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11 minutes ago, Jericho said:

 

I think you missed the point of the post. It was more about responding to the other post who thought that Atlanta might bring him up this year, only to send him back down to avoid Super-2 next season. That's the part that I was addressing. I feel such a plan makes no sense, since  it would essentially force Acuna to spend nearly a year in AAA (July, August of this year plus April, May, June, and much of July next year) which flies directly in the face of what Atlanta has been doing with him to this point (28 games total in high A ball, 57 in double AA). Why "doom" him to 120+ games in AAA if you're going to have him speed though the other levels? 

 

Which brings me to address your point (and what it is with some of these threads in the prospect forum. Say anything even remotely perceived as negative and people seem to rush out of the woodwork to defend said prospect against the perceived possible thing that says they're not god?).  Let me say right off that Acuna is a hell of a prospect. But it seems obvious that Atlanta is rushing him.  In his first 3 weeks in AA he hit .415 with several homers and 12 stolen bases.  He only played about another 5 weeks total at the level, and he ended up hitting .326. and his stolen base total was "only" 19. So yeah, he cooled off. How else did his average drop almost .100 points from the beginning of June? I mean, it's not like he was bad. But it's also hard to get much of a read on a player when he hasn't even faced  some of the teams in the league. We've seen countless examples of players that were great for a bit, before the league adjusted to them (Thames this year, Story from last year).  It's not like Acuna is a perfect prospect, in his stays at AA and A+ ball, he hasn't been very patient or selective.  So he could stand to work on things.

 

So either Atlanta is going to push him aggressively to the Majors (which is what they seem to be doing) or they should leave him at a level long enough so that pitchers can learn him and they can make adjustments. And then Acuna can make adjustments at the plate.  If the plan was really was really to sit him in AAA for a year, it makes no sense to essentially bypass A+ ball and AA so quickly.  Let the kid learn. Which, again, was the main point of my post.  I don't think Atlanta is doing that. Atlanta likely hoping he gets up this season. And if he does, he'll probably stay for good unless he falls flat on his face.  And that's up to Acuna, who seems pretty special.

 

 

 

Seems to me that their thinking they have a shot at the playoffs this season and their hoping to have Acuna up for depth. Knowing at some point Kemp will get hurt again. They have zero depth in the outfield and Acuna could play anywhere. Good write-up though and it did explain your previous post that I questioned. 

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Great write up indeed @Jericho

 

Anyway. Calling someone up for September just to send him down for Super 2 next year is not something that I think will happen in this situation. The Braves are borderline contenders this year and I'm sure plan to contend next year.  If you bring Acuna up and send him down, it extends the amount of time he needs to be sent down for in order to qualify for Super 2 (as I understand it).  So assuming he gets called up this year, if he gets sent back down the Braves are competitively disadvantaging their chances next year by waiting for Super 2 (also assuming Acuna would make their team better).

 

There's really no spot for him right now when the OF is healthy. Nobody likes Nick Markakis, but he's actually pretty good. Would be super interesting if the Braves traded him away though. 

 

 

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I would say just add acuna now in redraft leagues and in 2 weeks on August 1st drop him if the braves do not trade markakis as Ocuna at that point has no spot so will be an early favorite for 2018 drafts

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If they fancy themselves contenders they probably aren't trading Markakis. And If they're sellers and trade Markakis  they probably aren't calling up Acuna to waste service time on a nothing season.

 

They are probably playing things by ear. If Acuna continues to hit in AAA and if Atlanta stays in the race and they feel like he can help them make a  post-season run, that's a reason to call him up and start the clock. If he struggles in AAA or if they fall out of the race, not much sense in calling him up.

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2 hours ago, Jericho said:

 

I think you missed the point of the post. It was more about responding to the other post who thought that Atlanta might bring him up this year, only to send him back down to avoid Super-2 next season. That's the part that I was addressing. I feel such a plan makes no sense, since  it would essentially force Acuna to spend nearly a year in AAA (July, August of this year plus April, May, June, and much of July next year) which flies directly in the face of what Atlanta has been doing with him to this point (28 games total in high A ball, 57 in double AA). Why "doom" him to 120+ games in AAA if you're going to have him speed though the other levels? 

 

Which brings me to address your point (and what it is with some of these threads in the prospect forum. Say anything even remotely perceived as negative and people seem to rush out of the woodwork to defend said prospect against the perceived possible thing that says they're not god?).  Let me say right off that Acuna is a hell of a prospect. But it seems obvious that Atlanta is rushing him.  In his first 3 weeks in AA he hit .415 with several homers and 12 stolen bases.  He only played about another 5 weeks total at the level, and he ended up hitting .326. and his stolen base total was "only" 19. So yeah, he cooled off. How else did his average drop almost .100 points from the beginning of June? I mean, it's not like he was bad. But it's also hard to get much of a read on a player when he hasn't even faced  some of the teams in the league. We've seen countless examples of players that were great for a bit, before the league adjusted to them (Thames this year, Story from last year).  It's not like Acuna is a perfect prospect, in his stays at AA and A+ ball, he hasn't been very patient or selective.  So he could stand to work on things.

 

So either Atlanta is going to push him aggressively to the Majors (which is what they seem to be doing) or they should leave him at a level long enough so that pitchers can learn him and they can make adjustments. And then Acuna can make adjustments at the plate.  If the plan was really was really to sit him in AAA for a year, it makes no sense to essentially bypass A+ ball and AA so quickly.  Let the kid learn. Which, again, was the main point of my post.  I don't think Atlanta is doing that. Atlanta likely hoping he gets up this season. And if he does, he'll probably stay for good unless he falls flat on his face.  And that's up to Acuna, who seems pretty special.

 

 

You have the benefit at looking at stats, the Braves organization has the benefit of stats and scouts and coaches watching this kid every day. Whether he is ready to play in the majors is still a very open question. Whether he is capable of developing better at AAA vs AA is really a non-issue. The kid is a player. Perhaps they think Acuna  is simply ready for AAA based on their analysis. Not all decisions are made based purely on numbers. 

 

Acuna started the year at A ball and only  hit .287. They "rushed" him up to AA and he batted .326. Was that a mistake? They then rushed him up to AAA and he hit a HR in his first game. Maybe he will slump or maybe the kid can flat out play and they know it from what they've seen of the kid, day in and day out. There is really no clear harm to moving him up to AAA in my mind. Everything else we're discussing (about calling him up to the majors) is just speculation. 

 

As for your initial point, I agree. It would make no sense to rush him up only to send him back down to avoid super 2. 

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42 minutes ago, crotchcrickets said:

Just got scooped up in my league.  

 

I long for the days when prospects didn't get blown up over night.

 

I don't know man. If you're on this forum and you've heard of Acuna and you're in a league with dynasty/minors and he's on your waiver wire and you haven't picked him up yet, you got only yourself to blame.

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1 minute ago, 12to6 said:

 

I don't know man. If you're on this forum and you've heard of Acuna and you're in a league with dynasty/minors and he's on your waiver wire and you haven't picked him up yet, you got only yourself to blame.

It really depends on your league.  If you do keep a ton of players and/or have a minors system like you mentioned, then there's really no excuse.

 

Now, using my keeper league on Yahoo as an example, I would love to pick up Acuna, but it's really not possible.  We only keep 9 players and only have 2 bench spots.  I'm in first place, so I can't just put a prospect in there and sit and wait.  I already am using my 2 bench spots waiting on Hoskins and Albies.  Once one or both of them gets called up, then I can pick up more since I'll be cutting people to make room in my lineup for Hoskins and/or Albies anyways.

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Just now, KilloWertz said:

It really depends on your league.  If you do keep a ton of players and/or have a minors system like you mentioned, then there's really no excuse.

 

Now, using my keeper league on Yahoo as an example, I would love to pick up Acuna, but it's really not possible.  We only keep 9 players and only have 2 bench spots.  I'm in first place, so I can't just put a prospect in there and sit and wait.  I already am using my 2 bench spots waiting on Hoskins and Albies.  Once one or both of them gets called up, then I can pick up more since I'll be cutting people to make room in my lineup for Hoskins and/or Albies anyways.

 

I just think at this point if you're in any sort of keeper league, there is simply no excuse to let him sit on the waiver wire. Make room to have this guy on your roster. Maybe he won't pan out; maybe he will, but what you know right now is that you 100% have to have him in a keeper/dynasty.

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10 minutes ago, 12to6 said:

 

I don't know man. If you're on this forum and you've heard of Acuna and you're in a league with dynasty/minors and he's on your waiver wire and you haven't picked him up yet, you got only yourself to blame.

Im already holding Rosario, because in theory hes a sure lock to be called up this year (i also acquired him via trade so it's kinda principle).  I simply don't have the bench room for Acuna.  

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5 minutes ago, crotchcrickets said:

Im already holding Rosario, because in theory hes a sure lock to be called up this year (i also acquired him via trade so it's kinda principle).  I simply don't have the bench room for Acuna.  

 

Any sensible man would've bet that Rosario would have been up months ago.

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11 minutes ago, 12to6 said:

 

I just think at this point if you're in any sort of keeper league, there is simply no excuse to let him sit on the waiver wire. Make room to have this guy on your roster. Maybe he won't pan out; maybe he will, but what you know right now is that you 100% have to have him in a keeper/dynasty.

I don't disagree in a lot of cases in regards to a keeper league.  Maybe he ends up being even better than either Hoskins or Albies, but those two have an even higher chance of being called up soon and are obviously high end prospects too.  Like I said, in my case with being in first place and only with 2 bench spots, I can't pick up Acuna.

 

Once again, I agree with you otherwise.  If you have the room on your bench in a keeper league, you need to pick up big prospects like Acuna.  It's hard to be able to stash everyone though in some leagues. 

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11 minutes ago, KilloWertz said:

I don't disagree in a lot of cases in regards to a keeper league.  Maybe he ends up being even better than either Hoskins or Albies, but those two have an even higher chance of being called up soon and are obviously high end prospects too.  Like I said, in my case with being in first place and only with 2 bench spots, I can't pick up Acuna.

 

Once again, I agree with you otherwise.  If you have the room on your bench in a keeper league, you need to pick up big prospects like Acuna.  It's hard to be able to stash everyone though in some leagues. 

 

I get it, for sure. What's your rationale on holding Albies though?

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2 minutes ago, 12to6 said:

 

I get it, for sure. What's your rationale on holding Albies though?

He's been consistently near the top of people's rankings (not counting the official ones like Baseball America and MLB.com).  I hadn't really been following things that closely, but I'm assuming there's a real chance Phillips gets traded since people are assuming Albies will get the call soon?  Obviously Acuna is the better all around player statistically so far, although Albies has a much better success rate at stealing bases.  He's eligible at a weaker position and may have better contribution in SB's (at least initially) because of his success rate.  At the end of it all though, a lot of it has to do with the assumption that Albies is the safer bet to get the call this season.

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Excited about Acuna in my dynasty league....traded Bryant plus a late draft pick for him, Robles, Maitan & Franco.

 

Hope he lives up to the hype! I do think the Braves are rushing him a bit. Would like to see him get reps at AAA and debut next year with the Braves.

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7 minutes ago, cltubbs said:

Excited about Acuna in my dynasty league....traded Bryant plus a late draft pick for him, Robles, Maitan & Franco.

 

Hope he lives up to the hype! I do think the Braves are rushing him a bit. Would like to see him get reps at AAA and debut next year with the Braves.

 

I would not have gone that far.

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20 minutes ago, rrrich46 said:

I hope that was Dez Bryant.

lol I'm hoping there were extenuating circumstances that were left out of the original post like maybe Bryant was a FA after this season or something. 

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34 minutes ago, osb_tensor said:

lol I'm hoping there were extenuating circumstances that were left out of the original post like maybe Bryant was a FA after this season or something. 

I certainly hope so! Lol

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21 minutes ago, rrrich46 said:

I certainly hope so! Lo

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I can take the criticism lol. Everyone has different views on prospects. I have a lot of other players too I didn't mention. Playing the long game... Acuna shows promise.
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Another homer for Acuna tonight. 1-4, 1k, going into the bottom of the ninth.

 

That makes it 2 hr in 5 games so far in AAA. The power is certainly the most pleasantly surprising part of his game.  The strikeout rate is the only thing that's a little concerning, but he's been cutting down on that at each level while the walk rate has been going up at each stop.  If he keeps that up, the sky's the limit.

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