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9 hours ago, joshua18 said:

The 2014 Niners roster was still worse than the Chargers. And obviously for 2015-16 as well. There are a lot of QBs who haven't won much in the past 2-3 years besides Kaepernick....some like Rivers who are eating up much more of their team's cap.

 

2014 - Anquan Boldin, Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Frank Gore/Carlos Hyde, Steve Johnson, Vance McDonald? 

 

Kaep was replaced by Blaine Gabert because he was born to be a backup. 

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1 hour ago, boltup15 said:

 

2014 - Anquan Boldin, Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Frank Gore/Carlos Hyde, Steve Johnson, Vance McDonald? 

 

Kaep was replaced by Blaine Gabert because he was born to be a backup. 

I don't see not one pro-bowler on that list....(guys are over their prime, injury prone,too)

Kaep replaced Gabbert..so I guess you can say the same about Gabbert?

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1 minute ago, TX Babe Ruth said:

I don't see not one pro-bowler on that list....(guys are over their prime, injury prone,too)

Kaep replaced Gabbert..so I guess you can say the same about Gabbert?

 

You can say the same about Gabbert. The rest of the list is filled with pro-bowlers, Kaep just couldn't get them to that level but that's because of his style of play. He's more of a weapon in rushing and doesn't do much damage in the passing game. He has a cannon for an arm, but he's inaccurate and misses reads. He may be a weapon as a dual threat quarterback and could start for a team like the Jets or Broncos, but those teams know Kaep isn't ever going to win them a super bowl. 

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14 hours ago, pikerbkb said:

He's been inconsistent, put up mediocre stats and after Harbaugh bailed, he didn't win.

 

Um...  The whole team was trash after Harbaugh was gone.  Not sure how you place that entirely on Kaepernick.

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13 hours ago, TX Babe Ruth said:

Where were you during his rookie season, when he broke all rookie season records? Won offensive rookie of the league?

He has been a TOP 5 Fantasy QB for 4 out of 6 seasons.

You don't win NFL MVP or make a trip to the SB if you are not good.

List all QBs that wasn't that good but won NFL MVP? I won't mention the weapons around him since he was drafted #1 overall.

 

 

Here are his career stats.  I already admitted that he had some really good seasons including one ridiculous season that I consider an outlier.  He also has some pretty bad seasons.  I think he is an above average QB but is not great.  All I'm saying is that I don't put him up in that elite tier.  To me he's barely in the top 10.  I get the feeling that some think he's some elite QB that is one of the top 5 in the NFL, not in my opinion.

 

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
Career       93 92 51-40-1 1710 2928 58.4 21772 136 4.6 78 2.7 91 7.4 7.2 12.7 234.1 86.1   221 1701 6.37 6.12 7.0 12 12 94
2011* 22 CAR QB 1 16 16 6-10-0 310 517 60.0 4051 21 4.1 17 3.3 91 7.8 7.2 13.1 253.2 84.5 59.7 35 260 6.87 6.24 6.3 1 1 19
2012 23 CAR QB 1 16 16 7-9-0 280 485 57.7 3869 19 3.9 12 2.5 82 8.0 7.6 13.8 241.8 86.2 58.6 36 244 6.96 6.65 6.9 1 1 16
2013* 24 CAR QB 1 16 16 12-4-0 292 473 61.7 3379 24 5.1 13 2.7 79 7.1 6.9 11.6 211.2 88.8 67.6 43 336 5.90 5.69 8.3 4 4 16
2014 25 CAR QB 1 14 14 5-8-1 262 448 58.5 3127 18 4.0 12 2.7 51 7.0 6.6 11.9 223.4 82.1 58.8 38 300 5.82 5.45 7.8 3 2 12
2015*+ 26 CAR QB 1 16 16 15-1-0 296 495 59.8 3837 35 7.1 10 2.0 74 7.8 8.3 13.0 239.8 99.4 65.1 33 284 6.73 7.20 6.3 3 4 20
2016 27 CAR QB 1 15 14 6-8-0 270 510 52.9 3509 19 3.7 14 2.7 88 6.9 6.4 13.0 233.9 75.8 53.1 36 277 5.92 5.46 6.6     11

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4 hours ago, boltup15 said:

 

2014 - Anquan Boldin, Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Frank Gore/Carlos Hyde, Steve Johnson, Vance McDonald? 

 

Kaep was replaced by Blaine Gabert because he was born to be a backup. 

 

I would have taken the Chargers roster over the 49ers roster the last few years.  There were very few relevant players on the 49ers whereas the Chargers actually had some that were worth while.

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47 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Um...  The whole team was trash after Harbaugh was gone.  Not sure how you place that entirely on Kaepernick.

Probably a reach? But I firmly believe that a large part of his success was Harbaugh. 

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53 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Here are his career stats.  I already admitted that he had some really good seasons including one ridiculous season that I consider an outlier.  He also has some pretty bad seasons.  I think he is an above average QB but is not great.  All I'm saying is that I don't put him up in that elite tier.  To me he's barely in the top 10.  I get the feeling that some think he's some elite QB that is one of the top 5 in the NFL, not in my opinion.

 

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
Career       93 92 51-40-1 1710 2928 58.4 21772 136 4.6 78 2.7 91 7.4 7.2 12.7 234.1 86.1   221 1701 6.37 6.12 7.0 12 12 94
2011* 22 CAR QB 1 16 16 6-10-0 310 517 60.0 4051 21 4.1 17 3.3 91 7.8 7.2 13.1 253.2 84.5 59.7 35 260 6.87 6.24 6.3 1 1 19
2012 23 CAR QB 1 16 16 7-9-0 280 485 57.7 3869 19 3.9 12 2.5 82 8.0 7.6 13.8 241.8 86.2 58.6 36 244 6.96 6.65 6.9 1 1 16
2013* 24 CAR QB 1 16 16 12-4-0 292 473 61.7 3379 24 5.1 13 2.7 79 7.1 6.9 11.6 211.2 88.8 67.6 43 336 5.90 5.69 8.3 4 4 16
2014 25 CAR QB 1 14 14 5-8-1 262 448 58.5 3127 18 4.0 12 2.7 51 7.0 6.6 11.9 223.4 82.1 58.8 38 300 5.82 5.45 7.8 3 2 12
2015*+ 26 CAR QB 1 16 16 15-1-0 296 495 59.8 3837 35 7.1 10 2.0 74 7.8 8.3 13.0 239.8 99.4 65.1 33 284 6.73 7.20 6.3 3 4 20
2016 27 CAR QB 1 15 14 6-8-0 270 510 52.9 3509 19 3.7 14 2.7 88 6.9 6.4 13.0 233.9 75.8 53.1 36 277 5.92 5.46 6.6     11

In fantasy, he's top 5(except 4 two seasons), but in real life he is top 10-15..still not bad, but I go beyond the numbers.

I look at his weapons.

I look at his leadership skills.

Does Cam make the guys around him better? 

He was the NFL MVP.

3 Pro-bowl appearances.

He made an appearance to the SB in his 5th season.

 

Elite, Great, Good are all subjective adjectives in my humble opinion...

 

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6 minutes ago, TX Babe Ruth said:

In fantasy, he's top 5(except 4 two seasons), but in real life he is top 10-15..still not bad, but I go beyond the numbers.

I look at his weapons.

I look at his leadership skills.

Does Cam make the guys around him better? 

He was the NFL MVP.

3 Pro-bowl appearances.

He made an appearance to the SB in his 5th season.

 

Elite, Great, Good are all subjective adjectives in my humble opinion...

 

 

How about Terry Bradshaw?  He really wasn't that great of a QB statistically yet won 4 SBs and went to multiple Pro Bowls.

Guys like Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco, are they great?

 

Look, I get it, you like Cam.  I don't mind him but I just never get this feeling that he's amazing.  Every time I think he's at that top level he seems to have a down year.  I think it's his lack of consistency that keeps me away from him.  I don't know if that's because of him or his team.  This may be a great year to take him since last year was pretty bad though.

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26 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

How about Terry Bradshaw?  He really wasn't that great of a QB statistically yet won 4 SBs and went to multiple Pro Bowls.

Guys like Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco, are they great?

 

 

I would add Troy Aikman to this list. lol..I was born a Cowboys fan and I never thought Troy was great. It was the system that made him decent.

He always had me pulling out my hair because he wouldn't run/move out of the pocket.

 

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25 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

How about Terry Bradshaw?  He really wasn't that great of a QB statistically yet won 4 SBs and went to multiple Pro Bowls.

Guys like Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco, are they great?

 

Look, I get it, you like Cam.  I don't mind him but I just never get this feeling that he's amazing.  Every time I think he's at that top level he seems to have a down year.  I think it's his lack of consistency that keeps me away from him.  I don't know if that's because of him or his team.  This may be a great year to take him since last year was pretty bad though.

The comparisons to Dilfer/Bradshaw/Flacco are laughable.

 

Cam makes everyone on his offense better. 

 

People are so interested in diminishing how good he is, they get wrapped around the "passer stats" axle.

 

Maybe looking at it from contrarian perspective: 

What metric has he been average or failed at in 6 years as a QB?

 

Because in a sea of stats and a wiki page that really highlights some of the things you are either glossing over/misrepresenting, I am curious as to how you would actually fill that list out. 

 

"He's like the winning QBs that clearly sucked"

"He has a lack of consistency"

 

Look at real numbers, what is your standard for consistency? How important are passer-exclusive stats when we are talking about a QB who really has no comparison. 

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6 hours ago, petekrum said:

This isn't rocket science.  If you have talent and are viewed as a guy who can help the team win (Owens, Moss) teams will give you a chance, if you are just a guy and cause distractions  (Rice, Tebow, Kap) you dont.

 

Spot on! Bravo, this breaks it down in one crystal-clear sentence. 

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16 minutes ago, MillenWasmyFavorite said:

The comparisons to Dilfer/Bradshaw/Flacco are laughable.

 

Cam makes everyone on his offense better. 

 

People are so interested in diminishing how good he is, they get wrapped around the "passer stats" axle.

 

Maybe looking at it from contrarian perspective: 

What metric has he been average or failed at in 6 years as a QB?

 

Because in a sea of stats and a wiki page that really highlights some of the things you are either glossing over/misrepresenting, I am curious as to how you would actually fill that list out. 

 

"He's like the winning QBs that clearly sucked"

"He has a lack of consistency"

 

Look at real numbers, what is your standard for consistency? How important are passer-exclusive stats when we are talking about a QB who really has no comparison. 

 

I wasn't trying to compare him to those other QBs.  I was asked what other QBs that have gone to SBs, Pro Bowls or won MVPs that weren't all that great.

 

When I mentioned him not being consistent enough that was in reference to my opinion of him for fantasy football.  It's one of the reasons I never liked Eli, just not consistent enough.  Looking at Cam's career it almost seems like he goes every other year between a really good year and just ok year.

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25 minutes ago, MillenWasmyFavorite said:

People are so interested in diminishing how good he is, they get wrapped around the "passer stats" axle.

 

Maybe looking at it from contrarian perspective: 

What metric has he been average or failed at in 6 years as a QB?

 

Remarkably average in completion percentage, and not great in YPA (3 of his seasons fall into the top 100 since he joined the league, none in top 40 [among QBs with at least 100 attempts]). His MVP year he was elite in TD percentage, but he hasn't been great across the rest of his career.  His MVP year is his only appearance with above average interception percentage (as in lower than average, ie good).  

 

So when you ask what has he been average or failed at?  He's been average, with an outlier season, in his passing metrics.  His rushing makes him a better QB than your garden variety average passer. Someone saying he's not elite has numbers on their side outside of his MVP season.  Someone saying he is elite either has a VERY loose definition of elite, or focuses more on the upside he's shown and assuming 2015 is close to status quo and that 2016 is the outlier.  

 

Now, what he does he does well.  His YPA is very high for his completion percentage, so that suggests he's a pretty good deep passer.  While he wasn't nearly as efficient as his comparables (at least in stats) last year, he is a great rushing QB. But when I'm building a QB, those are added bonuses, not the core of the position.  So I don't value that nearly as much as others might. 

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

How about Terry Bradshaw?  He really wasn't that great of a QB statistically yet won 4 SBs and went to multiple Pro Bowls.

Guys like Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco, are they great?

 

Look, I get it, you like Cam.  I don't mind him but I just never get this feeling that he's amazing.  Every time I think he's at that top level he seems to have a down year.  I think it's his lack of consistency that keeps me away from him.  I don't know if that's because of him or his team.  This may be a great year to take him since last year was pretty bad though.

 

Bradshaw won league MVP, led the league in TD passes twice, and won 2 SB MVPs. Probably the most underrated QB in league history. 

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32 minutes ago, MillenWasmyFavorite said:

The comparisons to Dilfer/Bradshaw/Flacco are laughable.

 

Cam makes everyone on his offense better. 

 

People are so interested in diminishing how good he is, they get wrapped around the "passer stats" axle.

 

Maybe looking at it from contrarian perspective: 

What metric has he been average or failed at in 6 years as a QB?

 

Because in a sea of stats and a wiki page that really highlights some of the things you are either glossing over/misrepresenting, I am curious as to how you would actually fill that list out. 

 

"He's like the winning QBs that clearly sucked"

"He has a lack of consistency"

 

Look at real numbers, what is your standard for consistency? How important are passer-exclusive stats when we are talking about a QB who really has no comparison. 

 

Running QBs have incredibly short, real life football, shelf lives.

If Cam can't learn to stay in the pocket, he will consistently leave his fantasy teams Camshafted.  

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3 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

Bradshaw won league MVP, led the league in TD passes twice, and won 2 SB MVPs. Probably the most underrated QB in league history. 

 

He never lost a Super Bowl.  

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2 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

Bradshaw won league MVP, led the league in TD passes twice, and won 2 SB MVPs. Probably the most underrated QB in league history. 

 

Now that's a different debate altogether.  I think most people think he's overrated when they look at his stats and the amount of talent he was surrounded by.

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55 minutes ago, TX Babe Ruth said:

I would add Troy Aikman to this list. lol..I was born a Cowboys fan and I never thought Troy was great. It was the system that made him decent.

He always had me pulling out my hair because he wouldn't run/move out of the pocket.

 

You watched him, but you did not "see" him...no Aikman, no SB.

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14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Now that's a different debate altogether.  I think most people think he's overrated when they look at his stats and the amount of talent he was surrounded by.

Nobody considered Bradshaw overrated 35-40 years ago.

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27 minutes ago, psygolf said:

Nobody considered Bradshaw overrated 35-40 years ago.

 

Not true. Many were propping up the false narrative that he was inferior to Archie Manning and was only good because of his supporting cast. 

 

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1 hour ago, psygolf said:

Nobody considered Bradshaw overrated 35-40 years ago.

 

Couldn't tell ya, I wasn't alive then.

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3 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

I would have taken the Chargers roster over the 49ers roster the last few years.  There were very few relevant players on the 49ers whereas the Chargers actually had some that were worth while.

 

Because Rivers makes everyone look greater than they are. 

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Just now, boltup15 said:

 

Because Rivers makes everyone look greater than they are. 

 

Does he?  I don't watch him enough to argue it but I don't recall hearing that said all that often.  I know he's pretty good but is he that type of talent?  Did he really make Woodhead or Gates better?  I'm not sure honestly.

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Does he?  I don't watch him enough to argue it but I don't recall hearing that said all that often.  I know he's pretty good but is he that type of talent?  Did he really make Woodhead or Gates better?  I'm not sure honestly.

One of the best at throwing receivers open, throwing with touch, hitting receivers in stride with timing. Could argue he's right up there with Brady in this respect.

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