone to consume more than these amounts per day because it's what works for me! Any more than that and bad things could happen!"

I like to browse the web at work (obviously). However, in one of the last offices I worked, a guy was consistently spending his entire day on Facebook. The company implemented a new software screening process and made strict policies to prevent unintended personal internet use. Am I being a hypocrite for being pissed that the one jackass couldn't moderate his **** and ruined it for everyone?

Basically, my point is that I like DFS, but the people that want to drag it down are going to have a lot more ammo to do so if the DFS industry doesn't apply reasonably constraints to limit the potentially negative impacts of their product.

Your company implemented the exact type of restraints you're asking for.

The comparison would be you wanting Facebook to somehow limit how much its customers (office jackass) use its service. Business models that implement restrictions on how much its customers can consume is unrealistic and suicidal.

What you should be saying is the jackass should be regulating his own behavior, which those of us who want to live in a free society need to do. People need to stop blaming others for what is ultimately a decision made by themselves. Take responsibility for your own actions and stop saying "someone DO something!"

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This thread is silly.....at least what it has turned into is.

if you want to play, play. If you dont...then dont! But to sit here and argue that there should be regulations for individual players is ridiculous. And If you have a problem gambling....then you need to deal with it in your own way, not look for protection from big brother..

I dont like the fact that Lovesbases on Fanduel plays every single game that has a $10 or more entry fee each night. Its annoying and its pushing me away....but it is what it is.

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I find it extremely pointless to play ten person leagues when they take as much off the top as they do. It's robbery. Then like others are saying big leagues are full of stacked lineups. Dfs is pointless. It takes advantage of people who think they are going to win big when your better off buying a scratch off.

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I have stayed away from it mainly because it does seem more like an addictive gambling type of thing where the house almost always wins most likely. Secondly, anytime I'm bombarded with advertising for any product I usually stay away from it.

I used to listen to Fantasy Sports Radio on XM all the time, but I have 100% stopped listening to every show except Ray Flowers & Kyle Elfrink (sp?) because I can't stand all the DFS crap constantly being foisted on the listeners. Some whole shows almost feel like infomercials for DFS. I would be elated if it went away.

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I almost vomitted when ESPN's podcast dedicated an entire show to DFS (Draft Kings). They now have regular DFS segments and I can't make it through a whole episode anymore. CBS is no better, as they are constantly advertising for Fanduel and talking DFS strategy.

Is there a podcast out there that doesn't waste time with DFS?

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Yes sleeper and bust podcast by Fangraphs. Paul sporer and eno sarris are good even if Paul seems like a tool at times.

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The only thing that should be illegal is Ganondorf getting 75 cracks at his $100,000 and I get six

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It's great and should absolutely be legal. If you've lost a bunch of money doing it, maybe it's a sign that you're an idiot and shouldn't play. Don't ruin it for the others who do play and have won money.

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It's great and should absolutely be legal. If you've lost a bunch of money doing it, maybe it's a sign that you're an idiot and shouldn't play. Don't ruin it for the others who do play and have won money.

Are people saying it should be banned or just regulated? I have a hard time buying that it shouldn't be treated like other forms of gambling (ie. sports betting, casinos, etc.).

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I almost vomitted when ESPN's podcast dedicated an entire show to DFS (Draft Kings). They now have regular DFS segments and I can't make it through a whole episode anymore. CBS is no better, as they are constantly advertising for Fanduel and talking DFS strategy.

Is there a podcast out there that doesn't waste time with DFS?

I thought it was brutal when they have this Derek Carty on there, talking about "The Bat" projection system.

I use "The Bat" and most nights when my friends and I are playing our razz game on monday our razz lineup outscores Carty's projected top plays. ESPN misleading as usual - people who sign up for this are thinking it's really going to help them. The truth is, there are better free projection systems out there if you look for them that are much more effective and won't cost $200-$300 for a season of use. We all know that Miguel Cabrera and Jose Abreu and the best power hitters in the game are top plays. The people who win at DFS consistently find the guys who score 25 for $2300 salary. "The Bat" for instance doesn't ever really point those guys out, ever. For all the things it lists taking into consideration.

It's like; never been more obvious that ESPN has just come to some partnership agreements with Draftkings or Fantasy Insiders, etc. and just said we are going to endorse this product without knowing if it's decent or not. Part of the reason I don't really watch ESPN anymore (I saw it at the gym on tv).

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the people complaining are the people who are frustrated are the fish on the DFS sites lol, but without the fish it becomes just like poker down the line.

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the people complaining are the people who are frustrated are the fish on the DFS sites lol, but without the fish it becomes just like poker down the line.

Nope. I do more than fine in DFS, but much like poker.... I see where this is going and I wish there was some way to avert it before it gets ruined.

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the people complaining are the people who are frustrated are the fish on the DFS sites lol, but without the fish it becomes just like poker down the line.

Nope. I do more than fine in DFS, but much like poker.... I see where this is going and I wish there was some way to avert it before it gets ruined.
If you're on this site you're likely not the fish.

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the people complaining are the people who are frustrated are the fish on the DFS sites lol, but without the fish it becomes just like poker down the line.

Nope. I do more than fine in DFS, but much like poker.... I see where this is going and I wish there was some way to avert it before it gets ruined.

The difference between poker and DFS at least in regards to it being deemed gambling and made illegal is a simple matter of will. Poker had the entire gaming industry against them. They put the screws to DC and made things happen legislatively. DFS has big money (NBA, NHL, MLB, NFL etc) on board as sponsors. Outside of anti-gambling zealots, there will not be a major push to ban it. DFS has already been to court I believe and deemed a skill game outside the realm of gambling. I received a 1099 for my DFS winnings this year and it goes under misc income. It is not considered gambling under the IRS laws and gambling losses can't be used to offset it. IRS is getting paid, big money is behind DFS. Where is the push to ban it going to come from???? Money trumps ideology in the US almost every time.

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It's undeniable that this topic is inextricably tied to politics, but we ask you to keep discussion strictly confined to the scope of DFS' place in the future of fantasy sports.

Furthermore, since this affects multiple fantasy sports, the thread will be moved to the Off-Topic section so dialogue isn't limited to fantasy baseball. We urge you to keep the conversation alive there.

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Im a newbie and was just wondering what keeps people that work for these companies to keep them from sharing info ? Are these sites regulated at all ? I'm gonna play regardless with money I'm willing to lose but I'm sure like most you don't wanna be betting with the house having to much advantage over you ! I know the more serious gambler loves people like me playing because I'm not gonna do all the research there doing . its just a game of chance to me and it makes watching baseball even more enjoyable. But what if someone that had access to info on the % players were getting picked and was passing it on to there buddies ?

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The only regulation I'd like to see is something to make sure they're keeping the deposits as actual deposits and not using them to pay the bills, to prevent the players from losing their deposits when/if these things go belly up.

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The only regulation I'd like to see is something to make sure they're keeping the deposits as actual deposits and not using them to pay the bills, to prevent the players from losing their deposits when/if these things go belly up.

Yeah, there are too many startup companies these days using new forms of tech to entice consumers to give them money, only to cut bait and close shop suddenly without warning.

One only needs to look to the events within the Bitcoin community to realize what can happen without any oversight on these companies holding people's money:

http://www.theguardian.com/money/us-money-blog/2014/feb/25/bitcoin-mt-gox-scandal-reputation-crime

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/another-bitcoin-exchange-shuts-little-warning/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/03/04/flexcoin-shuts-down/6019449/

http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/06/buttercoin-bitcoin-closing/

Now, certainly Bitcoin has different circumstances compared to DFS, but it will always be concerning when there is little consumer protection surrounding new forms of tech. Scammers are usually quick these days to take advantage of people unaware of how the new tech works, as we have seen from all the scammers on Kickstarter.

Despite legitimate successes with BitCoin, Kickstarter, and DFS, the first two have certainly had their fair share of scammers enter the ranks, and DFS seems poised to follow if there is little-to-no regulation.

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Anybody catch the spot on PBS yesterday? 91% off all dfs money won by 1.3% of the field. This bubble is bursting soon I think

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Anybody catch the spot on PBS yesterday? 91% off all dfs money won by 1.3% of the field. This bubble is bursting soon I think

This is because the top 1% pay a lot more in entry fees then the rest

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