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2017 Middle Relievers Thread

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2 hours ago, FantasyFiend said:

Where would you guys rank Tyler Thornburg with the other elite holds guys? 

I think he's good...but my bold prediction for this year is that Cy Kelly will be the non-Kimbrel relief arm in Boston this year.

 

Lot to like with Thorn though.

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Can anyone help with giving a list on non closers who are elite in helping with ratios + K's?

 

Only 3 that I really see are Miller and Betances, and A. Reed.

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5 hours ago, smuz1 said:

Can anyone help with giving a list on non closers who are elite in helping with ratios + K's?

 

Only 3 that I really see are Miller and Betances, and A. Reed.

pedro strop 

hunter strickland

kyle barraclough

carter capps, if healthy and not closing

grant dayton (this guy rocks my socks.. i've drafted in all of my leagues that have already drafted)

will smith

nate jones

brett cecil

 

these two may not start the season in the majors, but i think they've got the "stuff"

josh smoker

james hoyt

 

joe jimenez for detroit has put up ridiculous numbers in the minors.. not sure how close he is, but i think he's worth mentioning also.

and yeah, @fawkes_mulder is spot on, kelly in the pen is dynamite. i expect really good things from him, and carson smith to come back at some point also this season.

 

there are a few others, but i guess it depends on what you consider elite ratios and k's.. 

 

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11 hours ago, smuz1 said:

Can anyone help with giving a list on non closers who are elite in helping with ratios + K's?

 

Only 3 that I really see are Miller and Betances, and A. Reed.

^i like the guys he named, added most of them at one point last year in SV+HD's league:

pedro strop 

hunter strickland

kyle barraclough***

carter capps*

nate Jones

will smith 

 

also keeping an eye on Carl Edwards for the Cubs, Strop has always been kinda shaky, Edwards came up last year and should get looks with Chapman gone and question marks with Wade. Vizcaino for the braves was lights out in 2015 and injured last year. I think he'll end up with being the closer this year. Braves also have a RP named Mauricio Cabrera or something like that. Throws gas and should get some looks too

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Anyone like Bruce Rondon as a post-hype sleeper? He was actually quite good toward the end of last season, and looked nasty in the WBC. If this is the year K-Rod finally jumps the shark—always a losing bet, I know—Rondon should be next in line (Joe Jimenez is the trendier pick, but he may not even make the team out of spring training.)

 

I also like Arodys Vizcaino for similar reasons. He's having a great spring and with only Jim Johnson in his way he should get another crack at closing if he stays healthy. I'm intrigued by Mauricio Cabrera, too, but he doesn't have the K rate you'd expect from a guy touching 103 m.p.h.

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Deep leaguers dont fall asleep on Brad Hand. He's a dude largely ignored by the fantasy crowd but he can help, especially in HLDs leagues.

 

 

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Someone mentioned earlier in the thread the Cards were possibly going to use Rosenthal similar to how Miller was used last year. I noticed he threw 3 innings today against the Astros minus Correa, Speinger and Bregman. He gave up 2 hits, a walk and struck out 5. 

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On 3/1/2017 at 9:03 PM, osb_tensor said:

pedro strop 

hunter strickland

kyle barraclough

carter capps, if healthy and not closing

grant dayton (this guy rocks my socks.. i've drafted in all of my leagues that have already drafted)

will smith

nate jones

brett cecil

 

these two may not start the season in the majors, but i think they've got the "stuff"

josh smoker

james hoyt

 

joe jimenez for detroit has put up ridiculous numbers in the minors.. not sure how close he is, but i think he's worth mentioning also.

and yeah, @fawkes_mulder is spot on, kelly in the pen is dynamite. i expect really good things from him, and carson smith to come back at some point also this season.

 

there are a few others, but i guess it depends on what you consider elite ratios and k's.. 

 

i asked about Grant dayton on the other page. what is his role this year? will he be the 8th inning guy?  im in a k/bb league and have jensen, wondering if dayton is his backup

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38 minutes ago, jfazz23 said:

i asked about Grant dayton on the other page. what is his role this year? will he be the 8th inning guy?  im in a k/bb league and have jensen, wondering if dayton is his backup

i think he's got to be the number 2.. if not him, then who else?

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On 2/19/2017 at 11:21 AM, Numark said:

 

So much wrong with this.  It is actually not what his employer chose to pay him, it is what an arbitrator decided in a flawed system that devalues relief pitchers heavily.  It's not like betances chose this employer, etc.  he can't quit or negotiate like a typical employee.  He can't enter the free market.  He has no control over the statistics that the arbitrator looks at.  

 

The better ananlogy is that you are in a job for an employer you didn't pick and can't leave, and you are one of the top performers in the world (let's not ignore this), but you are not allowed to to do the ONE job task that would get you a raise.  Oh and btw, the type of performer you are created an injury risk for you and you only, your employer exploits this, but won't give you your value knowing you can't enter the open market for years.

 

not worth adressing all the points, but the "this is America and be happy with what you employer pays you" is the exact crap mindset that has led to the huge issues employees face in America compared to the rest of the world.

 

Let us please not pretend that MLB players are typical employees in the American workforce, and let's please not pretend to that this man and his family is going to starve because he got $3M. If the Yankees refuse to give him $5M, forcing them to do so would be socialism. Especially when we are talking about this type of money, not minimum wage here.

 

By the he way, sorry for the late response.

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58 minutes ago, osb_tensor said:

i think he's got to be the number 2.. if not him, then who else?

 

I would think they signed Segio Romo to fill that role.

 

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Damn. Really love this dude - terrible news:

 

An MRI has confirmed that Will Smith has a sprain and strain in his left elbow.

The next step for the reliever hasn't been decided yet, but Tommy John surgery is certainly a distinct possibility. It would obviously mean the end of the season for Smith, who is under team control through 2019. It's certainly a big blow to a Giants bullpen that was counting on Smith to be a setup man.
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22 hours ago, jspeco9 said:

 

Let us please not pretend that MLB players are typical employees in the American workforce, and let's please not pretend to that this man and his family is going to starve because he got $3M. If the Yankees refuse to give him $5M, forcing them to do so would be socialism. Especially when we are talking about this type of money, not minimum wage here.

 

By the he way, sorry for the late response.

It wouldn't be socialism being that they agreed to go to arbitration where there was a chance they would be forced to pay him $5 million. If they really didn't want to pay him, they didn't have to tender him a contract at all. They did.

Contractual obligations =/= socialism

You can't apply open market principles to baseball. It's simply not an open market

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What inning is Chris Devenski slated to pitch this season or is he still kind of the long man?? I am in a holds league and he is damn enticing to add when you consider the sp/rp eligibility..

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someone to watch out for -- tony zych as soon as he gets fully healthy (biceps surgery). He's got big strikeout stuff and should get some run in the 7th or maybe even 8th in Seattle at some point this year.

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Derek Law is a nice dark horse imo.  Sub 1 whip, 2.13 era last year, though only 55 innings.  He is young, so hopefully the expand his usage this year. 

 

Should something happen to Mark M., I think he's a good dark horse for saves, especially since Strickland has struggled as a closer.

 

Obviously, the normal Giants benefits:  pitcher's park, good D, should be a winning team. 

 

One negative is he only struck out 8.18 per nine.  

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5 hours ago, chud12 said:

What inning is Chris Devenski slated to pitch this season or is he still kind of the long man?? I am in a holds league and he is damn enticing to add when you consider the sp/rp eligibility..

By his game logs, the first of his five holds came in late August, with four more in September. Not a stretch to suggest this reflects a developing trust on the part of Hinch as he watches the kid tear it up.

 

I'm reading that Houston likes (and is likely to need) his ability to come in early and go 3 innings. But it also looks like he's trending to leverage, and should see a lot of use in both roles.

 

90-100 inn., 90-110K, 2.65, 1.05, 15 hlds, some vulture W & S

 

Thrilled to have gotten him late in two holds leagues, one h2h and one K/9. Even without the holds he's better than an SP4. Where the SP/RP eligibility pays, I prefer him to any SP outside the top 50. And if he gives me a year of the kinda filth he brought down the stretch he's a dynasty piece fer sher. Just hope they never put him in the rotation.

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Anyone have an idea what inning Joe Blanton is slated to pitch in Washington?? The 7th??

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jaime schultz in tampa. big strikeout numbers in the minors.

 

1.84 ERA with 22Ks in 14.2 innings this spring. He's a little bit wild though, 10 walks.

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38 minutes ago, chud12 said:

Anyone have an idea what inning Joe Blanton is slated to pitch in Washington?? The 7th??

Believe me, when we get any clarity on anything relating to the Nationals' bullpen, the Closer Thread will go nuclear.

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Any thoughts on Dan Altavilla in Seattle?  I've never actually watched him pitch, but the stats from last year look nice.  He's expected to be the setup man in Seattle.  

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Can anyone provide insight on what Brad Hand's role could be this season, and how it could change when Capps is ready? Roster Resource has him as a set up man with Buchter.

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Does anyone like Mychal Givens? He's put up some nice stats the last 2 years. Last year he had 96 Ks in 74.2 IP. He's been getting crushed by lefties, but maybe his changeup could be a go to pitch against them this season. He only threw it 84 times, but got a lot of swings and misses on it (18% whiff rate).

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On 3/28/2017 at 8:18 PM, GamblorLA said:

Derek Law is a nice dark horse imo.  Sub 1 whip, 2.13 era last year, though only 55 innings.  He is young, so hopefully the expand his usage this year. 

 

Should something happen to Mark M., I think he's a good dark horse for saves, especially since Strickland has struggled as a closer.

 

Obviously, the normal Giants benefits:  pitcher's park, good D, should be a winning team. 

 

One negative is he only struck out 8.18 per nine.  

His K/9 in the minors were a lot higher....not sure we can rule out a solid K/9 for him just yet.

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