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Cleveland Browns Offseason Thread 2017

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1 hour ago, devaster said:

Brock didn't have a "very good" year. He showed some potential, but a lot more question marks. The Texans were dumb to sign him.

 

Welcome to Cleveland.

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3 hours ago, devaster said:

Brock didn't have a "very good" year. He showed some potential, but a lot more question marks. The Texans were dumb to sign him.

Yes he did. He was much better then Peyton Manning 2015.

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26 minutes ago, ChasinDatPaper said:

Yes he did. He was much better then Peyton Manning 2015.

 

He was better than the decayed rotting corpse of Peyton Manning that played in 2015.

 

PASSING STATS  
SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
1998 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.50 26 78 28 3 -- 71.2
1999 16 331 533 62.1 4,135 7.76 26 80 15 1 -- 90.7
2000 16 357 571 62.5 4,413 7.73 33 78 15 4 -- 94.7
2001 16 343 547 62.7 4,131 7.55 26 86 23 4 -- 84.1
2002 16 392 591 66.3 4,200 7.11 27 69 19 5 -- 88.8
2003 16 379 566 67.0 4,267 7.54 29 79 10 2 -- 99.0
2004 16 336 497 67.6 4,557 9.17 49 80 10 4 -- 121.1
2005 16 305 453 67.3 3,747 8.27 28 80 10 3 -- 104.1
2006 16 362 557 65.0 4,397 7.89 31 68 9 2 88.5 101.0
2007 16 337 515 65.4 4,040 7.85 31 73 14 6 76.5 98.0
2008 16 371 555 66.8 4,002 7.21 27 75 12 0 79.7 95.0
2009 16 393 571 68.8 4,500 7.88 33 80 16 1 83.3 99.9
2010 16 450 679 66.3 4,700 6.92 33 73 17 2 77.6 91.9
2012 16 400 583 68.6 4,659 7.99 37 71 11 2 82.1 105.8
2013 16 450 659 68.3 5,477 8.31 55 78 10 5 83.9 115.1
2014 16 395 597 66.2 4,727 7.92 39 86 15 2 74.8 101.5
2015 10 198 331 59.8 2,249 6.80 9 75 17 1 47.2 67.9
Career 266 6,125 9,380 65.3 71,940 7.67 539 86 251 47 -- 96.5

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What would this cost?  

#12 and #52?

 

Profootballtalk reports there's a "growing belief" in league circles the Browns could pursue Redskins franchise player Kirk Cousins.

Per a league source, Cousins' concern upon signing the franchise tag was that he could be traded, "specifically" to Cleveland. The Browns have the cap space, draft picks and need to pursue a deal. Were Cousins to be acquired without a long-term contract already in tow, the sides would have until July 15 to come to an agreement. Although he's tried to tamp down the speculation in recent days, Cousins appears bitterly unhappy in Washington.

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1 hour ago, ChasinDatPaper said:

Yes he did. He was much better then Peyton Manning 2015.

That isn't saying much considering Manning was old, beaten down, and injured. And after resting for half the season Manning came back and reclaimed his job for the playoff run. Brock wasn't helping them win a SB.

 

Brock had already reached his ceiling and fell back to mediocrity after a few starts.

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1 hour ago, jmausen said:

What would this cost?  

#12 and #52?

 

Profootballtalk reports there's a "growing belief" in league circles the Browns could pursue Redskins franchise player Kirk Cousins.

Per a league source, Cousins' concern upon signing the franchise tag was that he could be traded, "specifically" to Cleveland. The Browns have the cap space, draft picks and need to pursue a deal. Were Cousins to be acquired without a long-term contract already in tow, the sides would have until July 15 to come to an agreement. Although he's tried to tamp down the speculation in recent days, Cousins appears bitterly unhappy in Washington.

 

Yikes!  This would allow Cleveland to win more than one game this year, but it would just be a nightmare for Cousins.  He certainly wants to play for a contender when he finally gets his long-term deal, and being on a bad team with few weapons will definitely dent his value.

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1 hour ago, jmausen said:

What would this cost?  

#12 and #52?

 

Profootballtalk reports there's a "growing belief" in league circles the Browns could pursue Redskins franchise player Kirk Cousins.

Per a league source, Cousins' concern upon signing the franchise tag was that he could be traded, "specifically" to Cleveland. The Browns have the cap space, draft picks and need to pursue a deal. Were Cousins to be acquired without a long-term contract already in tow, the sides would have until July 15 to come to an agreement. Although he's tried to tamp down the speculation in recent days, Cousins appears bitterly unhappy in Washington.

Don't matter the cost. He won't play for them.

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Kessler should get the Nod but they should bring another solid QB. Chase Daniel maybe and draft one Mid round. Or Trade for AJ McCarron but dont give up a ransom. Garret needs to be the pick. Mike Williams the Second pick at 12 or move up to get him. Simple as that.  The Browns will win 6 games Or so next year by doing this.

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1 hour ago, eg4190 said:

 

Yikes!  This would allow Cleveland to win more than one game this year, but it would just be a nightmare for Cousins.  He certainly wants to play for a contender when he finally gets his long-term deal, and being on a bad team with few weapons will definitely dent his value.

No it wouldn't.

He wants to go the the worst team in the league, san francisco.

The Browns would pay him good money, never let him get touched behind that OL, and give him more weapons than he currently has in DC. Not to mention a defense that will likely come into it's own within the next few years given how they draft.

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You know the owner of the Browns is Jimmy Haslam. Brother of Governor Bill Haslam. The same Haslam family who are the most influential University of Tennessee alumni when it comes to athletics! Conincidence?

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in a perfect world kirk goes to cle and Josh gets reinstated and stays and they crush it together

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6 hours ago, ChasinDatPaper said:

Yes he did. He was much better then Peyton Manning 2015.

 

Not saying much, considering Peyton was the #34 ranked QB that year (only 32 QBs start in the league). 

 

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just puttin it out there but the browns let pryror go and added kenny britt(not going to win u games). . . they still have rights to Josh the Savior

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11 hours ago, dashoe said:

just puttin it out there but the browns let pryror go and added kenny britt(not going to win u games). . . they still have rights to Josh the Savior

 

Josh the savior blew their playoff run in 2014.

He can be elite, but he has the motivation of a pot-head.

Better off keeping the expectations low until proven otherwise.

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11 hours ago, joshua18 said:

 

Not saying much, considering Peyton was the #34 ranked QB that year (only 32 QBs start in the league). 

 

Any given week. Most years have more than 32 qbs start at least one game.

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Digging into last years draft picks to figure out depth.

One of the safeties they drafted last year broke his ankle......during the bye week.

Only in Cleveland.

 

Browns placed SS Derrick Kindred (ankle) on reserve/NFI, ending his season.
Kindred somehow suffered a broken ankle during the bye week. The fourth-round rookie played 122 of 125 defensive snaps the past two weeks. The Browns' expansion-level defense continues to take hits and is one to attack. Wed, Dec 7, 2016 01:47:00 PM

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Browns owners are dumb.  I hope the Rooney family sends them Christmas cards.  

"Thanks for the playoffs, again

-Merry X-mas dummy"

 

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora "continues to hear" that coach Hue Jackson and his staff is "all in" on Myles Garrett at No. 1, but the front office and owner Jimmy Haslam is leaning more toward Mitchell Trubisky.

The "owner badly wants a QB," according to La Canfora. Haslam was said to be the one who banged the table for Johnny Manziel a couple years back, and that obviously backfired terribly. Maybe Haslam should consider refraining from meddling in personnel decisions and try and let his staff turn around this franchise. However, it sounds like the front office is also in his corner on this one, wanting a potential franchise passer. Garrett is a legitimate game-changer, and the "football guys," as in the coaching staff, know it. EVP Sashi Brown spoke earlier this week and hinted the pick will either be Garrett or Trubisky.

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I really like Deshaun Watson. If he is a future franchise QB, or any of the QBs in this draft, you don't pass on QB and hope next year's class or is better. Miami is still suffering from passing on Matt Ryan.

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1 hour ago, devaster said:

I really like Deshaun Watson. If he is a future franchise QB, or any of the QBs in this draft, you don't pass on QB and hope next year's class or is better. Miami is still suffering from passing on Matt Ryan.

& Denver is happy knowing they can win a Super Bowl with their stud edge rusher and no QB.

 

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1 minute ago, CL3VELANDBR0WNS said:

& Denver is happy knowing they can win a Super Bowl with their stud edge rusher and no QB.

 

Denver's window has closed without a reliable starter. I like Siemian, but he needs to stay healthy.

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Just now, devaster said:

Denver's window has closed without a reliable starter. I like Siemian, but he needs to stay healthy.

If the Browns draft Myles Garrett (next generational pass rusher) with Osweiler/Kessler/some garbage at QB, they can win. Especially considering our talent around QB is much better than anything Denver has/had IMO.

I do agree that you don't pass on a franchise signal caller but there are none in this class. We are going to tank again this season & take a look at what's available in 2018. I wonder if the league will consider a lottery system in 2019.

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I agree with you that the Browns will be in a better position to win games, but not by much. The Browns need a lot of pieces all over both sides of the ball.

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3 hours ago, devaster said:

I agree with you that the Browns will be in a better position to win games, but not by much. The Browns need a lot of pieces all over both sides of the ball.

I think all they really need on offense is RT and of course QB.
Defense is a disaster outside of LB but they could even use one more of those. They have some pieces on the defensive line that have potential if they were playing alongside a dominant pass rusher, wonder if there is a dominant edge player at first overall......

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41 minutes ago, CL3VELANDBR0WNS said:

I think all they really need on offense is RT and of course QB.
Defense is a disaster outside of LB but they could even use one more of those. They have some pieces on the defensive line that have potential if they were playing alongside a dominant pass rusher, wonder if there is a dominant edge player at first overall......

 

Why take an elite pass rusher when you can repeat the mistake the Jets made 8 years ago by spending a top-5 pick on a QB with only 13 career college starts?

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9 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

Why take an elite pass rusher when you can repeat the mistake the Jets made 8 years ago by spending a top-5 pick on a QB with only 13 career college starts?

Hey at least they've been getting it right on the edge lately. Unfortunately, one of them was a fruitcake but the talent is there.

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