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9 minutes ago, MJDrocks said:

I think he's solid player when he's on the field but he's injury prone and a trouble maker.  Someone I wouldn't want to invest a high pick on.

 

See I disagree he's injury prone too. He's had really one injury and a guy literally shattered his leg and they changed the rules of baseball because of it. That to me is not injury prone. 

 

And no one said ANYTHING about a high pick. He's gonig for nothing especially if he gets suspended 30 games. But I do think he's absolutely worth drafting and waiting in most leagues especially anything with more than 3 bench slots. 

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2 minutes ago, taobball said:

 

See I disagree he's injury prone too. He's had really one injury and a guy literally shattered his leg and they changed the rules of baseball because of it. That to me is not injury prone. 

Disagree with that. What prompted the rule change was Utley sliding into Tejada in the playoffs on National TV.

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5 minutes ago, Low and Away said:

Disagree with that. What prompted the rule change was Utley sliding into Tejada in the playoffs on National TV.

 

True, confusing the instances, but in essence it didn't help, nor does it make him injury prone to me. 

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1 hour ago, taobball said:

 

True, confusing the instances, but in essence it didn't help, nor does it make him injury prone to me. 

Really? The Kang injury was part of baseball without the National attention. Posey getting injured and the rule changing at the plate was the Giants lost a star player for the season which got the national attention again. Baseball is very PR conscious and depends on who it happens to and when it happens. Kang could have been cut in half, made Sports Center for a couple of days, and pretty much forgotten as it doesn't happen in the post season and he doesn't qualify as a star player.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Low and Away said:

Really? The Kang injury was part of baseball without the National attention. Posey getting injured and the rule changing at the plate was the Giants lost a star player for the season which got the national attention again. Baseball is very PR conscious and depends on who it happens to and when it happens. Kang could have been cut in half, made Sports Center for a couple of days, and pretty much forgotten as it doesn't happen in the post season and he doesn't qualify as a star player.

 

 

 

Do you realize how not important to my point this argument is?  I spoke in an inaccurate hyperbole. The actual reason for the changing for the rule does not matter. 

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1 minute ago, taobball said:

 

Do you realize how not important to my point this argument is? 

Do you realize that your point was basically wrong in why the rule was changed. Kang had very little to do with it.

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Just now, Low and Away said:

Do you realize that your point was basically wrong in why the rule was changed. Kang had very little to do with it.

 

Yes, I edited to reflect that above. The point was that he wasn't injury prone because of it though, I have no idea why you wanna harp on a small detail. 

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1 hour ago, Low and Away said:

Really? The Kang injury was part of baseball without the National attention. Posey getting injured and the rule changing at the plate was the Giants lost a star player for the season which got the national attention again. Baseball is very PR conscious and depends on who it happens to and when it happens. Kang could have been cut in half, made Sports Center for a couple of days, and pretty much forgotten as it doesn't happen in the post season and he doesn't qualify as a star player.

 

 

 

The Pirates lost a player for the season in a huge playoff race between the Cardinals in the middle of September, ended 2 games back and lost in the wild card game. It was a HUGE deal around Pittsburgh and from what I remember it was pretty heavily talked about for awhile nationally as well. Utley was just the icing on the cake because it was the second injury within a month on a ridiculous slide

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It may have been a huge deal around Pittsburg (and I won't deny that it was) but Pittsburg is not national media, it wasn't on national TV when it happened, Kang is not a star player in the sense that any Dodger, Giant, or even Met player is.

 

Sad to say it makes a difference. And MLB still doesn't enforce the rule as written. Take the Bautista slide. Two things saved him. 1) It was against Odor (who didn't get hurt) and 2) it was Texas/Tor. The intent to actually injury was apparent in watching the slide as Bautista was mad about being hit. People side with Bautista as he is a bigger name and also felt sorry for him after Odor scored a 1 punch TKO.

 

Take the same slide but it is Pedoria that gets hurt and in the playoffs. Still think Bautista gets off as lightly as he did?

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I don't think he's injury prone.  He is a functioning alcoholic though and likely one mistake away from getting cut.  The kind of power he provides is hard to find at his current adp.  Even if he sits for 30, he's not getting a zero.  You'll play a sub in his place.   All you're doing is burning a roster spot.  In some leagues that's a lot to ask but others it's not.  If he keeps the plug in the jug, he may even perform better.  

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Kang is essentially a $1-2 player now for auction purposes. Morally we can discuss how irresponsible 3rd DUI is but from an MLB standpoint he's probably not getting more than a 10 game suspension and worse case 20. If you are willing to absorb that replacement level then he's likely a $10+ value.

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Will it take a pardon from Trump to get him back in the states? "DUI is listed and a cause for rejection". Will he get special treatment? Then, what about MLB or Team suspension. As the Chaco Chicken stated, "10 games? 20 Games?" "30 games? - kidtwentytwo".

Stay tuned? Yes I am, got him for a couple bucks is a keeper league when he arrived.

Too early to tell?

Check this link.....

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/03/03/lawyers-working-to-resolve-visa-issues-for-kang-after-dui-sentencing/

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On 1/7/2017 at 0:49 AM, mysonx3 said:

Wouldn't that give him issues on his next one (which, if you get 4 you're an idiot)

But at three he's not an idiot? 

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5 minutes ago, phoenixbases said:

Why?  

I'm guessing on principle.. which is his right, but for baseball consideration only there can't be a good reason. Kang is extremely productive and better than any of their other options. 

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43 minutes ago, phoenixbases said:

Why?  

have you read what he did in Chicago last year?

 

you have to believe this needs to be looked at further and find if any of this is true

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1 minute ago, shakestreet said:

have you read what he did in Chicago last year?

 

you have to believe this needs to be looked at further and find if any of this is true

 

Ugh, let's not start this one up again. He hired an escort, everything past that is conjecture. No charges filed, no police action taken. Hold it against his character that he is a sleazy alcoholic (as I am sure many ballplayers are) but let's not make a mountain of a molehill.

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5 hours ago, twoseemer said:

Will it take a pardon from Trump to get him back in the states? "DUI is listed and a cause for rejection". Will he get special treatment? Then, what about MLB or Team suspension. As the Chaco Chicken stated, "10 games? 20 Games?" "30 games? - kidtwentytwo".

Stay tuned? Yes I am, got him for a couple bucks is a keeper league when he arrived.

Too early to tell?

Check this link.....

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/03/03/lawyers-working-to-resolve-visa-issues-for-kang-after-dui-sentencing/

 

I was wondering if that was going to be an issue.

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Excerpt from the article:

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Pirates President Frank Coonelly says the court was a first step.

“There are a number of issues that need to be resolved before Jung Ho can return to the United States,” said Coonelly.

The biggest is his visa, because under President Trump’s new tougher rules, DUI is cause for rejection, as well as deportation. But immigration lawyers KDKA spoke with believe Kang will probably get special treatment.

Kind of sad big time athletes may get special treatment but people struggling for mere survival and/or fleeing terrorists don't.

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Totally - at least this wasn't a Michael Floyd-like situation where the team knew he had multiple DUIs but still hired him.

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placed on restricted list.  Still hasn't even gotten his work visa yet.  May get suspended by MLB or the Pirates.  Lots of questions surrounding this guy

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Anyone know how formats such as Yahoo treat restricted players?

 

They're not DL-eligible are they?

 

anyone have slots on their teams designated for restricted players?

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