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10 hours ago, joshua18 said:

 

Not a chance. His ego would have never let him take the paycuts that Brady has in order to allow the team around him to remain great for nearly 2 decades. It's the biggest difference between him and Brady.

 

Contracts ebb & flow, but fwiw >>> Brady was paid more $ than Manning from 2005-2010, the same period that saw the Colts win their SB

 

*And once you get past Brady's cheap rookie contract, they basically have averaged the same amount per year.

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Brady earns a lot of the money back in incentives. And incentives do impact the cap. If they are likely to be earned incentives they are factored into the current season's cap. If they are unlikely to be earned incentives and a player hits them then those are factored into the next season's cap. If a player doesn't hit a likely to be earned incentive then the team gets a credit the following season on their cap.

 

I don't know the specifics of Brady's incentives, but I would imagine his overall cap impact season-to-season is about the same as the rest of the top QB's out there.

 

https://russellstreetreport.com/salarycap/nfl-salary-cap-faqs/

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1 hour ago, psygolf said:

Contracts ebb & flow, but fwiw >>> Brady was paid more $ than Manning from 2005-2010, the same period that saw the Colts win their SB

 

*And once you get past Brady's cheap rookie contract, they basically have averaged the same amount per year.

 

Source?

 

Edit: looked it up and Manning earned 36 million more and played one less season. So you are wrong here.

 

 

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1 hour ago, devaster said:

Brady earns a lot of the money back in incentives. And incentives do impact the cap. If they are likely to be earned incentives they are factored into the current season's cap. If they are unlikely to be earned incentives and a player hits them then those are factored into the next season's cap. If a player doesn't hit a likely to be earned incentive then the team gets a credit the following season on their cap.

 

I don't know the specifics of Brady's incentives, but I would imagine his overall cap impact season-to-season is about the same as the rest of the top QB's out there.

 

https://russellstreetreport.com/salarycap/nfl-salary-cap-faqs/

 

Nah it definitely isn't. 

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/tom-brady-contract-discounts-patriots-bargain-2018-7

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46 minutes ago, dmb3684 said:

 

Source?

 

Edit: looked it up and Manning earned 36 million more and played one less season. So you are wrong here.

 

 

I said *AFTER Brady's rookie contract...which is fair to remove because of where Manning was drafted.

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51 minutes ago, dmb3684 said:

 

Source?

 

Edit: looked it up and Manning earned 36 million more and played one less season. So you are wrong here.

 

 

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13 hours ago, joshua18 said:

 

Not a chance. His ego would have never let him take the paycuts that Brady has in order to allow the team around him to remain great for nearly 2 decades. It's the biggest difference between him and Brady.

 

Peyton took numerous paycuts in order to surround himself with more talent. You can’t seriously sit here and tell me a player of his caliber didn’t deserve MUCH more than what he made yearly. And the fact that you said anything about him having an ego is absurd. Literally one of the most humble, generous and hard working people to ever play in the nfl. All this post says is that you’re a hater.

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Just now, cashvillesent said:

You realize Brady has never really taken a pay cut? Its paid in bonuses and other s---

He's been paid below his market value, and has never demanded/expected to be paid as the GOAT....unlike Brees, Rodgers.  Everyone can agree on this.

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5 minutes ago, cashvillesent said:

You realize Brady has never really taken a pay cut? Its paid in bonuses and other s---

 

He has been paid less than market value his entire career. You either don't know what you are talking about or are arguing semantics.

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10 minutes ago, psygolf said:

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Gotcha, wasn't considering rookie thing.

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1 hour ago, psygolf said:

He's been paid below his market value, and has never demanded/expected to be paid as the GOAT....unlike Brees, Rodgers.  Everyone can agree on this.

Yeah after looking over his earnings he is definitely paid well below market value, even with incentives.

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14 minutes ago, devaster said:

Yeah after looking over his earnings he is definitely paid well below market value, even with incentives.

It’d be interesting to see his endorsement $ vs Antonio’s rake.

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2 hours ago, dmb3684 said:

 

He has been paid less than market value his entire career. You either don't know what you are talking about or are arguing semantics.

 no, he gets bonuses and has a share in their medical center. Maybe you should look into it

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33 minutes ago, cashvillesent said:

 no, he gets bonuses and has a share in their medical center. Maybe you should look into it

What type of bonuses?

 

And...Is that share in the medical center a freebie, or did he invest his own money in it?

 

Please clear up what you threw out there.

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11 hours ago, cashvillesent said:

 no, he gets bonuses and has a share in their medical center. Maybe you should look into it

 

Umm, I live in Boston. You literally have no idea what you are talking about. 

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11 hours ago, psygolf said:

What type of bonuses?

 

And...Is that share in the medical center a freebie, or did he invest his own money in it?

 

Please clear up what you threw out there.

 

I think he means TB12 has a spot set up in Patriots Place, which is true, but is insignificant here.

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1 hour ago, dmb3684 said:

 

I think he means TB12 has a spot set up in Patriots Place, which is true, but is insignificant here.

The NFL & Players Association investigate these relationships to insure there is no nefarious compensation that skirts the cap.

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It’d be hilarious if GB could dupe Rodgers into accepting their worthless Packer stock they sell their fans.

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16 hours ago, psygolf said:

He's been paid below his market value, and has never demanded/expected to be paid as the GOAT....unlike Brees, Rodgers.  Everyone can agree on this.

 

Here is the problem I always have  with  the Brady making the ultimate sacrifice with below mkt value narrative. it's complete nonsense because it's not a sacrifice it's an invesment strategy for his brand which allows him to secure more lucrative off field revnue. The lower team friendly salary  helps secure his legacy not fan fueled bullshot nonsense that he is a TEAM FIRST guy.   It's a smart strategy and it only works for a player who is  QB.

Also his father was a successful business man and owned an insurance company so you know Brady doesnt approach any contract of business deal with the perspective that he is GIVING UP anything.  His approach is comprehensive and big picture.  What more do you expect from a guy from a wealthy family?

 

1. Brady never tested the FA market to get a premium deal

 

2. Brady restructures his contract nearly every other year to reduce his salary which hits the cap and the PATS give him large cash bonuses  as a result so what he effectively does is take cash out of his contracts every year and adds bonus incentives that he thinks he can easily make. 

 

3. Unlike other QB's Brady doesnt lock the team into long term contracts so a 4yr deal is really a series of restructured 1yr deals

 

4. He plays the long game knowing he will make more money outside of football with endorsements  as the starting  SB winning QB of the NE Patriots vs being a mercenary and playing on teams that don;t make it to the playoffs. Endorsement deals alone are a min $10mm yr

 

5. Name another QB who can get his wide an endorsement  with under armor deal worth over $25mm? Tom Brady on Miami not in the playoffs can't get that deal done for his wife

 

6 Brady UA  equity stake  in 2010 could have easily been worth over $100m depending on the number of shares and stock price.

Brady probably got his first  allotment  around $5 and the stock was as high as $50.  Tom brady as the highest paid NFL QB on the not in the playoffs Jets won't get a equity deal over 100M

 

7.Tom Brady highest paid QB on the never playoff making Browns doesnt get endoresements over his career from the following companies:

Aston Martin

Cadillac

Dunkin' Donuts

Electronic Arts/Madden NFL 18

The Gap

Glaceau Smartwater

Got Milk?/California Milk Processor Board

Hershey's

Intel

Movado watches

Nike

Purple Carrot/TB12 Performance Meals

Shields Healthcare Group

Simmons Bedding/Beautyrest mattresses

Sirius satellite radio

Stetson cologne

Tag Heuer watches

UGG Australia

Under Armour

Visa

Wheaties

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3 minutes ago, dashoe said:

 

Here is the problem I always have  with  the Brady making the ultimate sacrifice with below mkt value narrative. it's complete nonsense because it's not a sacrifice it's an invesment strategy for his brand which allows him to secure more lucrative off field revnue. The lower team friendly salary  helps secure his legacy not fan fueled bullshot nonsense that he is a TEAM FIRST guy.   It's a smart strategy and it only works for a player who is  QB.

 

1. Brady never tested the FA market to get a premium deal

 

2. Brady restructures his contract nearly every other year to reduce his salary which hits the cap and the PATS give him large cash bonuses  as a result so what he effectively does is take cash out of his contracts every year and adds bonus incentives that he thinks he can easily make. 

 

3. Unlike other QB's Brady doesnt lock the team into long term contracts so a 4yr deal is really a series of restructured 1yr deals

 

4. He plays the long game knowing he will make more money outside of football with endorsements  as the starting  SB winning QB of the NE Patriots vs being a mercenary and playing on teams that don;t make it to the playoffs. Endorsement deals alone are a min $10mm yr

 

5. Name another QB who can get his wide an endorsement  with under armor deal worth over $25mm? Tom Brady on Miami not in the playoffs can't get that deal done for his wife

 

6 Brady UA  equity stake  in 2010 could have easily been worth over $100m depending on the number of shares and stock price.

Brady probably got his first  allotment  around $5 and the stock was as high as $50.  Tom brady as the highest paid NFL QB on the not in the playoffs Jets won't get a equity deal over 100M

 

7.Tom Brady highest paid QB on the never playoff making Browns doesnt get endoresements over his career from the following companies:

Aston Martin

Cadillac

Dunkin' Donuts

Electronic Arts/Madden NFL 18

The Gap

Glaceau Smartwater

Got Milk?/California Milk Processor Board

Hershey's

Intel

Movado watches

Nike

Purple Carrot/TB12 Performance Meals

Shields Healthcare Group

Simmons Bedding/Beautyrest mattresses

Sirius satellite radio

Stetson cologne

Tag Heuer watches

UGG Australia

Under Armour

Visa

Wheaties

Not sure what the point is here...that Rodgers & Brees do not have the same long game to see the full $ field as Brady-?

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18 minutes ago, psygolf said:

Not sure what the point is here...that Rodgers & Brees do not have the same long game to see the full $ field as Brady-?

 

 Nope, I don't think they do.  i'm a big believer in  parental influence  and traumas as they affect a person's life choices. Brees was almost done in by career ending injury and his business acumne is suspect given he was recently scammed out of $9mm on a jewelry deal.His father was an injury trial lawyer which says a lot about his potential mindset when it comes to his long term view and contracts.

Rodgers dad was a chiropractor and he has well documented terrible family relationships.

 

Brady came from a father who was a wealthy entrepreneur and owned a successful insurance company.  

 

Did Rodgers or Brees take an equity stake as an endorsement  fee instead of cash in 2010 which was unheard of for an active athlete to do?

Did rodgers and brees start their own a sports therapy company and has their team contract with that company as a client? Does any other player do that type of deal structure?

Did rodgers or brees get their wife/gf an endorsement deal valued over $25mm?

 

I give Tom Brady a lot of respect for his business acumen because he thinks outside of the box in terms of how he will make his money.  He is acutely aware of the inherent value of his position

Foootball is the vehicle he uses to pursue other business interest and create multiple revenue streams.

He knows as long as he is the SB winning starting QB for the pats his brand, legacy  and non NFL opportunities will grow

So he didnt SACRIFICE income for the good of the team, he INVESTED to build his brand and off field revenues.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, dashoe said:

 

Here is the problem I always have  with  the Brady making the ultimate sacrifice with below mkt value narrative. it's complete nonsense because it's not a sacrifice it's an invesment strategy for his brand which allows him to secure more lucrative off field revnue. The lower team friendly salary  helps secure his legacy not fan fueled bullshot nonsense that he is a TEAM FIRST guy.   It's a smart strategy and it only works for a player who is  QB.

Also his father was a successful business man and owned an insurance company so you know Brady doesnt approach any contract of business deal with the perspective that he is GIVING UP anything.  His approach is comprehensive and big picture.  What more do you expect from a guy from a wealthy family?

 

1. Brady never tested the FA market to get a premium deal

 

2. Brady restructures his contract nearly every other year to reduce his salary which hits the cap and the PATS give him large cash bonuses  as a result so what he effectively does is take cash out of his contracts every year and adds bonus incentives that he thinks he can easily make. 

 

3. Unlike other QB's Brady doesnt lock the team into long term contracts so a 4yr deal is really a series of restructured 1yr deals

 

4. He plays the long game knowing he will make more money outside of football with endorsements  as the starting  SB winning QB of the NE Patriots vs being a mercenary and playing on teams that don;t make it to the playoffs. Endorsement deals alone are a min $10mm yr

 

5. Name another QB who can get his wide an endorsement  with under armor deal worth over $25mm? Tom Brady on Miami not in the playoffs can't get that deal done for his wife

 

6 Brady UA  equity stake  in 2010 could have easily been worth over $100m depending on the number of shares and stock price.

Brady probably got his first  allotment  around $5 and the stock was as high as $50.  Tom brady as the highest paid NFL QB on the not in the playoffs Jets won't get a equity deal over 100M

 

7.Tom Brady highest paid QB on the never playoff making Browns doesnt get endoresements over his career from the following companies:

Aston Martin

Cadillac

Dunkin' Donuts

Electronic Arts/Madden NFL 18

The Gap

Glaceau Smartwater

Got Milk?/California Milk Processor Board

Hershey's

Intel

Movado watches

Nike

Purple Carrot/TB12 Performance Meals

Shields Healthcare Group

Simmons Bedding/Beautyrest mattresses

Sirius satellite radio

Stetson cologne

Tag Heuer watches

UGG Australia

Under Armour

Visa

Wheaties

 

You need to find a hobby dude. How can you hate someone so much that you have never met? Mind boggling to me.

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2 minutes ago, dashoe said:

 

 Nope, I don't think they do.  i'm a big believer in  parental influence  and traumas as they affect a person's life choices. Brees was almost done in by career ending injury and his business acumne is suspect given he was recently scammed out of $9mm on a jewelry deal.His father was an injury trial lawyer which says a lot about his potential mindset when it comes to his long term view and contracts.

Rodgers dad was a chiropractor and he has well documented terrible family relationships.

 

Brady came from a father who was a wealthy entrepreneur and owned a successful insurance company.  

 

Did Rodgers or Brees take an equity stake as an endorsement  fee instead of cash in 2010 which was unheard of for an active athlete to do?

Did rodgers and brees start their own a sports therapy company and has their team contract with that company as a client? Does any other player do that type of deal structure?

Did rodgers or brees get their wife/gf an endorsement deal valued over $25mm?

 

I give Tom Brady a lot of respect for his business acumen because he thinks outside of the box in terms of how he will make his money.  He is acutely aware of the inherent value of his position

Foootball is the vehicle he uses to pursue other business interest and create multiple revenue streams.

He knows as long as he is the SB winning starting QB for the pats his brand, legacy  and non NFL opportunities will grow

So he didnt SACRIFICE income for the good of the team, he INVESTED to build his brand and off field revenues.

 

 

 

This all sounds like a good thing. Smart dude. Like you are crapping on the guy for being a good businessman.

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